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Mr. Burning wrote:Instead of Ordo Xenos lets have a straight Xenos Codex!

Includuing old favourites such as:
The Jokearo
Slann/Zoats
Ambulls
Psygores
The Hrud
And many more from passing fluff references.

Exodites could go here too.

Might as well give the Ordos something different to wipe from existence.

But they need something to tie them together. Which might as well be the Ordo Xenos. Sounds strange but the ordos are most hypocritical within their own fields. (Deamonhunters using deamonhosts). Not sure about Hrud and Psygores and what not. Kroot and Slann seem more amicable.


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Adeptus Mechanicus has been known to abduct the population of entire world and press them into slavery when their productivity goes down a few precentage points. I'm sure this requires the destruction of any local Army first by Skitarii.

Kanluwen wrote:The Sisters canon from Codex: Witchhunters was universally whined about by Sisters players.

Then GW changed it when they created the rulebook, which is a newer source of background ifno.

And you keep whining?

Seems like you won't be happy, period.

The stuff about shoe-horning the Inquisition into the Sisters is complained about as it had no place in the codex and was a useless, half-arsed addition that did nothing for the army.

However, the Codex is still the current one and as such, the fluff presented in it is canon until a new codex is released or the army is squatted.
Until then, What is listed in the rulebook is seen as secondary to the codex with the canon present in the codex as 'true' canon.
The much complained about codex Witch hunters states that there is six major orders and 'unknown' numbers of minor orders and that sisters are present as guards at nearly all Ecclesiarchy sites, patrol the pilgimage lanes, hunt lost artifacts, conduct all Wars of Faith and by the simple nature of these duties alone there is a fair few Sisters present in the galaxy. A damn sight more then Marines by at least a factor of ten or else they would be unable to be constantly doing the duties that they stated as doing on a constant basis.

Tl;dr the codex still stands as canon.

Kettu wrote:

However, the Codex is still the current one and as such, the fluff presented in it is canon until a new codex is released or the army is squatted.
Until then, What is listed in the rulebook is seen as secondary to the codex with the canon present in the codex as 'true' canon.
The much complained about codex Witch hunters states that there is six major orders and 'unknown' numbers of minor orders and that sisters are present as guards at nearly all Ecclesiarchy sites, patrol the pilgimage lanes, hunt lost artifacts, conduct all Wars of Faith and by the simple nature of these duties alone there is a fair few Sisters present in the galaxy. A damn sight more then Marines by at least a factor of ten or else they would be unable to be constantly doing the duties that they stated as doing on a constant basis.

Tl;dr the codex still stands as canon.

Except that the "current" Codex is no longer current. It is not being published. What GW is releasing is a PDF that contains none of the stuff you just mentioned.

By your own argument the new for free PDF is the latest source for cannon of which there is none contained. Therefore you go to the next most recent source for fluf/cannon history, which happens to be the big rule book.

Your much vaunted historical cannon is already retconned until the new codex is released.

In reply to your tl;dr I suggest Lurk Moar.

The Pan Fo could be reviled in the Xenos Codex.

Kettu wrote:The stuff about shoe-horning the Inquisition into the Sisters is complained about as it had no place in the codex and was a useless, half-arsed addition that did nothing for the army.

I disagree with you, but I won't take part in another thread highjacking by unhappy Sororitas players.

Kilkrazy wrote:The Pan Fo could be reviled in the Xenos Codex.

Pan Fo?

focusedfire wrote:

Except that the "current" Codex is no longer current. It is not being published. What GW is releasing is a PDF that contains none of the stuff you just mentioned.

By your own argument the new for free PDF is the latest source for cannon of which there is none contained. Therefore you go to the next most recent source for fluf/cannon history, which happens to be the big rule book.

Your much vaunted historical cannon is already retconned until the new codex is released.

In reply to your tl;dr I suggest Lurk Moar.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=11200008a&utm_source=VoxCaster&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=new-blog&utm_content=new-blog&utm_campaign=VoxCaster-New-Blog-Posts
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The other point that seems to be causing the most confusion is whether or not the PDF versions supersede the printed versions. They don't

And so GW has announced that the PDFs are not a replacement of the 3rd ed Codices and thus the fluff present in the codex still stands as current.

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@KamikazeCanuck;
Pan-fo are some old in joke on this site. Something about a fan-dex on some alien faction called Pan-fo.
I'm not really up to date on the details myself.

Pan Fo were not from Dakka, exclusively.

On the old GW forums, some 12 year old posted his home brewed army called "Pan-Fo". The codex was so incredibly difficult to read, horribly balanced, and basically a mishmash of bodily functions serving as weaponry and movement.

Kettu wrote:
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The other point that seems to be causing the most confusion is whether or not the PDF versions supersede the printed versions. They don't

And so GW has announced that the PDFs are not a replacement of the 3rd ed Codices and thus the fluff present in the codex still stands as current.

Hey thanks for the link, seriously. I just got a look at the BA and Tyranid Faqs, also. I will have to admit that their faq responses are getting better but am still annoyed that the Xenos Faq is difficult to read for some reason.

It is nice to know that they didn't hang the SoB and GK players out to dry.


I do feel that the earlier point is still somewhat valid in that the Codex is no longer in print and should not be considered a current source for fluff. The rules are still legal, but because there is a newer book in print giving you a different history that it is the history untill a newr codex is out.

What I think is funny is that what the BRB alludes to is pretty much what SoB/WH's have been asking for and they still blindly rage against the hinted change without even thinking about what this would imply for the army. By the small blurb it looks as though the Sisters will become the army for the Echliessiarcy and the Inquistion will be teamed purely with the GK's/DH's.

So what if they made the Sisters a bit more unique and special in the fluff, "Isn't that what the SoB's players have wanted?". Personally, I'm jazzed at the hint of armies hovering in the 100 model range. IMO, This tells me plastics and new dedicated sisters units. In other words. very good news for the Sisters.

What is people's problem with the SoB? I thought the WitchHunter codex was one of the more interesting ones. I like 40K because it does have political manuevering and Beauracratic problems. I find this more interesting and realistic than say "The dark side is bad". It also shed a lot of light on The Age of Apostasy: one of the Imperium most important periods and second biggest rebellion.
In fact its a little more interesting than the Horus Heresy because instead of originating from evil deamons from hell being evil it came from a failure to implement a separation of church and state edict. Something a little more relatable to us nowadays.

Honestly I don't think any of the choices really need their own codex. I'm thinking we have plenty as it is.

A Mecanius army would be awsome but way too easy to make over powered. Although I think it would be interesting to have a kind of Xeno based chaos army (Xeno cults/Xeno beast master type of thing) - lots of extra models one extra codex

Ordo Xenos.

Deathwatch squads for the win!

I see these guys as super specialized sternguard squads.

I think Kill teams are covered with SternGuard squads. The appeal of Ordo Xenos to me is actually having aliens in it. Maybe a dogs-of-war style mercenary army for radical Ordo Xenos guys.

Ailaros wrote:I voted for Xenos (perhaps rolled into a larger, single =I= codex), because there wasn't a write-in option

i reckon that would be a pretty fun army to play as, just running around yelling 'HERETIC! BURN THE HERETIC!!!!!'

Xenos Codex would be great and there are several ways they could be put together

Ordo Xenos would be a bit similar to the Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters IMO

But I'd personally love to see the Demuirg most because honestly I miss the Squats, sure their kinda goofy and don't fit the GrimDark tone of 40K but just like the New Chaos Dwarfs in Warhammer Forge are more serious and really cool models I think the Demuirg (or just generally a reintroduction of the Squats) could work well if done right

But the best choice would be an Xenos (only problem is theres not too many Sci-Fi cliches left, Killer Robots, Swarms of Bio Warriors, Genetically Modified Superhumans, Grey Aliens with uber tech and Tech Savages (who in this case happen to be green), I mean what does that leave us? Carnivorous plants and mind controlling brains, wait no, we have mind controlling brains, the Enslavers -_-)). Another possible idea is humans not aligned with the Imperium, such as the Interex, who IMO would make a great army

Slann! Space-Lizardmen/pseudo-Old Ones.

Not exactly sure how Ordo Xenos would work. They have Death Watch but will it just come off as another SM codex? They're elite but basically they're just going to be like Vanguard and SternGuard Veterens. Beyond that I guess Inquisitors or their henchmen could use alien weaponary like Shuriken weapons or Tau pulse rifles which would be pretty cool. Perhaps the the most radical ones could have alien allies like Kroot.

Thats true, I could see that happening. I voted for them though cuz I pictured the most B-A Tyranid veterans training a whole bunch of recruits to survive battles with the most vicous alien species. They could specialize in close combat when 'nids get to close.

Thats what I pictured anyways

ya, hadn't thought of that. Nid-hunter veterans aren't really needed anymore though because Tyranid are pretty wussy in their latest codex.

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this thread was long dead.

let it lie or start a new one

I'm pro thread necromancy! New people start topics that have already been covered all the time and then everyone hits them with "Your thread is fail". When an old one but a good one comes back people also cry foul for necromancy but at least with an old one veteran Dakkaites opinions are already on the record and they don't need to repeat themselves.

I really need to buy the new 'nid dex. What happened to them?

Their giant monsters aren't as giant or monsterous. A frikkin Trygon can be killed by lasguns. Who needs Ultramarine Special Forces when you got lasguns.

xXSir MontyXx wrote:I really need to buy the new 'nid dex. What happened to them?

IMHO the got pretty bad, my 'nid playing friend extremely dislikes it

mine too. He pretty much stopped playing because of it.

They did get kinda screwed, I mean they're still playable but it requires a complete list re-make

dang, he stopped playing??? That sucks! What is the fluff like if you know? Is it about the Ork's and leviathan?


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so monsterous creatures rule basically got downgraded? Thats bull! That was my favorite thing about the hive tyrant! I could send him into battle with a wraithlord and they would duke it out FOREVER!

xXSir MontyXx wrote:dang, he stopped playing??? That sucks! What is the fluff like if you know? Is it about the Ork's and leviathan?

AFAIK they didnt touch on it too much

More of the same I suppose: You got your Macragge, your Iyanden, Your Kryptman, all the usual stops.

My favorite part: An entire craftworld gets killed by one tyranid.

I Dont remember that in there