Logically, wouldn't most humanoids be screwed in melee combat vs. SMs/CSMs?

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**Orkeosaurus**

Kilkrazy wrote:SMs can be as superhuman as all getout but if their brains haven't been turned into something that isn't made of brains, they can still be smacked silly by a good whack to the head or helmet.

I don't know about their brains, but the membrane surrounding their brain, their skull, and the blood in their brain have all been significantly altered. This is going to change the way they react to head injuries quite a bit.

Eldar Own wrote:Also, if they wanted too, im sure the hive mind would be able to change his nids so that they can beat marines by making thier muscles etc. different so that a marine would be totaly out-witted out-strengthed etc.

While I'm not sure why Tyranids are being talked about, the Tyranids did use Space Marine DNA to create the Tyrant Guard.

Frazzled wrote:Their muscles still work on the concept of human muscle tissue. Alien tissue will, has to work on something completely alien.

There is a huge amount of variation in the strength of human muscle tissue. If my arm was a strong as my tongue I could probably throw someone through a wall.

Plus, it's just as possible that alien muscle tissue could never compare to human tissue, and in universally weaker. We just don't know anything until you actually look at how strong they're described in the fluff; where Space Marines are always significantly stronger than Eldar.

**Frazzled**

nah size is not a requirement. King Kong is a humanoid, but I thought I'd let that one slide.

How about your average lowly Landsraat trooper with Holzman shield and poisoned knife? Marine can't get through the field.

**Emperors Faithful**

I'm afraid you've lost me there, frazzled. What is a Landsraat or a Holzman shield?

**Frazzled**

Emperors Faithful wrote:I'm afraid you've lost me there, frazzled. What is a Landsraat or a Holzman shield?

Dune, soldier from one of the Houses. Your basic grunt-you know harkonnen dog, Atreides scum, the usual.

Holzman shield was the long name for their personal shields. invulnrabel to all but slow moving weaponry. Marines wouldn't know that. Bolters would be irrelevant.

I'd also nominate a Tanu or Firvulag warrior. Pallol One Eye vs. a marine chapter Master or Librarian. Nice!

**Lord Chiasson**

Lol so now were doing cross universe battles? This shall never end haha. Space Marines are beast end of story, any humanoid up against them CC one on one(and if there naked then Marine def going to win but both have to be naked lol) Marine FTW. And the Black Carapace I believe just acts as an interface to the Power Armor, I dont believe it provides any added protection.

**Eidolon**

I heard somewhere black carapace is slightly better then IG flak armor actually.

**Lord Chiasson**

I stand corrected on that then, But my other statements im sticking too

**Emperors Faithful**

If the bolters proved ineffective against the Landsraat, wouldn't the marine throw himself into CC and THEN pummel the thing into the ground?

As for other universes...Star Trekkies? Dead.
Star Wars? Dead. (except mabye Ewoks)

**Orkeosaurus**

Genestealers are probably on the threshold of humanoid. They're a little gribbly, but still sort of human. They've got four arms, but their heads are somewhat human.

(Also, we already have a thread going for Space Marines fighting soldiers from other universes!)

**Orkfantic**

If we are doing cross unniverse, then how about, one on one, no ranged, Jedi verus Marine?

**Orkeosaurus**

THIS IS NOT THAT THREAD!

THIS IS!

**Emperors Faithful**

A jedi is a humanoid, isn't s/he/it?

**Orkeosaurus**

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**Eidolon**

Emperors Faithful wrote:
Star Wars? Dead. (except mabye Ewoks)

I can see it now. Just like in that dawn of war 2 trailer. A big iron clad stomps out of a drop pod. "I HAVE COME TO PURGE IN HIS...two big logs fly down from trees and crumple the poor old marine.

**Emperors Faithful**

Or...can you imagine the effect a bolt round would have on an Ewok? *evil grin*

**children of filth**

nobody is listening to Orkeosaurus, are they?

**Emperors Faithful**

On a thread about sex and orks, we're supposed to listen to ORKeosuaurus?

**Frazzled**

Emperors Faithful wrote:If the bolters proved ineffective against the Landsraat, wouldn't the marine throw himself into CC and THEN pummel the thing into the ground?

As for other universes...Star Trekkies? Dead.
Star Wars? Dead. (except mabye Ewoks)

So so wrong. in the game of marines vs. star trek even the lowly redshirt would shine like a god.
Phaser/disruptor set to maximum disintegrates its target. Think a much more efficient gauss gun. Pzzap!

**Kilkrazy**

Emperors Faithful wrote:If the bolters proved ineffective against the Landsraat, wouldn't the marine throw himself into CC and THEN pummel the thing into the ground?

As for other universes...Star Trekkies? Dead.
Star Wars? Dead. (except mabye Ewoks)

In Dune, the shield technology is more effective the faster the incoming attack (missile/punch) is moving. It is necessary to infiltrate a blade inside the shield by a fairly slow movement, then push it home. Hence the reason why poisoned blades are so common.

**Frazzled**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:If the bolters proved ineffective against the Landsraat, wouldn't the marine throw himself into CC and THEN pummel the thing into the ground?

As for other universes...Star Trekkies? Dead.
Star Wars? Dead. (except mabye Ewoks)

In Dune, the shield technology is more effective the faster the incoming attack (missile/punch) is moving. It is necessary to infiltrate a blade inside the shield by a fairly slow movement, then push it home. Hence the reason why poisoned blades are so common.

Which always led to the question, wouldn't a guy with a holtzman shield and wearing kevlar full plate and a gas mask be pretty much invulnerable to attack (except to lasguns of course)? ALthough unkillable by marines, they'd get a nasty surprise from IG grunt #124546748241482418521 and his trusty Kantrael pattyern lasgun.

**Kilkrazy**

I think it has been discussed at some length, why train up a lot of soldiers when you could drop a bomb containing a shield and a laser on the enemy base.

It's SF, isn't it. Frank Herbert just wanted to get away from technology based stories.

**Orkfantic**

Dune reads more like a big poltical thriller at times then a scifi, still sweet though.