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They still get armour saves against the incinerators....

True, but at range you can get min of three hits, more at the right angle

Spellbound:

Attrition is the reason that the original example cited 20 Hormagaunts, although with an 18" charge radius they may not have to take much in the way of casualties prior to the charge.

After all, the important thing is that the Assault Terminators with a Sanguinary Priest and a Chaplain define their accompanying army in several ways.

Firstly they use up all the Elite slots and mean that there's only two other Sanguinary Priest wandering around. Secondly they take up nearly 600pts. Charging them with 200pts worth of Hormagaunts does factor in attrition and how much of the Tyranid army will be engaging the Blood Angel army. In a 2000pt game, for example, 9/10s of the Tyranids would be engaging 7/10s of the Blood Angels while the Hormagaunts winnow the Terminators. Thirdly, they're going to be in a Land Raider which will suck up another 200+ points from the army.

Sanguinary priests may be purchased up to 3 per elite slot. You can have 9 in a BA army if you so choose.

willydstyle wrote:Sanguinary priests may be purchased up to 3 per elite slot. You can have 9 in a BA army if you so choose.

True, but I believe Nuglitch's point was that termies and chaplains are also elites. If you want a termie squad with a chaplain you can have at most 3 sang priests.

DaveL wrote:

willydstyle wrote:Sanguinary priests may be purchased up to 3 per elite slot. You can have 9 in a BA army if you so choose.

True, but I believe Nuglitch's point was that termies and chaplains are also elites. If you want a termie squad with a chaplain you can have at most 3 sang priests.

That's why no-one ever takes a chaplain, you take the Rechlusiarch.

Gwar! wrote:

DaveL wrote:

willydstyle wrote:Sanguinary priests may be purchased up to 3 per elite slot. You can have 9 in a BA army if you so choose.

True, but I believe Nuglitch's point was that termies and chaplains are also elites. If you want a termie squad with a chaplain you can have at most 3 sang priests.

That's why no-one ever takes a chaplain, you take the Rechlusiarch.

QFT.

+1 BS, +1 A, +1 wound is nice.

Though only thing I don't like is the added expense... though that's the nature of the death star....

30 points is hardly an added expense!

In response to the OP:

I recently obliterated an Blood Angel assault terminator squad of 7 models (their priest stayed in the Land Raider, giving his 6" buff) using my assault orientated Nob Squad of 10 models.

I got the charge - his lightning claws inflicted a few wounds (some were saved by my 5+ inv save from cybork) which were dealt with by wound allocation. My big choppas killed a terminator, then all the thunder hammers and claws were resolved. His TH killed one ork, my 5 claws (20 attacks) killed 5 terminators - the remaining 1 ran away.

One thing people need to remember is that FNP is not going to have any effect against lots of power weapons - then you only have to deal with the termies inv save, and this can be overcome by sheer weight of power weapons.

Personally I feel my Nobs are more powerful in CC than even assault terminators - and to date this has been the case.

shokk'n'ork wrote:In response to the OP:

I recently obliterated an Blood Angel assault terminator squad of 7 models (their priest stayed in the Land Raider, giving his 6" buff) using my assault orientated Nob Squad of 10 models.

I got the charge - his lightning claws inflicted a few wounds (some were saved by my 5+ inv save from cybork) which were dealt with by wound allocation. My big choppas killed a terminator, then all the thunder hammers and claws were resolved. His TH killed one ork, my 5 claws (20 attacks) killed 5 terminators - the remaining 1 ran away.

One thing people need to remember is that FNP is not going to have any effect against lots of power weapons - then you only have to deal with the termies inv save, and this can be overcome by sheer weight of power weapons.

Personally I feel my Nobs are more powerful in CC than even assault terminators - and to date this has been the case.

His squad of 7 + priest is worth say 300+ points. Your squad of 10 with cybork + 5 pks + a couple of big choppas already cost almost 400 points.

His thunderhammers killed only 1 Nob at 5+ invul save - you were lucky.
20 Power Klaws should statstically hit 50% of the time, and cause about 8 wounds. He should save about 5-6 wounds. You killed 5 - You were lucky.

How is that worth relying on?

Nobs are not great way to combat BA termies. They are WS5 with a WB, but have no access to low strength, cost effective power weapons. Big choppas are a great compromise, but they will absolutely suck against BA termies... flatly, they won't do anything of significance.

You are dealing with a 2+/3++, with a 4+ FNP to boot. The quickest point from A to B, is going to involve cheap, low strength power weapons, which you cannot get with Nobs. Burnas are an interesting choice, but for Orks overall, I would recommend ignoring and/or tarpitting the BA termies with cheap units; NOT Ork deathstar squads.

Null zone is as direct a counter possible, to a 3++ save. All units benefit from it, and BA termies are not going to be the ones doing the shooting.

Chaplain with Terminator Squad armed with LC.

Rerolled failed rolls to hit and rerolled failed rolls to wound.

When in doubt agaisnt Terminators, send Terminators!

Helps also if you have a second HQ choice (Librarian) casting Null Zone

Throw fits and cry about it until your opponent shakes his head and decides not to use them anymore due to your incessant crying/tantrum.

....thats what I do.