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MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Bash the Bosh wrote:@Gargskull and Meangreenstompa. I have to agree with you both. I love the idea, but the model just dosen't flick my switch. I may have to go with a bastardised 1:35 scale Chinook. That should be a laugh building that monstrousity

I'd personally prefer using a Russian hind as the starter, drippin in dakka! (trumpeter do one at 1:35 scale)

Two words: looted Valkyrie!

Anung Un Rama wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Bash the Bosh wrote:@Gargskull and Meangreenstompa. I have to agree with you both. I love the idea, but the model just dosen't flick my switch. I may have to go with a bastardised 1:35 scale Chinook. That should be a laugh building that monstrousity

I'd personally prefer using a Russian hind as the starter, drippin in dakka! (trumpeter do one at 1:35 scale)

Two words: looted Valkyrie!

I'm waiting till the storm raven comes out, then I'm taking the buzz saw to it... mwahahahahahahaha!!!

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Bash the Bosh wrote:@Gargskull and Meangreenstompa. I have to agree with you both. I love the idea, but the model just dosen't flick my switch. I may have to go with a bastardised 1:35 scale Chinook. That should be a laugh building that monstrousity

I'd personally prefer using a Russian hind as the starter, drippin in dakka! (trumpeter do one at 1:35 scale)

Two words: looted Valkyrie!

I'm waiting till the storm raven comes out, then I'm taking the buzz saw to it... mwahahahahahahaha!!!

I just love the idea of a flyer transporting a heavy walker.
Three words: Dreadnought with Parachute.

I'm pretty sure that Trumpeter's 1/35 Hind is out of production.
Or at least I can't scare up any reference to it in Squadron's catalogs, at least any catalog I have that's newer than 2005.

On Warseer there are some rumours that the IA book on Eldar takes place on an Ice planet, with Space Wolves (incl. Thunderwolves) as the opponent. Wishlisters want to have new Valhallans, too.

Gargskull wrote:
The others clans are unlikely to be covered in the next book, but rather in a future one.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:...the feth... Why? Where the hell are the clan specific conversion kits for Nobs and Boyz? The Specific Clan Warbosses? Dun't fergit bout us blud-axez or yer gunna land yerselfz wif a choppa to yer noggin an a tank-ammer to yer crown jewelz...

The loose leaf example book had a double page spread with an evil sunz biker boss with art depicting their already released boss on bike model so I'm sure they'll be plenty of clan specific stuff. to come.

As the next Ork IA book (in however many years that will be) will have bad moons I'm already looking forward to it, hoping for flash gitz and meganobz models from FW.

Anyone know of the release date on the Raven Guard troop upgrades and the character model?

The doors and dread are already available.

Probably "soon".

Kanluwen wrote:Probably "soon".

Thanks! That helps a ton!

Forge World doesn't exactly make their release schedules common knowledge. Best bet is to call them and ask, or just wait.

Point of interest, got chatting with Warwick, asked about mutant Ravenguard, he said he had asked if he could include them, but the ip guys said no, so no mutant Ravenguard failed experiments into cloning! Damn shame!

Shame indeed. Now what will the cool thing be that Raven Guard have which other Marine chapters don't? It won't be Jump Marines as troops.

Jump marines with wings! No... wait...

http://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories/Model_Aircraft/TRP00005103/product.php?micr=363

@Grimstonefire:
You see my problem... -_-

@skkipper: I doubt it. Not with the Stormraven and the new Forgeworld transport on the way.

Anung Un Rama wrote:Shame indeed. Now what will the cool thing be that Raven Guard have which other Marine chapters don't? It won't be Jump Marines as troops.

I think the cool stuff that the RG will get will mostly revolve around Landspeeder and Scouts. With the use of precision stikes, RG rely most heavily on Scouts, as such I would imagine RG could have some uniquely veteran scouts. Imagine a veteran scout squad with some sternguard ammo choices, or multiple Telions, or auxiliary grenade launchers, or something in that vein. Not the biggest deal but its something.

According to the early index of IA8, some number of Landspeeder variants are planned, so thats a straight forward addition. What options and weapons they have is widely open to speculation. With heavy flamer, heavy bolter, assault cannon, multi-meltas, and better missile launchers all covered as standards, what could RG recieve to distinguish their's. Wide spread proliferation of plasma cannons on landspeeders might be fun; or some bigger more specialized missiles. Mayb they could get a more practical variant of the Landspeeder storm that can be taken as a dedicated transport choice or in squadrons.

The Storm Eagle, if and when it gets done for RG, will be something unique so it will be worth the wait. But are those 3 basic things enough to distinguish them?
I don't think so. It amounts to less distinction than the add-on BA and DA codices of 3rd Ed. They might not need much more, but anything on the same level as 3rd edition effort isn't worthwhile.

I wanted mutant RG too. :(


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Grimstonefire wrote:Jump marines with wings! No... wait...

There is a certain painful irony, that the BA codex reinvented them too well. It did so well that it represents certain flavors of Space Marines better than Codex: SM. Blood Angels, can represent the jump pack troop formations of the RG or the massed dreadnought forces of the Iron Hands.

Bear in mind that I'm not a 40k follower, but I always thought the RG were supposed to be masters of guerilla warfare (or unconventional war). Not just hit and run, or just hit (which is the BA approach).

This would mean they would need to figure out how to deploy all the machines of war they need in a very quiet and sneaky way. Drop pods isn't going to be quiet...

Really they just need the whole army to scout (using the warhammer term for it).

Grimstonefire wrote:Bear in mind that I'm not a 40k follower, but I always thought the RG were supposed to be masters of guerilla warfare (or unconventional war). Not just hit and run, or just hit (which is the BA approach).

This would mean they would need to figure out how to deploy all the machines of war they need in a very quiet and sneaky way. Drop pods isn't going to be quiet...

Yes and no. Guerilla warfare and hit and run are a big part of their tactics, but so are precision strikes by Terminators and armour guided in by Scouts.

Phew (got some of it right). That is ideally where FW should focus then, maybe giving them land speeders with really 'eavy weapons?

Or mortar teams for scouts? Give the scouts a much bigger role in the list. Laser targeters as well.

Why mortar teams for Scouts? Veteran Scout teams, maybe with an ability to have Terminators "lock on" to them far more accurately than normal? Sure, could see it. Veteran Scout teams with a markerlight equivalent? Again, could see it.
But they're still a Codex Chapter, for the most part, with the exception of the amount of independence they give their Captains in deploying their forces...which doesn't really translate to the tabletop well, I'd think.

Also : it's really important to remember that the "mutants" that the Raven Guard had were purged by the Raven Guard themselves after they were used and found unstable.

Kanluwen wrote:Why mortar teams for Scouts? Veteran Scout teams, maybe with an ability to have Terminators "lock on" to them far more accurately than normal? Sure, could see it. Veteran Scout teams with a markerlight equivalent? Again, could see it.
But they're still a Codex Chapter, for the most part, with the exception of the amount of independence they give their Captains in deploying their forces...which doesn't really translate to the tabletop well, I'd think.

I don't think mortars are quite right for a space marine force of any flavor. With the current Codex SM scouts are 75% support role, 25% line troop. In a more guerrilla force there would be a higher emphasis on their ability to act in the troop role.

As far as a captain's independence to deploying troops, that'd be represented by a special rule allowing "any one unit may redeploy". Or something in that vein.

Kanluwen wrote:Also : it's really important to remember that the "mutants" that the Raven Guard had were purged by the Raven Guard themselves after they were used and found unstable.

Thats just what they tell the Inquisition.

Fluff is flexible and could be rewritten to accomodate. For example, just imagine if similar to the degeneration of the Blood Angels, the Raven Guard see one in a couple hundred neophytes degenerate into a monster when they get their marine organs.

Weren't the mutants the result of cloning attempts, and nothing to do with the implantation itself?

I absolutely love the Raven Guard commander! I might have to pick him up just to paint him .

Kanluwen wrote:Weren't the mutants the result of cloning attempts, and nothing to do with the implantation itself?

All that the fluff says is they were the unintended consequence of Corax utilizing cloning technology to replenish the Raven Guards ranks. Was Corax cloning entire marines or just organs? Nothing says. The fluff states there was a written account of Raven Guard herding these beasts toward an Iron Warrior fortification, with no statement of when it occured, so it could very well have occured after Corax's supposed "disposal" of them.

Yeah, we'll probably see that being cleaned up in IA8.

aka_mythos wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Why mortar teams for Scouts? Veteran Scout teams, maybe with an ability to have Terminators "lock on" to them far more accurately than normal? Sure, could see it. Veteran Scout teams with a markerlight equivalent? Again, could see it.
But they're still a Codex Chapter, for the most part, with the exception of the amount of independence they give their Captains in deploying their forces...which doesn't really translate to the tabletop well, I'd think.

I don't think mortars are quite right for a space marine force of any flavor. With the current Codex SM scouts are 75% support role, 25% line troop. In a more guerrilla force there would be a higher emphasis on their ability to act in the troop role.

As far as a captain's independence to deploying troops, that'd be represented by a special rule allowing "any one unit may redeploy". Or something in that vein.

Kanluwen wrote:Also : it's really important to remember that the "mutants" that the Raven Guard had were purged by the Raven Guard themselves after they were used and found unstable.

Thats just what they tell the Inquisition.

Fluff is flexible and could be rewritten to accomodate. For example, just imagine if similar to the degeneration of the Blood Angels, the Raven Guard see one in a couple hundred neophytes degenerate into a monster when they get their marine organs.

Kanluwen wrote:Weren't the mutants the result of cloning attempts, and nothing to do with the implantation itself?

The mutations were DEFINITELY a byproduct of Corax trying to force grow marines in a short period of time after the Drop Site Massacre.

The flaws in their gene-seed are related to pigmentation (pale skin and black eyes as they age) and possibly some of the less useful crap not working right (spitting acid and such)...

I was just trying to make the point it was written vague enough that it could easily be rewritten which ever way a game designer would want it. As opposed to a major turn around.

Alpharius wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Why mortar teams for Scouts? Veteran Scout teams, maybe with an ability to have Terminators "lock on" to them far more accurately than normal? Sure, could see it. Veteran Scout teams with a markerlight equivalent? Again, could see it.
But they're still a Codex Chapter, for the most part, with the exception of the amount of independence they give their Captains in deploying their forces...which doesn't really translate to the tabletop well, I'd think.

I don't think mortars are quite right for a space marine force of any flavor. With the current Codex SM scouts are 75% support role, 25% line troop. In a more guerrilla force there would be a higher emphasis on their ability to act in the troop role.

As far as a captain's independence to deploying troops, that'd be represented by a special rule allowing "any one unit may redeploy". Or something in that vein.

Kanluwen wrote:Also : it's really important to remember that the "mutants" that the Raven Guard had were purged by the Raven Guard themselves after they were used and found unstable.

Thats just what they tell the Inquisition.

Fluff is flexible and could be rewritten to accomodate. For example, just imagine if similar to the degeneration of the Blood Angels, the Raven Guard see one in a couple hundred neophytes degenerate into a monster when they get their marine organs.

Kanluwen wrote:Weren't the mutants the result of cloning attempts, and nothing to do with the implantation itself?

The mutations were DEFINITELY a byproduct of Corax trying to force grow marines in a short period of time after the Drop Site Massacre.

The flaws in their gene-seed are related to pigmentation (pale skin and black eyes as they age) and possibly some of the less useful crap not working right (spitting acid and such)...

well it is a good thing all my RG have there helmets on, well the full marines anyways scouts are not full marines.

Has anyone else noticed that at least some Forge World items are now made in China? Not a suprise really since GW has been moving many bits of their production process to GW Shanghai, but I recently encountered my first Forge World item that said "made in China" on it. In this case it was a Vendetta conversion kit, a relatively small item. I wonder if some of the larger more complicated models will be made in China as well.

Something I mentioned months ago.