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focusedfire wrote:Ratlins and Ogryn = Replace with cybernetically enhanced humans

Jebus, and people get on my case for wanting things to be cleaned up?

At least I don't try to flush the old, *good* Fluff down the toilet!

JohnHwangDD wrote:

focusedfire wrote:Ratlins and Ogryn = Replace with cybernetically enhanced humans

Jebus, and people get on my case for wanting things to be cleaned up?

At least I don't try to flush the old, *good* Fluff down the toilet!

I don't agree with you that often but on this I am behind you 100%

Ratlings aren't good fluff, they are an excuse for halflings in 40k. Ratlings need a good exterminatus to wipe the last visages of "silly" 40k from existence.

Ogryns can stay, they are plenty grimdark and awesome.

*double post*

@Shuma: Ever try to get rid of rats? Not easy.

I've never tried to bomb earth into nothingness with a fleet of fifteen mile long starships. I think that'd get 'em!

Necros wrote:Kuato is an inside source! Inside a guy's tummy anyway..

Um.... that's way awesome! What the heck is that from?

ShumaGorath wrote:Ratlings aren't good fluff, they are an excuse for halflings in 40k. Ratlings need a good exterminatus to wipe the last visages of "silly" 40k from existence.

Ogryns can stay, they are plenty grimdark and awesome.

I think the silliness is part of what makes 40k awesome. Too much grimdark gets ridiculous. It needs to be tempered with halfling snipers, among other things.


And what about plastic deathkorps? That was my reason for starting a guard army!

Noisy_Marine wrote:

Necros wrote:Kuato is an inside source! Inside a guy's tummy anyway..

Um.... that's way awesome! What the heck is that from?

[arnold]Maaaz![/arnold]

Ratlins and Ogryns don't fit with the supreme human fascist fluff. They'd fit better with the Tau.

focusedfire wrote:Ratlins and Ogryns don't fit with the supreme human fascist fluff. They'd fit better with the Tau.

I dunno about that. They're primitive races press-ganged by their "betters" to fight and die in wars they themselves understand nothing about. That's plenty fascist enough for me.

They're still human, so they fight as part of the Imperium.

Tau has non-human allies.

Hey, I love the ratlings. They're probably one of the best examples in the game of fluff, models, and rules painting a seamless picture of an aspect of a 40k army. I dont' see a problem with people fielding human snipers instead of halflings, but if there are planets full of tiny sneaky gits with good aim, even in the grim dark future those talents will be harnessed.

i love the ratlings too, old Stumper Muckstart from 2nd edition was the man!

Ratlings, Ogryns, are cool, and why would anyone want them out of the codex? leave them in and if you dont like them, then dont use them, its not that difficult. Variety is good in a codex, that way not all armies are the same.

If they bring back penal legions with exploding neck collars again, i am a happy man.

The catachan command squad and new sentinal with more weapons sound sweet, i am really looking forward to that.

also, how can anyone think this new release is going to be boring, for one we dont know what all will be in it, and if you are not excited by platis valks then you have become one jaded gamer!

JohnHwangDD wrote:They're still human, so they fight as part of the Imperium.

Tau has non-human allies.

They are mutants and need to be purged.

ShumaGorath wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:They're still human, so they fight as part of the Imperium.

Tau has non-human allies.

They are mutants and need to be purged.

xenos have to be exterminated. And mutants have to be used as cannonfodder vs xenos

1hadhq wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:They're still human, so they fight as part of the Imperium.

Tau has non-human allies.

They are mutants and need to be purged.

xenos have to be exterminated. And mutants have to be used as cannonfodder vs xenos

Heresy! *blam*

@Shuma: The Imperium distinguishes pretty clearly between humans, acceptable abhumans, and non-human mutants.

Ratlings, Ogryns, Beastmen, and Squats are all acceptable abhumans, so may continue in the Emperor's beneficent grace.

That's actually one of the things that makes the Imperial Church reasonably (very reasonably) interesting. It closely mirrors the highly dissembled traditions of many real faiths. Basically, if something is useful its acceptable, if not its heresy.

Also, Ratlings are silly. 40k is silly (need we go through the Primarch homoerotic allegory lesson?). Let it be.

BTW, no plastic Krieg.

Polonius wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:The special character editions in every codex they have been used in have been to expand upon what was previously possible. You could not do a bike space marine force before (kahn),

Unless you used the traits in the 4th edition codex, the old DA codex, or the White Scars Index Astartes list from 3rd edition.

Not to mention Codex Ultramarines for 2nd edition allowed an entirely bike-mounted army. The Space Marine army list in the 40K Compendium for 1st edition allowed the same thing (in its own way). In fact, it's been more-or-less possible to field an all-bike Space Marine army for as long as 40K has been around.

Noisy_Marine wrote:And what about plastic deathkorps? That was my reason for starting a guard army!

I highly, highly, highly, highly, highly, highly, doubt that ever coming into the mainstream. If the rumors of Greatcoats are true, then expect a whole new line of scary men. I'd think DKOK were too much of a moneyspinner for Forge World, at their extortionate prices, meaning that they wouldn't just hand them over to GW for Plastic Development.

~sA

Duncan_Idaho wrote:BTW, no plastic Krieg.

WTF is all this faggotry about "plastic krieg"?! KRIEG ARE PLASTIK MODELS TO BEGIN WITH. I'd be happy as gak with METAL kreig produced w/ a USD pricetag. It's never gonna happen...

Krieg are resin, not plastic. There is quite a difference between the two chemically(most people know this though).

Plastic Krieg would sell stupidly well; not the least because they model would not be shifted/squished/over-vaccumed, as can happen with Forgeworld models, and because they would be a lot sturdier. But, all signs point to no plastc Krieg-ish models for a while.

JohnHwangDD wrote:They're still human, so they fight as part of the Imperium.

Tau has non-human allies.

Tau have Human allies. More and more all the time.

The ratling and ogryn homeworlds are a bit far from the Tau empire, Segmentum Obscura. They'd need to be in the Ultima Segmentum to have a strong enough presence to be recruited enmasse by the Tau.

(off-topic)I guess its time to reverse engineer that Necron star drive that they found.

What I was suggesting on my Ratlings comment, was that It'd make for a good excuse to introduce new models. Use some of the beloved old themes because some of these oppressed groups were "suddenly" less reliable and had to be replaced with units that could be trusted a bit more. As long as these new units actually fit with and fulfill the needs of the IG.

focusedfire wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:They're still human, so they fight as part of the Imperium.

Tau has non-human allies.

Tau have Human allies. More and more all the time.

Allies?


Soon to be purified human "allies" I think.

@ff: There are lots of non-human aliens that could be used instead and more interestingly. The very presence of Tau-allied Hrud infiltrators and Donorian Clawed Fiends would do a lot to clarify the roles of Ratlings and Ogryns respectively, along with Tau vs Guard overall.

@DD, agreed. How about the option of the aforementioned units for puritan armies?

You are all heretics, and I will see the emperors mercy granted on every one of you for consorting with mutants.


Now where is my hat..