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I personally can't wait.

Considering the never-ending parade of gak that comes out of Hollywood anymore, I'm just excited to have a film to watch that has a bit to do with something that I care about.

Good for you. I agree.

plan 9 from outer space is not better than this space marine movie. The CGI, while not on the same scale as the DoW 1 intro, is still good.

burning_phoneix wrote:Actually, I think they're busy making a comic book CGI adaptation.

Or more awesome animated movies for MMO's that look nothing like the movie (Old Republic anyone?).

Huh, so Orks are the enemy.

Wow...such HATE for something that hasn't even COME OUT YET.

What about the cost of the ACTORS? Do you think that MAYBE, just MAYBE, that was a HUGE portion of the budget?

I, for one, am glad that they got GOOD talent to voice the movie. I've seen AMAZING animation get RUINED by bad voice acting.

Yes, I am not too happy with the look of the film, but a good story and good acting can mitigate a LOT of bad animation.

You know what I think? I think people are ticked off because it is a GW product. Plain and simple.

Over and over again, on this site, people spit nothing but venom at GW.

I hate this, or I hate that.

"It's Space Marines! I hate Space Marines!!! HURRR!!!"

"Why can't it be about Squats!?!"

"If I were in charge, I would..."

You know what? If you all hate GW products, management choices, or the "IP protection" tactics that GW employs...then STOP PLAYING THE GAME.

Dang, you all make me want to leave this site for other places where people actually LIKE our hobby.

Just once, I would like to see a topic on this site where people actually felt good about a GW product. Where posters were actually EXCITED about something that GW was going to put out.

Instead, I have to read through 16 "I hate GW" posts, before I can get to the ONE post that actually has something beneficial to say.

CaptainLoken wrote:Wow...such HATE for something that hasn't even COME OUT YET.

What about the cost of the ACTORS? Do you think that MAYBE, just MAYBE, that was a HUGE portion of the budget?

I, for one, am glad that they got GOOD talent to voice the movie. I've seen AMAZING animation get RUINED by bad voice acting.

Yes, I am not too happy with the look of the film, but a good story and good acting can mitigate a LOT of bad animation.

You know what I think? I think people are ticked off because it is a GW product. Plain and simple.

Over and over again, on this site, people spit nothing but venom at GW.

I hate this, or I hate that.

"It's Space Marines! I hate Space Marines!!! HURRR!!!"

"Why can't it be about Squats!?!"

"If I were in charge, I would..."

You know what? If you all hate GW products, management choices, or the "IP protection" tactics that GW employs...then STOP PLAYING THE GAME.

Dang, you all make me want to leave this site for other places where people actually LIKE our hobby.

Just once, I would like to see a topic on this site where people actually felt good about a GW product. Where posters were actually EXCITED about something that GW was going to put out.

Instead, I have to read through 16 "I hate GW" posts, before I can get to the ONE post that actually has something beneficial to say.

So, what you're saying is.....you want to go to a place where people say nothing but good things about the company you support.....interesting.

I think you're guilty of placing the context of the "negative" posts in a black and white scenario, those who say good things love GW and those who say the trailer is crap hate GW.....what you need to consider, at least from my comments, is that I'm judging a piece of work that has been placed, purposefully, in my lap to be judged! thats what a trailer is for....do you understand that point? If the trailer was awesome, what would be the vested interests of anyone to state otherwise (yes, I know there are trolls out there...) but you'd recognise a troll, simply by the fact that they couldn't back up their statements!

I have backed up my statement by showing you alternative animated Sci Fi shorts and recommending other animated Sci Fi films for comparrison! Now, good a good film is a matter of opinion....and if you really like the quality of the trailer, then nobody can tell you that you are wrong, or a you're fan boi, etc etc....however, at the same time, what gives you the grounds to simply label everyone who is not impressed by the trailer as a GW hater?!?!? this forum is for debate, so simply debate your point, explain why you think its good.....pose a counter opinion....but for the love of god, don't go round stating that everyone is a GW hater, because they have nothing good to say about a product! thats childish and adds nothing to the conversation.

Where ever you go, people will have different opinoins to you, learn to live with this! and learn to debate. No one is asking you to change your mind, so simply respect the views of others....that way you will enjoy the forums.

Iv worked in the 3D industry but mainly as a character animator. I know enough about 3D to face palm when I watch that UM video.

Bad (facial) animation, bad modeling (most anyway), bad camera angles, bad design...

Im just going to stay positive and hope when it does come out many of the bugs (the whole thing) will have been fixed. I have faith in the Emperor though. GW won't let us down.

Im sure the kiddies will like it though.

Loken, I assume there's some reason (or reasons) you want to watch a Warhammer 40,000 movie.

Is it to listen to a voiceover describing the 41st Millenium?
Is it to listen to some old guy in powered armour talk?
Is it to watch Space Marines standing there shooting at nothing in particular?
Is it to watch Space Marines get shot by nothing in particular and fall over dead?

No? Then perhaps you'll understand why a trailer that does not contain humour, intrigue or badassery fails to inspire confidence.

I'm sure I've said it in a previous post, over the years we as gamers have all said "wow how cool would it be for a 40k movie to be made." Now they've made one everyone is slating it!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't understand. I for one am really looking forward to this coming out and have already made space on my already groaning and full dvd shelves for this, the first official 40k movie of all time!!!!!!!!!! so there :p

A certain amount of fanboy venom is always expected by the industries that cater to them.

Take film for example. It's a joke to them.

The Internet is a communication tool used the world over where people can come together to bitch about movies and share pornography with one another. -Holden, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back

This thread has become moviepoopchute.com

darthmatty wrote:I'm sure I've said it in a previous post, over the years we as gamers have all said "wow how cool would it be for a 40k movie to be made." Now they've made one everyone is slating it!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't understand. I for one am really looking forward to this coming out and have already made space on my already groaning and full dvd shelves for this, the first official 40k movie of all time!!!!!!!!!! so there :p

Indeed. I'm surprised that all those fans of Avatar complained when Shyamalan released Last Airbender. They should be grateful that a movie got made at all, the ingrates! They should all just shut up and buy the movie!

Simonbarsinistr wrote:This thread has become moviepoopchute.com

It's all it ever was.

Laughing Man wrote:

darthmatty wrote:I'm sure I've said it in a previous post, over the years we as gamers have all said "wow how cool would it be for a 40k movie to be made." Now they've made one everyone is slating it!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't understand. I for one am really looking forward to this coming out and have already made space on my already groaning and full dvd shelves for this, the first official 40k movie of all time!!!!!!!!!! so there :p

Indeed. I'm surprised that all those fans of Avatar complained when Shyamalan released Last Airbender. They should be grateful that a movie got made at all, the ingrates! They should all just shut up and buy the movie!

I think the point is that maybe the nerdrage could wait until we've seen the movie. The cast in this film is amazing, so maybe it will be a more character driven story. I know that won't sit well with a lot of the the "BAWWW I LIKE EXPLODY MOVIE" crowd though.

Monster Rain wrote:I think the point is that maybe the nerdrage could wait until we've seen the movie. The cast in this film is amazing, so maybe it will be a more character driven story. I know that won't sit well with a lot of the the "BAWWW I LIKE EXPLODY MOVIE" crowd though.

Then perhaps the trailer ought to have emphasized that, rather than a thousand shots of Ultramarines dying to glancing hits to the chest.

Laughing Man wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:I think the point is that maybe the nerdrage could wait until we've seen the movie. The cast in this film is amazing, so maybe it will be a more character driven story. I know that won't sit well with a lot of the the "BAWWW I LIKE EXPLODY MOVIE" crowd though.

Then perhaps the trailer ought to have emphasized that, rather than a thousand shots of Ultramarines dying to glancing hits to the chest.

The heroes dying in droves is grimdark, n'cest pas?

Also, John Hurt doing the voice over in the trailer is enough to get me to watch the movie.

I want to say that I speak from personal experience of having at least tried to do the only previous attempt at an official GW movie: BloodQuest. There's a very low quality copy of our early teaser somewhere on youtube.

Back in the late 90's I worked on a series called Roughnecks: The Starship Troopers Chronicles. One of the big problems with it was that it was going on air at a time that meant it had to be suitable for SEVEN year olds. I'm not joking! So while it had its moments, it was eviscerated before it even began.

Roughnecks was done for approximately $300K per half hour episode (actually 22 minutes allowing for credits and ads), with perhaps 10% "money shots" and the rest "good enough". I figured we could do a one-hour TV movie for a million dollars as a proof of concept and go on from there.

In light of the experience that lead to, I think there are a whole range of things that need to be considered.

First and foremost is that GW have turned down endless offers of high-budget big studio productions because they didn't want to sell out.

When I approached them back in 1999, they send me what was known in-house as the "F--- off and die" letter. This was basically a list of all the things they would never allow, e.g. happy meals, lunchboxes, space marines with girlfriends, etc, etc, etc.

They made it very clear that they would rather have a hardcore "R" rated film that made no money than compromise the fluff and make a boatload of cash. This wasn't entirely altruistic - their reasoning was that toning it down for the sake of a "PG" certificate would dilute the very essence of "there is only war".

We dealt with their objections one by one and eventually agreed in early 2000, on an option to do BloodQuest.

I remember threads just like this on Dakka at the time. I remember spending hours here winning over the "Doubting Thomases". There was one guy who phoned the Chairman of GW in England to tear him a new one, then phoned back to say that actually we were okay people and maybe it would be a decent movie after all.

The long and short of it is that the events of 9/11 put us back significantly and then Final Fantasy came along and pretty much killed us completely. My business partner and I almost bankrupted ourselves, and I destroyed my health.

It still galls me that we couldn't pull it off. I had tears in my eyes when I saw the first Dawn of War intro, because it was very much the kind of look we hoped to achieve - although even now I still think my 10-year old Dreadnought was better than theirs!

Incidentally, an old render of my LandRaider is in my "welcome to dakka" thread.

On a final note, my opinion of GW improved 1,000,000% as a result of my dealings with them. They're good people.

As to this one? I'd say give it a chance. I don't know their timetable or how representative what we've seen so far is of the end product. I am, however, 100% sure that none of the Space Marines will have girlfriends or pet bunny rabbits, and that you won't see any Ultramarines: The Movie happy meals or lunchboxes...

Simon Coombs

CaptainLoken wrote:Wow...such HATE for something that hasn't even COME OUT YET.

Calm down son. I'm basing all my opinions simply on the trailer. I make no assumptions of the quality of the final product. I think that, from the trailer, the movie looks lame. The voices seem detached from the people speaking, an the animation looks jerky and unprofessional. It may change when the final release comes out, but given that all we have to judge so far is the trailer, how can I say I like it when I don't?


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BloodQuest wrote:Back in the late 90's I worked on a series called Roughnecks: The Starship Troopers Chronicles. One of the big problems with it was that it was going on air at a time that meant it had to be suitable for SEVEN year olds. I'm not joking! So while it had its moments, it was eviscerated before it even began.

That show ruled!!! I was so sad that you guys didn't get to do the final episodes.

And some of the shots from Bloodquest, not that there were many, looked fine. I remember the movement of the Marines was a little awkward (but no one had made Marines animate before, and they were early shots), but the space shots looked fantastic.

H.B.M.C. wrote:That show ruled!!! I was so sad that you guys didn't get to do the final episodes.

Thanks! I have truly come to hate Sony over the years. I never saw the last few episodes - I think it ended with a clip show, didn't it?

H.B.M.C. wrote:And some of the shots from Bloodquest ... looked fine. I remember the movement of the Marines was a little awkward (but no one had made Marines animate before, and they were early shots), but the space shots looked fantastic.

Yes, we did the motion-capture and it looked great, but the file got corrupted before the final render got done so we basically had to rotoscope the preview to recreate the animation in time for some deadline or other.

I really would love to revisit it at some point. Maybe tart up some of the old models and do some texturing on them.

Simon

@ BloodQuest

Sorry to hear that your creation never came off, even more sad to hear that it affected your health.

Obviously, my comments before were and are based on the trailer.....but I feel I need to question your statements about GW's attitude when it comes to the whole PG rating etc. I don't doubt the truth of your statements, it just seems, well, unlike GW, especially when you consider they're games and books.

The WH40k game is so obviously aimed at children, it hurts, so on what grounds do / could they justify that their films should be aimed at adults?!? In terms of the "F**k off and die" letter, well, I wish they would issue a similar "do's and dont's" to their novel writers, wouldn't that be awesome, books that actually followed a set of WH40K rules, and not the fevered drivel the writer wakes up with that day and scrawls on paper!

Delephont wrote:In terms of the "F**k off and die" letter, well, I wish they would issue a similar "do's and dont's" to their novel writers, wouldn't that be awesome, books that actually followed a set of WH40K rules, and not the fevered drivel the writer wakes up with that day and scrawls on paper!

Actually that did happen. After C.S. Goto's line of books, Black Library got itself a good set of rules to stop anything like his books ever happening again.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Delephont wrote:In terms of the "F**k off and die" letter, well, I wish they would issue a similar "do's and dont's" to their novel writers, wouldn't that be awesome, books that actually followed a set of WH40K rules, and not the fevered drivel the writer wakes up with that day and scrawls on paper!

Actually that did happen. After C.S. Goto's line of books, Black Library got itself a good set of rules to stop anything like his books ever happening again.

Seriously? How did you find out about that?....I mean, this is big news! Are they ( Black Library ) discounting C.S. Gotos work as non cannon? whats the deal......tell tell tell.....

I don't have the specific details because I've not read into them all that much. You're better off asking in the Black Library thread. There are numerous mentions of the 'draconian' rules that BL writers now apparently have to follow.

BloodQuest wrote:I want to say that I speak from personal experience.....
Simon Coombs

Thanks a lot for posting Simon.
Being a (LW)3D guy myself I followed Bloodquest production news pretty closely and was pretty disappointed when you ceased production.
Pleased to hear you're up on your feet again, the news sounded pretty dire when BQ shut down.

I think it's pretty hard for anyone outside film to realise how hard it is to get any project on its feet and how much work is involved.
It's also unbelievably easy for projects to fall over as well.

BloodQuest wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:That show ruled!!! I was so sad that you guys didn't get to do the final episodes.

Thanks! I have truly come to hate Sony over the years. I never saw the last few episodes - I think it ended with a clip show, didn't it?
Simon

It did end with a kind of montage episode, celebrating the life+death of Razack. But that one episode never actually aired, and you can only get it on the DVD set.

Evilgnome wrote:Being a (LW)3D guy myself I followed Bloodquest production news pretty closely and was pretty disappointed when you ceased production.
Pleased to hear you're up on your feet again, the news sounded pretty dire when BQ shut down.

I think it's pretty hard for anyone outside film to realise how hard it is to get any project on its feet and how much work is involved.
It's also unbelievably easy for projects to fall over as well.

If you're a lightwave user, you might want to check out my website - lots of thrilling stuff about screamernet and a number of plugins to download - link on my profile page.

It really is a nightmare getting these things done, and pretty depressing when you see some of the gak that actually makes it!

True stories:

At one pitch meeting, we'd explained that if Leonatos failed then thousands of planets and untold billions of lives would be at stake, blah, blah, blah. The exec says "But what's his motivation?" He really felt that we needed some back story about Leonatos coming from a broken home or some such BS.

After 9/11 we were told no-one wanted "war stories", but did we have anything for a gay/lesbian audience.

Later still a senior exec at Sony vetoed a deal because he had previously approached GW and been knocked back. His attitude was "if I didn't get to make a 40K movie, why should you?"

Sad, but true.

Simon

Some people are just hopeless, aren't they?

BloodQuest wrote:At one pitch meeting, we'd explained that if Leonatos failed then thousands of planets and untold billions of lives would be at stake, blah, blah, blah. The exec says "But what's his motivation?" He really felt that we needed some back story about Leonatos coming from a broken home or some such BS.

It's as if they cannot grasp the concept that someone would decide fighting an enemy is the right thing to do, without personal circumstance clouding their judgement.

After 9/11 we were told no-one wanted "war stories", but did we have anything for a gay/lesbian audience.

We're men. We always want "war stories". As for gays and lesbians... they're men and women like everyone else. As long as you aren't shoehorning heterosexual romances into everything, they should like it just fine.

BloodQuest wrote:
If you're a lightwave user, you might want to check out my website - lots of thrilling stuff about screamernet and a number of plugins to download - link on my profile page.

It really is a nightmare getting these things done, and pretty depressing when you see some of the gak that actually makes it!

True stories:

At one pitch meeting, we'd explained that if Leonatos failed then thousands of planets and untold billions of lives would be at stake, blah, blah, blah. The exec says "But what's his motivation?" He really felt that we needed some back story about Leonatos coming from a broken home or some such BS.

After 9/11 we were told no-one wanted "war stories", but did we have anything for a gay/lesbian audience.

Later still a senior exec at Sony vetoed a deal because he had previously approached GW and been knocked back. His attitude was "if I didn't get to make a 40K movie, why should you?"

Sad, but true.

Simon

It's so tough to get things going, with so little trust. I guess people with $ think they know what sells, even when they don't.

The irony is when something truly edgy succeeds the same people who wouldn't back it because of their own lack of imagination then back copycat productions.

I checked the LW plugs, I'll have to take a closer look for next time I use LW in production.

PS: Marines would appeal to a Gay audience wouldn't they....... ducks for cover...

BloodQuest wrote:

Evilgnome wrote:Being a (LW)3D guy myself I followed Bloodquest production news pretty closely and was pretty disappointed when you ceased production.
Pleased to hear you're up on your feet again, the news sounded pretty dire when BQ shut down.

I think it's pretty hard for anyone outside film to realise how hard it is to get any project on its feet and how much work is involved.
It's also unbelievably easy for projects to fall over as well.

If you're a lightwave user, you might want to check out my website - lots of thrilling stuff about screamernet and a number of plugins to download - link on my profile page.

It really is a nightmare getting these things done, and pretty depressing when you see some of the gak that actually makes it!

True stories:

At one pitch meeting, we'd explained that if Leonatos failed then thousands of planets and untold billions of lives would be at stake, blah, blah, blah. The exec says "But what's his motivation?" He really felt that we needed some back story about Leonatos coming from a broken home or some such BS.

After 9/11 we were told no-one wanted "war stories", but did we have anything for a gay/lesbian audience.

Later still a senior exec at Sony vetoed a deal because he had previously approached GW and been knocked back. His attitude was "if I didn't get to make a 40K movie, why should you?"

Sad, but true.

Simon

This is soo funny. It reminds me of the range of Orange Mobile Phone adds you see when you go to the Cinema....you know, the ones where famous actors approach Orange for funding on their next project, and the Orange Exec do everything they can to change it and make it all about Orange Mobile Phones....

Reading your experiences makes me think those "interviews" must be more based on real life then I previously thought

I mean, the motivation thing I can understand to a point.....yes, there are billions of lives at stake, but why does this individual care?...yes, we know, because he's been vetted by his Chapter and it is his Emporer given duty to care! Thousands of hours of indoctrination will have that effect on you I guess.....but would someone coming into WH40K via a movie grasp this point quickly enough to accept it?!?!

Gay and Lesbian though, really? I mean, why should someones sexual orientation have anything to do with anything.....to be honest, I belive that the Primarch of the Emporers Children was homosexual (from the books), but, it doesn't come up as a definate, and being a hetersexual male, I personally didn't need to go there directly (no disrespect to our homosexual members, its just not part of my group of interests)

from a 3d animators point of view, the animation is stale there is no movement when they talk, BUT they have avoided the zombie eyes that so many cgi films end up with