Hmm... I guess we *do* know what's coming up...

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**xedric**

Pariah Press wrote:Please: didn't we JUST have this argument? Stop it already.

AMEN!

Pariah Press wrote:Jes Goodwin is, IMO, the most important sculptor at GW. He designed the eldar and the modern-style (late 1st edition and later) space marines. He's one of the Crown Jewels of GW.

I was told that he did the latest version of Eldar and the wraithlord is IMO one of the best looking eldar units. And its his work right? Itll be really interesting to see what he does this time.

Now when GW does a remake of the figs and release a new codex, do they usually add/change/remove units? I havent been around long enough to have a feel for this. What I mean is, can we look forward to some new necron and DE units? I hope so. It feels like there arent that many different type of units in those armies but I might be wrong.

**Defiler**

xedric wrote:
Now when GW does a remake of the figs and release a new codex, do they usually add/change/remove units? I havent been around long enough to have a feel for this. What I mean is, can we look forward to some new necron and DE units? I hope so. It feels like there arent that many different type of units in those armies but I might be wrong.

Expect one or two new units (kits), a previously metal line now in plastic and possibly new metals of some of the characters.

Rumors have said that the whole line is being re-done, so you might see 7-9 new units in plastic/metal.

**thehod**

I think DD is trying to compete for the new Stelek position. (insert sarcasm emote)

DD, you may think your right concerning the DE but I got a news flash Walter Conkite, you arent.

DE will be coming to a game store near you (sometime between Spaceballs 2 and the 2nd coming of christ)

**Miggidy Mack**

Just like the Tau redux there should be some new units for both Necrons & Dark Eldar will get some new units. At least we can hop!

**JohnHwangDD**

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**Pariah Press**

H.B.M.C. wrote:All of which are wonderful red herrings used to pull your attention, Ghaz, Polonius, away from the fact that DD can't admit he's wrong about the DE book.

BYE

Oh, is THAT what all this is about. Trying to get Mr. Hwang to cry "uncle." :S

**H.B.M.C.**

You ask the impossible Mr. Press. The impossible.

BYE

**Archonate**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Polonius wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:@Polonius: SW getting SM updates "by default" doesn't count as SW getting updates - it counts as SM getting updates.

Well, you can say that, but Space Wolves were the only codex to get an updated with the Space Marine book aside from marines themselves. You can't simply wave away the fact that Space Wolves, and no other army, changed with the new Space Marine book.

They also gained new units that no other army gains (Ironclads and Redeemers).

Seriously, can you really claim that Wolves didn't get a pretty invovled update with the new Marine Book?

If you want to say that Wolves are the army with the oldest dedicated rules, then I'd agree with that. But in terms of actually constructive rules updates, I'd consider a tweak of seven units, plus three more additional units, to be a pretty healthy update.

To which, I say, "so what?". None of those changes were made with SW in mind.

My theory, based on the above exchange, is that DDs lack of ability to see eye to eye with us on this comes from a refusal to acknowledge that Space Wolves are, in fact, Space Marines... I don't know how to argue on that level.

**Frazzled**

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**Archonate**

Is closing a thread the same as locking it? Cause it's still open.

I really wasn't trying to be rude, simply stating that Mr. Hwang should remember that SWs are Space Marines. To whom would new Space Marine rules and models apply if not to SM chapters such as SWs? Not accurate to say they don't count.

Doesn't matter anyway. GW will do what they do. It would be nice to know what's coming up. I do agree with him that SWs could actually get their update before DE, cause that's the way GW is. Whether or not they should is the disagreement.

**inquisitor_bob**

I think the main issue between them is whether an implied reference by the Space Wolf Codex to a codex that has recently been updated twice, ala, the Space Marine Codex, would be considered a more recent upgrade than a codex that was reprinted by including White Dwarf corrections, in this case, the Dark Eldar Codex which occurred after the publication of the original Space Wolf codex.

I see it as a slippery slope for analysis.