Has BA Codex Gone Too far?

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**kaptaink**

I see what you did :\

**cosmic pixie**

Yeah, I figured I had to try deepstriking the big rectangley thing if I was to participate in one of these threads.

**Baxx**

A Land Raider filled with... let's say some expensive veterans and a special characters... 600-700 points easily! It could all be lost if you land on a grot. Never deep strike!

**kaptaink**

Baxx wrote:A Land Raider filled with... let's say some expensive veterans and a special characters... 600-700 points easily! It could all be lost if you land on a grot. Never deep strike!

I don't know about you but I am going to try and convince everyone to DS their LRs against me. It will be SOOOO effective VS. Vulkan Marines

**Nurglitch**

Or use a Locator Beacon to prevent a Deep Strike mishap.

**JohnHwangDD**

Nurglitch wrote:Or use a Locator Beacon to prevent a Deep Strike mishap.

Hush, you...

**Quientin**

Maybe everyone stuck with an old codex feels pissed on. but at the same time we are afraid of the golden shower of Tzeentch. BA finally out cheesed the wolves. One will always be the favorite child. Todays BA is tomorrows Necron. Pray to papa Nurgle that you are not tomorrows Squat or cultist. DE DA Necrons CSM, Daemons and their hunters... blah blah blah. The only people who have a legitimate gripe coming are those with 5th ed codex. IG have orders, Wolves have Termie and character spam, Vulkan has melta/flamer spam... on and on

LESSON: Do not be upset about what you DONT have. BE excited about what youre gonna get when your codex hits 5th ed.

now... yes its BS. Krak is not just a grenade type at GW

**wuestenfux**

No no.
As an axiom, GW never goes too far.

**Honersstodnt**

playing against blood angels with my biker marine army... a squad of biker marines takes 4 wounds from a flamestorm redeemer cannon. He's within 6" of my command squad's apothecary. My opponent looks at me, and says, with his best trollface on, "you should take your FNP roll on those marines, your within 6" of your apothecary... oh wait! your playing codex marines"

I'm now in prison, awaiting trial for murder. I'm going to plead guilty, and hope the jury understands. I'm sure most of them would have done the same.

**Challenger**

I must admit the whole feel no pain thing has got a tad out of hand (and I'm a blood angel player)

The moment I realised you could field an 11 strong unit of terminators with SS with a 2+, 3++ and FNP I knew someone hadn't thought it through properly.

Challenger

**Monster Rain**

Challenger wrote:I must admit the whole feel no pain thing has got a tad out of hand (and I'm a blood angel player)

The moment I realised you could field an 11 strong unit of terminators with SS with a 2+, 3++ and FNP I knew someone hadn't thought it through properly.

Challenger

Vindicator + Null Zone= What Terminators?

**Baxx**

Challenger wrote:I must admit the whole feel no pain thing has got a tad out of hand (and I'm a blood angel player)

The moment I realised you could field an 11 strong unit of terminators with SS with a 2+, 3++ and FNP I knew someone hadn't thought it through properly.

Challenger

How can such a unit of 535 points manage to make themselves worth it?

Monster Rain wrote:
Vindicator + Null Zone= What Terminators?

You need to get a good hit, then wound on 2+, then the Terminators get a 3+ inv save. Not my definion of effective.

**OverwatchCNC**

Check out this article written by Disdainful for Capture and Control. Capture and Control: The Blood Angels Project He does a good job of breaking down why Blood Angels don't suck and why they aren't broken.

**Black Blow Fly**

As a long time BA player I am tickled pink with the new codex. We had to suffer through the PDF years and as such I think we deserved something nice. I don't have any problems with the new fluff either.

G

**Just Dave**

No offence but 'we deserve it' is a poor argument with possible Necron, Dark Eldar, Inquisition, Black Templar and Dark Angels codices. Having a hard time is no excuse to give everyone else one...

**Monster Rain**

Baxx wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:
Vindicator + Null Zone= What Terminators?

You need to get a good hit, then wound on 2+, then the Terminators get a 3+ inv save. Not my definion of effective.

You're missing a fundamental point in your analysis.

Also, I'm aware that the game involves dice.

**nosferatu1001**

Somebody missed what "Null zone" does, didnt they

**cRaZy_MaChEtE_mAn**

My opinion of this dex and 3 of my friends who don't go to this wonderful place.

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We have a little story but it might get me banned for telling it

**Black Blow Fly**

Just Dave wrote:No offence but 'we deserve it' is a poor argument with possible Necron, Dark Eldar, Inquisition, Black Templar and Dark Angels codices. Having a hard time is no excuse to give everyone else one...

well I hope Necrons, Tau, Templars and other older codices also get good new ones as well. It gets boring when there are only two to three really strong armies.

G

**kaptaink**

Black Blow Fly wrote:As a long time BA player I am tickled pink with the new codex. We had to suffer through the PDF years and as such I think we deserved something nice. I don't have any problems with the new fluff either.

G

Holy crap man, with your thinking I can't wait to see the DA codex. 2+ invulnerable saves and AP1 Bolters better be coming. I'll go out and say minus respective wings the DA book was far worse than the your PDF codex you claim to have suffered through.

Also, claiming some of the obviously terribly thought out ideas are 'justified' because you had a PDF 'dex is a little silly. I bet your thoughts would also be completely different if this happened with an army you don't play.

I also have a feeling books like this might come out a couple more times at most, then there is going to be an attempt to 'level' the playing field, much like what was done with the DA book and someone will get an incredibly bad book.

**JohnHwangDD**

Challenger wrote:The moment I realised you could field an 11 strong unit of terminators with SS with a 2+, 3++ and FNP I knew someone hadn't thought it through properly.

Go for it.

For fewer points, I can field a full squadron of 3 Demolishers, and drop 3 S10 AP2 pie plates on their heads.

Who wins?

**Jayden63**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Challenger wrote:The moment I realised you could field an 11 strong unit of terminators with SS with a 2+, 3++ and FNP I knew someone hadn't thought it through properly.

Go for it.

For fewer points, I can field a full squadron of 3 Demolishers, and drop 3 S10 AP2 pie plates on their heads.

Who wins?

Actually the terminators probably do. Due to spacing, scatter, rolling 1s to wound, and 3+ inv save, your entire volley might just kill 2. Too bad you didn't shoot at Sanquinary guard or assault marines or death company. You know, stuff that doesn't have an inv save. Thus letting them move just that much faster to get into HTH where you can't shoot at them.

All the terminators can do is walk then run, since there isn't a single non-apoc vehicle that can hold 10 terminators and the priest.

**Monster Rain**

Jayden63 wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
Challenger wrote:The moment I realised you could field an 11 strong unit of terminators with SS with a 2+, 3++ and FNP I knew someone hadn't thought it through properly.

Go for it.

For fewer points, I can field a full squadron of 3 Demolishers, and drop 3 S10 AP2 pie plates on their heads.

Who wins?

Actually the terminators probably do. Due to spacing, scatter, rolling 1s to wound, and 3+ inv save, your entire volley might just kill 2. Too bad you didn't shoot at Sanquinary guard or assault marines or death company. You know, stuff that doesn't have an inv save. Thus letting them move just that much faster to get into HTH where you can't shoot at them.

All the terminators can do is walk then run, since there isn't a single non-apoc vehicle that can hold 10 terminators and the priest.

Not to sound like a broken record here...

Null Zone.

**Black Blow Fly**

Well I happen to play Dark Angels as well so I am glad that one of armies finally got a decent book. The PDF was okay but nothing really special, plus we BA players wanted a real codex and some new sprues. Like I said I'm really happy with the codex & can't complain. I hope all the other armies still waiting to be updated get something really nice as well. : )

G

**Demogerg**

By the way, I liked the fluff of the 13th Company lost in the warp.
They played differently when compared with the normal SW codex.
But GW decided to drop them.
Bad decision.

Agreed.

Thats why my "thunderwolves" are (WIP) truescale 13th company wulfen conversions on dreadnought bases, 2 per base, with heresy era jump packs.
Chapterhouse heresy heads- Check
Chapterhouse heresy jump packs- Check
Chapterhouse heresy shoulderpads- Check
Space Wolves power armor kit- Check
Assault Marine kit- Check
Chaos Berzerker kit- Check
Beatmen Gor and Ungor bits- Check
Intricate scenic bases- Check
Lots of Greenstuff- Check
Magnets- Check
Win?- Check.

**wuestenfux**

Thats why my "thunderwolves" are (WIP) truescale 13th company wulfen conversions on dreadnought bases, 2 per base, with heresy era jump packs.
Chapterhouse heresy heads- Check
Chapterhouse heresy jump packs- Check
Chapterhouse heresy shoulderpads- Check
Space Wolves power armor kit- Check
Assault Marine kit- Check
Chaos Berzerker kit- Check
Beatmen Gor and Ungor bits- Check
Intricate scenic bases- Check
Lots of Greenstuff- Check
Magnets- Check
Win?- Check.

Awesome plan.
Any pics?

**CT GAMER**

Black Blow Fly wrote:As a long time BA player I am tickled pink with the new codex. We had to suffer through the PDF years and as such I think we deserved something nice. I don't have any problems with the new fluff either.

G

i think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit...

**Arschbombe**

CT GAMER wrote:i think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit...

That tends to happen when you get yourself worked up about a new codex.

**CatPeeler**

Demogerg wrote:Blood angels (IMO) were supposed to allude to being sparkly vampires, while still remaining mostly Space Marines. Now they are sparkly vampires who just use the gear of space marines while they fly around with magical psychic dreadnoughts, with meltapistols on every sergent, flying land raiders, nipple-armor, sanguinary sanguine priests who inspire the sanguine guard to fight sanguinarily for the sanguintastic primarch sanguinious, who oddly enough, forces his champions to wear nipple armor while trying to drink the blood of their foes. Oh, and the one sparkly vampire who decided to NOT drink blood somehow becomes a super-saiyen who refuses to play nicely with others.

a similarly sarcastic arguement can be made for Space Wolves, with their Wolf riding Wolf champions who wear wolf pelts while howling like wolves for their wolf lord who tells them to fight like wolves into combat vs some sparkly vampires who want to drink their blood.

TLDR: Blood angel codex fluff is terribad, its like they took the worst part of the Space Wolf codex (thunderwolves) and morphed it to fit Blood Angels, then wrote the whole codex about it.

I like the cut of this man's gibberish.

What you say is very interesting, and, yes--I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

**JohnHwangDD**

Jayden63 wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
Challenger wrote:The moment I realised you could field an 11 strong unit of terminators with SS with a 2+, 3++ and FNP I knew someone hadn't thought it through properly.

Go for it.

For fewer points, I can field a full squadron of 3 Demolishers, and drop 3 S10 AP2 pie plates on their heads.

Actually the terminators probably do. Due to spacing, scatter, rolling 1s to wound, and 3+ inv save, your entire volley might just kill 2. Too bad you didn't shoot at Sanquinary guard or assault marines or death company. You know, stuff that doesn't have an inv save. Thus letting them move just that much faster to get into HTH where you can't shoot at them.

All the terminators can do is walk then run, since there isn't a single non-apoc vehicle that can hold 10 terminators and the priest.

You're *WALKING* them from your board edge? Really?

Auto-win for the Demolishers! Good Job!

I figured you were a least DSing them so they'd be closer to the action and only risk the one round of shooting before they get stuck in. 3 Plates = 1 HIT on all 12, 2 scatters (1 long, 1 short).

Regardless of whether you walk or DS, I get a least 2 turns of lobbing S10 AP2 shots at other stuff before I have to even think about dealing with those Termies.