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Hulksmash wrote:All I've recently had confirmed for me is the plastic command squad, plastic storm troopers and a plastic valkyrie.

Any takers against the plastic Storms being the Possessed of the IG:
- cool-looking new plastic kit
- overcosted and underpowered Elite unit
- overshadowed and outclassed by cheaper, better, more capable Troops

Anyone?

He may be mad and prone to bouts of nonsensical posts, but I think John's on the money here. Every Codex has got one unit that gets a great new kit but awful rules (Possessed and Tank Busters being some of the best examples). The new Stormies could be it.

BYE

Death By Monkeys wrote:Reds8n - can you speak on the rumor of the elusive Greatcoat Guardsmen?

Sadly no.

AFAIK whilst there are plastic stormtroopers, I don't think they are coming out initially.

2 command squads from what I hear, both for the existing guard placcy models.

Stormtroopers, if what I heard is right, will be very popular.

Don't think me too rude or annoying here, I am foresworn to higher powers. But...... have you had a look at the thunderfire datafax in the latest WD

Wagner? Ride of the ..... Hopefully they sell it with an CD.

Well, after putting together my first FW Valk together I am a real sucker for the plastic version. It was not difficult, but you realize rather fast that it could have done better.

And I rally like that sizewise the SM-Codex is the bluprint for most future codizes.

Regarding trenchcoats with nice facemasks. Don´t hold your breath and start saving for the FW minis.

Whats the armor on the current Valkyrie?

If this goes with the planetfall rumors then they may have additional rules for flight mayhaps?

I wouldn´t deny the possibility of such rules.

reds8n wrote:

Stormtroopers, if what I heard is right, will be very popular.

Don't think me too rude or annoying here, I am foresworn to higher powers. But...... have you had a look at the thunderfire datafax in the latest WD

Stormtroopers are getting overwatch?

reds8n wrote: AFAIK whilst there are plastic stormtroopers, I don't think they are coming out initially.

2 command squads from what I hear, both for the existing guard placcy models.

Stormtroopers, if what I heard is right, will be very popular.

Don't think me too rude or annoying here, I am foresworn to higher powers. But...... have you had a look at the thunderfire datafax in the latest WD

Naughty boy

That's two separate rumours I thought Stormtroopers were going to be popular for another reason.

Well.... it is nearly xmas after all.

And yes, I think you are right. As usual.

BoxANT wrote:

Death By Monkeys wrote:They're gonna make Hardened Vets suck, too

"Hardened Veterans have learned the best way to survive combat is to run away screaming, therefore Hardened Veterans have Leadership of 5 and fallback 3d6"

lol, the "hardened" descriptor comes not from battle but from being able to face all of the name calling from new conscript platoons after they inevitably retreat from battle. each veterean is required to tatoo "stick and stones..." on his right arm! in fact, some consolidated regiments made exclusively of survivors from other destroyed regiments are known to accidently "sleep in" on the morning of battle...

i seriously hope they give the guard something nice that doesn't require me to paint another 100 models! they'd have to make IG somehow survivable to make me want to purchase a plastic valkryie. why should i make it easier for the enemy to slaughter me by bringing my lambs right up onto their altar!?!

warboss wrote:I seriously hope they give the guard something nice that doesn't require me to paint another 100 models! they'd have to make IG somehow survivable to make me want to purchase a plastic valkryie. why should i make it easier for the enemy to slaughter me by bringing my lambs right up onto their altar!?!

Well you could always slaughter them first.

H.B.M.C. wrote:He may be mad and prone to bouts of nonsensical posts, but I think John's on the money here. Every Codex has got one unit that gets a great new kit but awful rules (Possessed and Tank Busters being some of the best examples). The new Stormies could be it.

BYE

Personally, I'm betting on artillery or the redone ratlings.

Duncan_Idaho wrote:
Regarding trenchcoats with nice facemasks. Don´t hold your breath and start saving for the FW minis.

Bret men at arms and pig iron heads.

Though the price may be the same once you order the lasguns.

Or just order pig iron militia and voila instant trench guard.

Frazzled wrote:Or just order pig iron militia and voila instant trench guard.

I would never stoop to doing a guard army that involves less than 2 different plastic kits and parts from 2 manufactors to make one model.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Duncan_Idaho wrote:
Regarding trenchcoats with nice facemasks. Don´t hold your breath and start saving for the FW minis.

Bret men at arms and pig iron heads.

Though the price may be the same once you order the lasguns.

Once I made my first few test models with fully-converted, lasgun-wielding arms, I figured it wasn't worth it.

So I made my Kroot out of Krieg models instead.

stonefox wrote:Once I made my first few test models with fully-converted, lasgun-wielding arms, I figured it wasn't worth it.

Too true, man. I got excited after Dave Taylor came out with his Genswick Rifles and decided to try the conversions myself. After doing a couple I decided I had nowhere near the time to do a whole army like that.

And as far as the Pig Iron Militia for great coat guard go - the thought has crossed my mind, particularly with their new winter hat heads they've just released - if you haven't seen 'em, check 'em out at Pig Iron or Rattlehead's websites.

I am pretty stoked to hear confirmation on the Valks, though. Those are going to be so hot, though, I'm can see I'm going to have to pay cash for them rather than trade for 'em. And while I can see them being great for Stormtroopers, I am thinking along the lines of Catachans + Valks = much fun.

I can not wait for the new IG!!! Lordy, I hope they give us a Ork quality army to roll with. I love the IG, such a fun army to play.

Charlie dont surf!
Classic line!

Well, my fingers are crossed, and I sincerely hope that the Stormtroopers are not the new possessed, and for crying out loud, whatever knuckle head came up with those rules should never be allowed near a codex again. What was the guy thinking?

If I ruled GW, Phill Kelly would write every codex. But I don´t, alas.

I've been hearing all sorts of rumors about the new IG. I really like the idea of an assault 2 lasgun and LRBT's firing off all their guns at once (suddenly thinking of born to be wild, that'll be stuck in my head now) is awesome. But all I really want is doctrines to stay (I know, HMBC, but I can dream) and plastic Death Korps. Is that too much to ask? Oh yeah, and the complete removal of those filthy mutant ratlings!

If Lasguns are assault 2, shotguns aren't going to be so useful.

wait, since when have shotguns been usefull in 40k?

Yeah I was going to say.

Shotguns aren't useful now. It can't get much worse.

BYE

Hypothetically they could be useful because you could give them to a squad of vets and then blast your enemy 20 times and assault him.

That situation still involves the assault phase... I haven't had much luck with that to date but if it ever pays off I'll post!

captain.gordino wrote:Hypothetically they could be useful because you could give them to a squad of vets and then blast your enemy 20 times and assault him.

1. Vets drop with Meltaguns and kill vehicles. This is all the do. All the time. Always.
2. Once they're nerfed in the new Codex, no one will take them, so the presence or lack there of of shotguns will make little difference.

BYE

Ooo! H.B.M.Ced!!

I'm praying that it will be plastic Valkyries. Just bought about $600 of Elysian Drop Troops and don't want to fork out a ton of money for a resin one that from what most people have said is all jacked up and a pain to fix.

Same here and knowing GW the plastic variant might actually have some tasty extras that the FW won't have. As long as they come with fuel tanks and rocket pods I'm a happy camper.

Welcome, Salted, to the chaps playin Elysian Droppers. The FW Valk is not that bad, but definitely not for the unexperienced. But am also looking forward to the plastic ones, makes it cheaper to field a couple of them.

captain.gordino wrote:Hypothetically they could be useful because you could give them to a squad of vets and then blast your enemy 20 times and assault him.

I believe you have confused Storms with Eldar Dire Avengers. Storms are WS3 with bupkis on the "Alpha strike". Dire Avengers have Bladestorm, Defend, and Shimmershield, led by a WS5 Exarch with PW. *Big* difference, totally different units.