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Kveldulv wrote:

Tau_player001 wrote:(...)Mephiston not being IC (...)

From where is that coming from? As others have pointed out, that would make Mep a Tyranid Monstrous Creature, and I consider that a serious break from the game mechanism. Why should he be the only character to neither be an upgrade for a unit nor an IC?

Sammael. 4E Techmarines.

I like that they put Seth in so that people can choose to play Flesh Tearers, it adds another dimension to the book, but...

...it continues the daftness that you need an SC to play a specific chapter. What is so hard about having a list of Chapters together with their corresponding Chapter Tactics?

Kveldulv wrote:

Tau_player001 wrote:(...)Mephiston not being IC (...)

From where is that coming from? As others have pointed out, that would make Mep a Tyranid Monstrous Creature, and I consider that a serious break from the game mechanism. Why should he be the only character to neither be an upgrade for a unit nor an IC?

Many people who has seen the codex has stated it. Sanguinor and mephiston doesn't have the IC rule. Of course it's still a rumour, but many people had said it.

tokugawa wrote:So...

Nice example of a miniature that looks very good if the crap above his head/stuck to the backpack is left off.

I wouldn't mind swapping the head for a helmeted head either.

Those guard models look a lot better in that last picture than in the GW pictures.

lord_blackfang wrote:

Kveldulv wrote:

Tau_player001 wrote:(...)Mephiston not being IC (...)

From where is that coming from? As others have pointed out, that would make Mep a Tyranid Monstrous Creature, and I consider that a serious break from the game mechanism. Why should he be the only character to neither be an upgrade for a unit nor an IC?

Sammael. 4E Techmarines.

true... and simply having a single model unit not be an IC does NOT make them a monstrous creature. MCs have their own rules for terrain interaction, cover, shooting, and close combat.. none of which mephy has. he is simply a 1 man infantry unit. maybe he has particularly bad body odor after being stuck in the rubble for a week fighting the black rage?

Kveldulv wrote:

Tau_player001 wrote:(...)Mephiston not being IC (...)

From where is that coming from? As others have pointed out, that would make Mep a Tyranid Monstrous Creature, and I consider that a serious break from the game mechanism.

From people that have read the actual codex I guess. And he's not a Monstrous Creature obviously, he doesn't get 2d6 armour penetration or ability to fire twice for example.

Why should he be the only character to neither be an upgrade for a unit nor an IC?

Well, he's not the only character, Sanguinor gets the same treatment. Which is a pity, as I like the model and idea of Sanguinor, but his huge point cost combined with not being able to join a squad makes we wonder if he'll be worthwhile on the table.

lord_blackfang wrote:Sammael. 4E Techmarines.

Or more recently, Guardsman Marbo.

skrulnik wrote:Maybe it is cynical of me. But I think this may be the release GW uses to test the "Elite cost More" price model they have been using for Fantasy.

I fear that the Sanguinary Guard box will be $40+.

Sanguinary Guard will be 26 Euro (= $33) according to a post a few pages back.

Or more recently, Guardsman Marbo.

Or more recently, Space Wolves Iron Priest.

Therion wrote:

Or more recently, Guardsman Marbo.

Or more recently, Space Wolves Iron Priest.

Ah yeah, don't play Wolves. Guess you can also add Lone Wolves to the list. Oh, and the Doom of Malan'tai! Plenty of examples at least.

blood angel wrote:How are the Troop Choice assault troops looking points and options wise?

I don't remember seeing that in these 50 pages.

If I recall properly, Tactical squad is 90 points for 5 guys then 16 points for each additional marine. And I think you have to have a full 10 man squad to get the special weapon and heavy weapon.

Assault marines are 100 points for the first 5, then 18 for each additional. You can swap their jump packs for the ability to buy a transport at 35pts discount (fixed discount no matter how many guys in the squad)

And I didn't see anything about a landspeeder storm... and I specifically looked for it.

Go go advance orders!

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1491453&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

Hmm... seems like I forgot a whole lot of single, non-independent characters!

And yes I know that Mep wouldn't get the MC rules, it's just that the discussion on the "Zomg! New BA Are Teh Rapez"-thread over on Tactics revolved around whether one can deal with Mep or not, seing as he can reportedly disrespect the Nightbringer in a single turn of CC. Then people where saying that for all strategy purposes, that man is a TMC...

EDIT: Hooray for Advance Orders!!!!

Redemption wrote:Go go advance orders!

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1491453&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

Wait, but the Sanguinary Priest is NOT an advanced order. It is already available. How is it that I completely missed that mini being released?

the release date is now officially april 3rd for the codex. less than one month!

So is there no "normal" box set to convert your marines into non-DC Blood Angels

The pictures on the GW site are not clear enough to see if those items (like non-DC shoulder pads etc) are in the DC box. For some strange reason the larger pictures never appear for me at their site.

EDIT: never mind, I guess the left shouder pads can be used in combination with a "regular marine pad on the right.

Ouch, £20 for five man sets in plastic!

TBD wrote:So is there no "normal" box set to convert your marines into non-DC Blood Angels

The pictures on the GW site are not clear enough to see if those items (like non-DC shoulder pads etc) are in the DC box. For some strange reason the larger pictures never appear for me at their site.

I posted the large pics in this thread for your viewing pleasure.

I think GBF might owe someone a box of Devastators...

no, he's already weaseling out of the bet by saying it was never finalized.

The Watcher in the Dark wrote:I think GBF might owe someone a box of Devastators...

No! Those are completely different! The one on top is against a white background, and the one on bottom isn't! There is no plastic Baal! There's no new Blood Angels! GRRRR!!!


Joking aside, I'm liking the looks of a lot of these new Blood Angels. Seeing them up for advance order was a good way to start my morning. As for the Death Company not being able to represent regular Blood Angels: What do you think all the Blood Angels in those photos are made from? They just have a handful of Death Company markings on shoulder pads and the like. You can make a great Blood Angels tac squad from the Death Company box and a Tac squad box without much trouble.

Gargskull wrote:Ouch, £20 for five man sets in plastic!

And how is this different from similar sets we already have now?

These boxes, with their truckload of extra options, cost a whopping 1 more Euro than for example the current Assault Marine box

Scottywan82 wrote:Wait, but the Sanguinary Priest is NOT an advanced order. It is already available. How is it that I completely missed that mini being released?

It's not a new model or anything, it's from the old Honour Guard kit.

Brother SRM wrote:Joking aside, I'm liking the looks of a lot of these new Blood Angels. Seeing them up for advance order was a good way to start my morning. As for the Death Company not being able to represent regular Blood Angels: What do you think all the Blood Angels in those photos are made from? They just have a handful of Death Company markings on shoulder pads and the like. You can make a great Blood Angels tac squad from the Death Company box and a Tac squad box without much trouble.

Or, for the Angels Sanguine player, you can model the red half to have normal stuff while the black half sports the skull and bones.

TBD wrote:

skrulnik wrote:Maybe it is cynical of me. But I think this may be the release GW uses to test the "Elite cost More" price model they have been using for Fantasy.

I fear that the Sanguinary Guard box will be $40+.

Sanguinary Guard will be 26 Euro (= $33) according to a post a few pages back.

Having seen the Advance Orders, I am happy to be proven wrong.

Now my wallet will be lighter by quite a bit.

Booyah!! Released 2 days before my birthday, I think I know what I want ((Sanguinor or Astorath) or both)

Put my order in seconds ago! I wanted both the death company sprue and the sanguinary guard, but I only had enough dough for one. I picked the sanguinary guard. What would you guys have picked?

bhsman wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:Wait, but the Sanguinary Priest is NOT an advanced order. It is already available. How is it that I completely missed that mini being released?

It's not a new model or anything, it's from the old Honour Guard kit.

Wait, what? The old honor guard kit had a metal arm with a plastic assault marine body.

This one, right?



That is not the same figure at all.

No, the old BA Honour Guard set was extremely varied.

The Sanguinary Priest was all metal, with the exception of the Bolt Pistol arm. The Tech-Adept was a metal torso that attached to plastic Assault Marine legs, a metal axe and a plastic Bolt Pistol arm. The Plasma veteran is all plastic, except for a metal Plasma Gun. The Power Sword veteran is all plastic except for the sword arm and helmet, and the Standard Bearer is plastic except for a metal right arm and Standard piece.

It's a horrible kit that needs pinning everywhere.

That Sanginary Priest people are linking to is just the one from the direct-only Honour Guard set- the only difference is this one has the Apothecary's backpack, rather than a Jump Pack. I just double-checked the Sanguinary Priest I'm yet to paint and minus the Jump Pack it is exactly the same model.

Now that advance orders are out, its the worst part.... the waiting for it to get here!

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:Now that advance orders are out, its the worst part.... the waiting for it to get here!

Tell me about it, I have an Honour Guard to paint, but with all the news on Sanguinary Priests being separate units, and the appearance of a banner in the Sanguinary Guard I don't know what to do with them.

I also have an unpainted Predator Annihilator, but I'm considering converting it into a Baal Predator now...

Oh well, guess I can paint my Terminators and Vindicator

Can assault squads have meltaguns or the infernus pistol?