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Captain on the charge can take out...what? 2/3 of a termy...

Devs with 4 lascannon, ok that's a joke,...with Lysander Lawl Topping.

TL Assault Cannons, only when massed.
You need 21 hits to translate into 18 wounds to result in 3 rends to kill one termy. THen the 15 regular wounds would translate into one kill.
You'd need roughly 5 Assault Cannons to kill 2 termies on average.

Vortex of doom... short range, small template, only BS 4, still get inv saves, another joke.

Kill Kannon: no comment.

I'm starting to wonder what does kill terminators........since all of everything i've come up with seems to be trash

It's not trash, it's just not economical.
As said before, it's weight of attacks. It can be low ap to high ap, it can be lots of regular attacks or power weapon attacks.

Basically you overload them with more economical choices and figures...

4 Lascannon Devs is just too funny of a suggestion.

What about 2 shock attack guns? You gotta roll double sixes some time! two of them will get there twice as fast!

5" Large Blasts with AP2 do. (Demolisher, Medusa, Orbital Bombardment , Marbo ) And Jaws of the World Wolf has a rather good chance, too. Everything else will probably be not that effective. Oh, someone pointed out 15 Burna Boyz, that's a rather good idea, I think!

For IG:

Tank shock them into a clump and then use 1-2 plascutioners.

or

Use 2 units of rough riders.

For Orks:
15 burnas and a battlewagon

Tau: Helios suits. Fusion/Plasma with a multi-tracker x3 that jump into 12" and back out to 18" - that's 6 STR6 AP2 and 3 STR8 AP1 shots per turn; those are fantastic terminator killers.

Orks: Ghazghkull Thraka is part of all my ork lists. He chews on terminators. They perish. If they don't have thunderhammers you can also throw a nob squad at them (with cybork bodies of course), and if they do have thunderhammers, throw boyz at them. a squad of trukk boyz on the charge is 11 boyz (44 attacks) hitting 22 times, wounding 11 times, causing 2 failed wounds and 1 failed FNP before the nob even chimes in. You mentioned 3++ saves, so I presume these are TH/SS - in which case I would throw burnas at them in close combat; 45 attacks, 23 hits, 12 wounds, 3 failed invulnerable saves.

Preferably, I would throw burnas AND a unit of boyz at them.

20 Rough Riders (assuming they are not shot ) would kill roughly 4-5.

200 points of Rough Riders killed 200 points of termies, not terrible, but not great...but that's what one can expect from Hamminators.

Burna Boys in battlewagon are a fun option.
Lets say you get 7 under the template, that's 7 autohit times 15 .
But the results are iffy, roudhly 4-5 go down on average.

Again, these are just random numbers...make them roll saves and they will eventually fail. You do not want to spend too much points into making them roll those saves though.


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Helios spam.
From one squad that's 9 shots, lets assume enough marker lights to hit on 2's, which would result in 2 dying termies on average.

Not bad, but the only issue is getting that close, even at 18" that's a dangerous range to be in.

As for mass ork boyz, the answer would be: yes.

If you get 6 Terminators under the burnawagon template, that's 90 hits. And you still kill only 0.78125 Terminators. I think you have to go with assault for the burnaz. In assault and assuming the Terminators are ALL hammernators (so strike at I1), the burnaz kill 3.75 Terminators on average. That's 4.8 times the kills they would do with shooting!

Tank shock them. Repeatedly.

Has anyone mentioned the Nightbringer yet?

He kills 2.5 termies on the charge IIRC.
But he's pretty slow himself.
Although he would need like 40 attacks from the termies to put down, and doesn't 'have' to stay in combat with them.

But a C'Tan is rarely the answer to alot of things.

Vanilla Assault Terminators with Cassius, who do the exact same thing as the BA Terminators+Priest+Chaplain, but for about 105 points cheaper?

A loaded Crusader with TH/SS Terms, Chaplain, and Sang Priest will run ~710 points. For the same cost, I'd rather have Death Company with Chaplain. Much, much more offensive capability even with just a few power weapons/fists and far more survivable against elite assault units like AssTerms.

10 wolf guard in power armor, all armed with power weapons, plus Rangar Blackmane.

40-60 attacks on the charge, S5, I5, ignore armor, ignore FnP, even with minimum of 40 attacks, running averages vs a unit of 5 TH/SS termies kills 4/5 not including Ragnars contribution of attacks (which can go entirely on the priest, lulz).

Expensive, but aside from walkers there isnt much this unit can't wipe out

I actually saw someone craftily use a combination of a Bait Meltavetsquad, a Vindicare Assassin and Demolishers to omnomnomnom a unit of them once.

Though to be be fair the guy was using LC Termies. xD

A Vindicare Assassin is indeed a smart way of getting rid of the priest. Then you can go back to "normal" tactics of getting rid of Terminators...ah, I like the Vindicare, but he's rather expensive and hard to get outside of Daemonhunter armies.

it is true that normal TH/SS terminators die to sustained bolter fire, BUT and its a big BUT, we are discussing FNP TH/SS terminators.


it normally takes 24 bolter shots to kill a terminator. 24 shots, 12 hit, 6 wound, 1 failed save.

FNP doubles this number, DOUBLES.

48 bolter shots, 24 hit, 12 wound, 2 unsaved wounds, 1 failed FNP roll.

so a basic 5 man TH/SS squad with FNP will take 240 bolter shots to kill.



now you may say they lose the FNP advantage against certain weapons. powerweapons, Lascannons, battlecannon, and demolisher cannons.

well the problem is they are nearly invulnerable to these weapons as it stands with the 3+ invulns.


it takes 3 Lascannon and Demolisher cannon wounds to kill a TH/SS terminator. battle cannons are AP3 so the terminator gets his armor save.


you will need alot of lascannons to get the required wounds to reliably get the wounds. Pieplates can hit anywhere from 0-7 models. 4 prehaps if the opponent spreads ot to max coherenency and you get a direct hit.

thats 1 dead terminator if a Demo cannon and .6 dead terminators if a battlecannon.


powerweapons can't be taken in great enough numbers to worry the terminators Invuln save and a powerweapon armed unit will be expensive and CC is what the terminators want to be in.



FNP terminators are nasty.

Grey Templar:

Regarding Bolters, they are almost exclusively wielded by BS4 models, so 18 shots, 12 hits, 6 wounds, 1 failed save is the going rate for ordinary Terminators. That would mean that 36 shots would be required for Terminators with Feel No Pain. Therefore, it would be reasonable to expect ~180 Bolter shots to kill a unit of Terminators with Feel No Pain.

That's two Tactical Squads shooting at the unit for five turns at <12" range.

2 squads of sonic blaster chaos space marines mass up 60 shots at 24" standing still...only takes 3 rounds .

Sanctjud wrote:2 squads of sonic blaster chaos space marines mass up 60 shots at 24" standing still...only takes 3 rounds .

But they'll only get two rounds

I try to kite them around best I can. In all three of my armies it's pretty much game over if they get into combat with them.

The Swarmlord With help, and Paroxyism can do it, but it's very risky.

"But they'll only get two rounds" then the doom siren and power sword finish them.

Deamons, with Flamers. As they don't get an armor save, would they still get FNP. regardless that can be a lot of hits in.


I had them in a game a few weeks ago, I popped the LR with broadsides and had to footslog it. They walked through a gap that I had inflitrated 2 units of kroot x10 into woods, and they were in double tap range and killed 6 over the course of two turns.

Acardia wrote:Deamons, with Flamers. As they don't get an armor save, would they still get FNP. regardless that can be a lot of hits in.


I had them in a game a few weeks ago, I popped the LR with broadsides and had to footslog it. They walked through a gap that I had inflitrated 2 units of kroot x10 into woods, and they were in double tap range and killed 6 over the course of two turns.

No, any attack that ignores armour also ignores FNP.

9 Howling Banshees with Exarch with an Executioner + Doom could hurt them.

Then again, you could also just Mind War the Priest and hopefully take care of the problem the old fashioned way.

Or use Orks and just Burna them to death like you always do.

Feel No Pain is no use against Da Kan Open'rs!

Conversion beamer goodness. Str 10 Ap 1 = death. No FNP, no regular save.

@nivondu:
That is a not a serious post.
It's a small blast template, requires hiding in a corner (which leaves him vulnerable to Outflankers/longer range weapons that can instant kill him)

What would you do? You'd hit 1 at most 2 dudes, then they get a 3++ save.

@Gwar!:
Yup, even regular boyz are fine to lock them down as their number of attacks are not much if mostly Hamminators.

@Monster Rain:
Banshees are sadly not a great solo counter.
With doom they kill 2-3.
Lets say 3 go down in a squad of 7 with 2 non-TDA ICs after you pop their ride....ignoring IC attacks the remaining Hamminators kill 3.
With the IC's it's most likely you are losing combat...

Clean up? Yes, Banshees with doom and other army elements breaking them down will work...the only question how much support...

Hmm. Librarian with Nullzone accompanying a squad of Sternguard with Combi-Plasma Guns?

i actually wiped out 5 AT:s with FNP with 8 thousand sons and bolt of change...awesomeness