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Warlord Imp wrote:Another price hike means I will no longer be buying anymore GW armies...I have enough figures for a WHFB army and 40K army...enough is enough IMO.

Unverified rumor. At the very least we've identified the salesman as a douche.

I hope that all these players who keep complaining about GW actually do stop buying and playing 40K/fantasy. Infact it would be even better if they stopped posting on the forums about GW related topics.

I actually cant understand why so many people who have supposedly left the hobby still complain about it on the interweb?

We appreciate the models. From a distance.

beef wrote:I hope that all these players who keep complaining about GW actually do stop buying and playing 40K/fantasy. Infact it would be even better if they stopped posting on the forums about GW related topics.

I actually cant understand why so many people who have supposedly left the hobby still complain about it on the interweb?

What the fething tosh does not liking the pricing, attitude and consumer relationship of the company have to do with playing the game?

Well MeanGreanStompa if you dislike a company so much due to their bad pricing and poor ruleset and bad attitude the most obvious thing would be not to buy from them.

But the Dirty Truth is no other games company comes close to GW for rules or models.
It why we Love it so much. Play the Game and complain less then.

beef wrote:
But the Dirty Truth is no other games company comes close to GW for rules or models.

I disagree. I paint their models because I like them, but I hardly play the game as I
dislike the rules. That's why I'm shifting budgets in 2010, or at least I'm going to
try to. The lure of Mumaks might prove too strong.

It's probably closer to the truth to say that no other company has as much market presence.

I'd agree with that.

crazy talk
90% of the posts are complaining about GW
if there wasn't so much "I hate the evil GW" bashing going on, the forum wouldn't have anywhere near the number of
posts!

=)

beef wrote:Infact it would be even better if they stopped posting on the forums about GW related topics.

Or you could simply stop reading the threads that contain such annoyances.

beef wrote:Well MeanGreanStompa if you dislike a company so much due to their bad pricing and poor ruleset and bad attitude the most obvious thing would be not to buy from them.

But the Dirty Truth is no other games company comes close to GW for rules or models.
It why we Love it so much. Play the Game and complain less then.

I'm...not...buying...from...them...

Gamezone miniatures gives GW very serious competition for fantasy miniature quality, in many cases it beats GW hands down and steals it's lunch money. Their metals are also cheaper than GWs.

Mate, don't tell me to complain less if something I've been collecting and playing for over 20 bloody years gets priced into the exorbitant for no good reason, or the company that creates it behaves like a rottweiler on crack to it's own fans and the wargaming community.

agnosto wrote:

beef wrote:Infact it would be even better if they stopped posting on the forums about GW related topics.

Or you could simply stop reading the threads that contain such annoyances.

I'm pretty sure there's no warning tab for threads saying "WARNING: This Thread Contains 90% Whining About GW."

Maybe we could get one so we can "stop reading the threads that contain such annoyances"?

But MGS is right. People are entitled to complain(or at least think they are). It'd be nice if they'd tone the complaining down a bit, but that's like asking a duck to stop quacking or a squid to stop squiddling.

beef wrote:But the Dirty Truth is no other games company comes close to GW for rules or models.

True. GW has some of the prettiest models around... and some of the worst rules.

Kanluwen wrote:
I'm pretty sure there's no warning tab for threads saying "WARNING: This Thread Contains 90% Whining About GW."

Maybe we could get one so we can "stop reading the threads that contain such annoyances"?

But MGS is right. People are entitled to complain(or at least think they are). It'd be nice if they'd tone the complaining down a bit, but that's like asking a duck to stop quacking or a squid to stop squiddling.

The "quit yer b*tchin" mentality is a two way street.

For the most part, a person can read a few postings on any thread and gather the direction the thread is taking and at that point they make a decision, whether they recognize it or not, to just say "huh" and move along or to comment.

You're right, though, that griping is part of the human condition; it's arguable that my wife griping about something broken will motivate me to get off my lazy tush and fix it, on a bigger scale that's how we control our various governments (take a long look at governments without free speech stomp down on anyone griping if you don't believe me) or even encourage changes in corporate policy...

Hope this is just rumour, but as I've not had a pay rise this year, at least I'm still in work unlike so many others, I'll stick to myself imposed monthly budget of £50 per month for toy soldiers, games etc.

Harms66 wrote:Hope this is just rumour, but as I've not had a pay rise this year, at least I'm still in work unlike so many others, I'll stick to myself imposed monthly budget of £50 per month for toy soldiers, games etc.

As many have noted, it's an unverified rumor.
I'm jealous of your budget. The mistress of the household has just informed me that my gaming budget has been slashed. :(

agnosto wrote:We, in the West, are conditioned to be consumers, unthinking buying machines, and that's what we do.

Feel free to speak for the rest of the sheeple. I'll continue to make purchases of my own volition.

bigchris1313 wrote:

agnosto wrote:We, in the West, are conditioned to be consumers, unthinking buying machines, and that's what we do.

Feel free to speak for the rest of the sheeple. I'll continue to make purchases of my own volition.

That's the danger with generalizations, people tend to take them too literally. The majority of people in the West, and increasingly in thwe East, are trained to be consumers. From early childhood, most of us are told by are parents to save our allowance (or in my case, my lawn mowing money) to buy what the TV, peers, and other sources tell us we must. In example, most of us were introduced to GW products or wargaming in general by a friend; we didn't just wake up one day and spontaneously decide to paint little army men.

I suppose my point is that we, all of us unless someone lives as a hermit on a mountaintop somewhere, are influenced in our purchases; whether or not we admit to it is a different story.

6 pages of arguments about GW pricing/customer service/rules because someone made a "I heard from a friend who works with someone who has a roommate that read the formations of the stars and it predicts a price increase in February" post. Its awesome.

Oddly enough it is mildly entertaining to me because business slows down this time of year for me, so it passes the time. Carry on

Why doesnt everyone here just stop complaining about GW price increases and just start compliaining about their employer not giving them a cost of living increase. Then you can bitch about something that really sucks..your job. Id bet 90% have jobs you hate or are students who feel this crunch and thats what burns. Your having to spend more of your hard earned dollars while your hated employer shares none. If your jobs paid more you wouldnt care as much now would you.

Their price increases over the life span of their products arent that bad when you account for the increases in availability, systems, quality, etc.

Dont complain about $2K break changes when you drive a Fararri.(yadda yadda I know GW isnt exotic like a Fararri thats FW but to save some loon effort Ill put this here) Or for giggles buy GW stock when they start paying dividends to subsidize your own hobby?

Begin Im an exception boo boo GW rants again. See you all at the register.

beef wrote:
But the Dirty Truth is no other games company comes close to GW for models.
It why we Love it so much.

I love Warhammer 40,000. It's probably one of my favorite science fiction universes, only tied with Star Wars and Star Trek.

But if GW keeps increasing their prices, then I'm afraid that I will not be able to continue playing.

I'm angry with GW because I want them to do well. Is that surprising? I want GW to live long and prosper, but their current business model is going to hurt them.

I hope it doesn't happen but at the same time they need to learn a lesson so that they can become a better company. And no, this isn't sarcasm.

-Vlad

Wow, I've never seen so much complaining outside of primary school dinners when brocolli is on the menu! As a casual expenditure (ie outside of rent/food/electricity) my GW toy soldiers is relatively cheap! I'd be about:
- £100 per month for a few rounds of golf on the local courses, just for playing, no accessories
- clothes/trainers anything from £30 to £100 per item!
- £700 for alloys for the car
- £50 - £100 on console games
- £100 per month in the pub!

I'm not saying that I would spend that every month, but it's disposable income and has to be budgeted as such, if I need a new pair of shoes one month I'll cut down on the toy soldiers, but likewise if I want some plasticy goodness I might curtail some other expenses. Yes, it might seem expensive but the value isn't just what you hold in your hand. It's in the whole world that surrounds it and without buying the models I couldn't enjoy painting them, I wouldn't know all the guys I game with and I might be sitting here bored senseless playing with a rubix cube or a YoYo!

My better half thinks its expensive, but has no emotional ties to our fluffy world. But then again, I'd swap her beloved Jimmy Choo handbag in a heartbeat for a plastic sprue..........

Brother Chaplain Ginn wrote:Why doesnt everyone here just stop complaining about GW price increases and just start compliaining about their employer not giving them a cost of living increase. Then you can bitch about something that really sucks..your job. Id bet 90% have jobs you hate or are students who feel this crunch and thats what burns. Your having to spend more of your hard earned dollars while your hated employer shares none. If your jobs paid more you wouldnt care as much now would you.

Their price increases over the life span of their products arent that bad when you account for the increases in availability, systems, quality, etc.

Dont complain about $2K break changes when you drive a Fararri.(yadda yadda I know GW isnt exotic like a Fararri thats FW but to save some loon effort Ill put this here) Or for giggles buy GW stock when they start paying dividends to subsidize your own hobby?

Begin Im an exception boo boo GW rants again. See you all at the register.

LOL. I can't complain about the no COLA thing because my employer hasn't given anyone a raise in 4 years. It takes a literal act of the state legislature to give us raises.


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Johnynoi wrote:
My better half thinks its expensive, but has no emotional ties to our fluffy world. But then again, I'd swap her beloved Jimmy Choo handbag in a heartbeat for a plastic sprue..........

I'm with you there. My wife was saying something along the same lines until I reminded her that I spend more on her Coach bags than I spend on my little army men.

Brother Chaplain Ginn wrote:Dont complain about $2K break changes when you drive a Fararri.(yadda yadda I know GW isnt exotic like a Fararri thats FW but to save some loon effort Ill put this here).

Poor Enzo rolled over in his grave a couple of times when you typed this

My point is that 90% of the post on this forum seem to be about how badly we as the consumer are done by GW. Maybe they should change the name of this forum to 'I hate GW'
Or better still have a sub forum for just hating on GW then I would not have to have read 6 pages of the stuff. Yes you are free to complain, its your right but come onenough is enough. Get over it, complain about world hunger or the whales being killed illegaly or something of substance.

Its true I dont have to reply to the GW hate but come on not everybody feels that way, But from the forum you would thinks its the majority opinion Which it is not. Its just easier to complain about something. Defend GW and you are the Black sheap of the community or at best a Fanboy

Enzo has a lot to roll over about these days, keeps the worms off. He'd have to wonder about his company's place in the globat automobile market these days. Would he be a pioneer again and really lead his peers and go green? Pump gas has its limits afterall. What a world we are in.

Being a cultural Icon and the highpoint in an analogy, contained table top wargame forum while people are supposed to be working probably wouldnt register. LOL.

Oh and ref the cost of living raisies me, takes congress to give me a raise, but the FEDs have been taking care of us what with the two wars and all.

agnosto wrote:

beef wrote:Infact it would be even better if they stopped posting on the forums about GW related topics.

Or you could simply stop reading the threads that contain such annoyances.

But see if the GW apologists stopped reading such threads then what would they have to defend?

By apologists you of course mean those who are generally quite happy with their hobby, and don't feel the need to martyr themselves on the internets, and by defend, you of course mean suggest an alternate, less outright hostile attitude and perspective upon the GW Hobby yes?

Aren't most of us actually somewhere in the middle, rather than being either GW apologists or people who'd complain at whatever GW do? I think there's been some good discussion here, before people started complaining about the complainers.

Most people I know who do the hobby are somewhere in the middle, too -- love the game, love the fluff, love the minis, occasionally get annoyed at GW, occasionally buy minis from other companies and use them in GW games.

deitpike wrote:crazy talk
90% of the posts are complaining about GW
if there wasn't so much "I hate the evil GW" bashing going on, the forum wouldn't have anywhere near the number of
posts!

=)

That's just not true!

Anyway, man this thread's got legs!

Really annoying, long lasting ones, but still, wow?

So is this price rise on or off? I don't buy so I'm price elastic.

Off I'd assume, if you don't count the VAT going back up in 3 days.