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I think the main point here is that if you want a pair of lascannons and a scoring unit in a transport, get yourself a Las Predator to babysit a Tac squad in a Rhino. It's cheaper and puts out more shots.

@Nurgz - That's a fair comment. To be honest, i'd never put a tactical squad in a LR (of any variant). Land raiders are for shuttling terminators and sword brethern

On my Custom Land Raider Design:

2 TL plasma cannon sponsons
1 Frontal Battle cannon
2 Sponson mounted Auto cannons

NuggzTheNinja wrote:I think the main point here is that if you want a pair of lascannons and a scoring unit in a transport, get yourself a Las Predator to babysit a Tac squad in a Rhino. It's cheaper and puts out more shots.

And watch them both get obliterated with Missiles and Autocannons? Lollerskates!

Seriously though, a scoring land raider isn't the reason to take one, but it's a good use for it after it's dropped of the goods.

Monster Rain wrote:Seriously though, a scoring land raider isn't the reason to take one, but it's a good use for it after it's dropped of the goods.

QFT.

Monster Rain wrote:

NuggzTheNinja wrote:I think the main point here is that if you want a pair of lascannons and a scoring unit in a transport, get yourself a Las Predator to babysit a Tac squad in a Rhino. It's cheaper and puts out more shots.

And watch them both get obliterated with Missiles and Autocannons? Lollerskates!

Seriously though, a scoring land raider isn't the reason to take one, but it's a good use for it after it's dropped of the goods.

Didn't we establish that like 4 pages ago?

xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

NuggzTheNinja wrote:I think the main point here is that if you want a pair of lascannons and a scoring unit in a transport, get yourself a Las Predator to babysit a Tac squad in a Rhino. It's cheaper and puts out more shots.

And watch them both get obliterated with Missiles and Autocannons? Lollerskates!

Seriously though, a scoring land raider isn't the reason to take one, but it's a good use for it after it's dropped of the goods.

Didn't we establish that like 4 pages ago?

We did. I was just reiterating it for someone who missed it, apparently.

This has been a very informative thread. It's not always easy to visualise the multiple applications of a land raider given a particular army list.

I still wish we got redeemers though - I do prefer the crusader, but it couldn't hurt to try it out with my BT's.

Once the redeemer closes its weapon is devastating. The godhammer lascannons are subpar at any range. Yes you can get melted up close if you're worried about that don't run land raiders. It's a transport it gets close. Sitting back and shooting lascannons is a miserable use of the points, taking pot shots on the way in is just that - taking pot shots. You're much better off devastating a whole infantry squad than you are hoping and praying that 1 lascannon shot will kill it's target against all odds. I mean I wish I could get you lascannon guys to appreciate how pitiful the odds of actually killing a vehicle with it are. If the target is in cover it's 1 in 6 if you hit if you penetrate. Get with it. Lascannons blow. AF

liam0404 wrote:I still wish we got redeemers though - I do prefer the crusader, but it couldn't hurt to try it out with my BT's.

Run your BTs as Vanilla Marines and see how you like it!

If I need one reason to say why the Phobos is good, it's because it is the only one that can kill Monoliths. Also, it will not be vulnerable to melta as often as the others will. What is it's best use? Providing support for a Tactical Terminator (as opposed to Assault Terminator) squads, typically with heavy flamers. They can kill lots of infantry, but when the big bad tank comes, they won't need to waste an assault on it, whereas otherwise they would need to.

Monster Rain wrote:

liam0404 wrote:I still wish we got redeemers though - I do prefer the crusader, but it couldn't hurt to try it out with my BT's.

Run your BTs as Vanilla Marines and see how you like it!

I think running BT as BA would be better

Suped up Chaplain HQ's and Red Thirst rules seem to make an ok proxy

AbaddonFidelis wrote:Get with it. Lascannons blow. AF

While we are on lascannons. So how do you feel about vendettas? I know it's not a land raider but you say that the phobos sucks mostly due to it's lascannons (the TL-HB is also subpar I admit, feels more like an afterthought).

AbaddonFidelis wrote:Once the redeemer closes its weapon is devastating. The godhammer lascannons are subpar at any range. Yes you can get melted up close if you're worried about that don't run land raiders. It's a transport it gets close. Sitting back and shooting lascannons is a miserable use of the points, taking pot shots on the way in is just that - taking pot shots. You're much better off devastating a whole infantry squad than you are hoping and praying that 1 lascannon shot will kill it's target against all odds. I mean I wish I could get you lascannon guys to appreciate how pitiful the odds of actually killing a vehicle with it are. If the target is in cover it's 1 in 12 if you hit if you penetrate. Get with it. Lascannons blow. AF

Hi broken record. I see we have still been unable to turn you off.

Everyone knows your opinion. You don't have to keep spamming the thread every time someone offers up their opinion.

Your assertion that lascannons blow completely incorrect. Its no surprise that you can't figure out that they are good at damaging vehicles, you can't even do simple math. If the target is in cover and you have already got your hit and penetrate, its a 1/6 chance to destroy it (2/6 chance to destroy multiplied by 1/2 chance for cover to negate).

Cover affects metaguns and lascannons the same, so I don't see why you are including it in your analysis at all anyways.

Its hard to explain to you why the lascannons are good, because you completely take range out of your thinking. Most people can see why this is a mistake, but you are just going to go on playing your broken record.

You also have to remember, that hiding a Land Raider Phobos away in the back increases its survivability a LOT. Hiding in the back means that melta equipped infantry can't really get to it very easily, not can melta bomb armed assault units. For Imperial factions that means you need a really lucky lascannon or artillery shot to take it out.

I do believe there was a nice article on dakka which explains exactly why the normal Land Raider is a decent vehicle in its own right...

ChrisWWII wrote:You also have to remember, that hiding a Land Raider Phobos away in the back increases its survivability a LOT. Hiding in the back means that melta equipped infantry can't really get to it very easily, not can melta bomb armed assault units. For Imperial factions that means you need a really lucky lascannon or artillery shot to take it out.

I do believe there was a nice article on dakka which explains exactly why the normal Land Raider is a decent vehicle in its own right...

QFT.

Though I bet someone will say this: drop pod with sternies and combi-meltas will kill it.

Also you may not wanna charge the enemy as soon as you can, sometimes (read: a lot) you may want to hang back a little bit and let them come to you, shoot them on the way, AND then you get out and beat face. Who you say? Orkz. Certain Nid lists. And generally other Land Raiders.

Oh well of course a drop pod with fancy meltas can kill it....but by then we're really getting far away from the original thing about the land raider. There are LOTS of ways you can kill a land raider easier than a ridic lucky lascannon shot. The IG can shoot it with a Medusa, or drop a Manticore rocket on it. The Tau can blast it with railguns. Space Marines can drop pod. Eldar can lance it to death....

Land Raiders aren't invincible, not by a long shot. Getting them closer, really just makes them more vulnerable....something AF needs to grasp.

On a side note, it's not fair to call him a troll. He'd be a troll if he was making crap up to piss us off. I think he's telling us he really believes....those things are just really fething stupid.

Chris, your reasons for saying why the land raider isn't the best at movement are my main argument as to why it should have its points cost lowered slightly

liam0404 wrote:Chris, your reasons for saying why the land raider isn't the best at movement are my main argument as to why it should have its points cost lowered slightly

Thank you. But still, I'm in favor of keeping its cost high as an AV14 all around METAL BAWX can still absorb a HUGE amount of fire before dieing. If we were to start dropping its cost, I would demand that its armor value be lowered, at least on the rear section. The Land Raider spam is still devastating, even if it does get easier to kill them while they get closer, and I don't see a reason to make it easier to do.

I have to completely agree with you, ChrisWWII, since I would hate to see an LR in 500 points with tacticals (normally the only thing you can do is two groups of 5 scouts, and 1 captain. Then, the land raider.

What happens if I destroy a Redeemer using a normal Land Raider from across the table?

Always a possibility

I think we have all lost the point of this post.. The man asked which would be best to transport assualt terminators, not which land raider is the best to use all around, The guys probably thinking to himself (god i didn't mean to start a war) i mean some of you guys are really getting to each others throats with this

liam0404 wrote:Here's a slightly off topic one - at a cost of... approx 265 points, what would you put on your landraider if you had:

-2 Sponsons
-1 Front weapon
-2 pintle mounted weapons

Imperial/CSM guns only!

2 plasma cannon sponsons
Demolisher cannon or reaper autocannon
2 combi-meltas

Well... I transport my lovely Vulkan He'Stan with a veterans squad in a heavily upgraded redeemer and hunt for enemy CQB threats.

If I used a crusader, I would maybe use it with a large squad of terminators and get it in place fast. I could counter any vehicle type.

If I used the standard, I would probably put anything in it that would harm tanks in close combat. Maybe CQB terminators, but I haven't thought out the tactic alot yet.