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Right guys. Brought my ticket for the April throne of skulls yesterday. I have decided I'm taking my guard again but this time it is 1500 again not 1750.

I will write up the list I'm taking at some point but at the minute I'm play testing a few changes.

I have mounted heavy flamers on the hulls of all my chimeras instead of heavy bolters. I have not tested this much but from experience there have been so many time when Ive needed them and the heavy bolters never do that much anyway as the chimeras are rarely static. Having them flamers makes them very daunting to assault troops though as my mate found out with his dark eldar.

I am testing autocannons on 2 of my four sentinels. I have noticed that in games where it is not viable to have my sentinels outflank often multi lasers just done cut it with their 36inch range and strength 6. So losing 2 shots but getting strength 7 will make one squad a bit more flexible for me and they will be more of a threat to heavy side armour tanks to. Im looking at vendettas and storm ravens when I say that.

Now here is the big one. I am thinking of swapping one leman russ and replacing it with a pair of hydra flak tanks and a fleet officer. This is a big swap for me as I love my leman russ so much and have always been dead against hydras. But I have seen that my leman russ although they dont often die also dont often make much of a dent in the game. With the massive amount of skimmers in the game now I was thinking the 2 hydras might be worth a shot?

Anyway here is a couple of pics of the chimera heavy flamers and the sentinel autocannons.









Giant autocannons

Anyway guys I really need some help with these changes. Thoughts are most welcome.

I'm certainly not a pro at list perfectorizing, but the flamer upgrade sounds logical (enough so that I'm now thinking about swapping mine ). I don't agree with your assesment of the Leman Russ, though. They have always more than made up their points when I use them (though I am a bit of a novice IG general). Now, your assesment of the LRBT is a totally different matter than swapping in the Hydras. On that note, I have absolutely nothing to contribute I rock ACs on my sentinels. GREAT multipurpose loadout, imho. Had to make due with some HWT ACs though I see Misplace the standard sentinel ones?

Good luck at Throne of Skulls and keep up the great work!
Rawson

Yeah I couldnt find them these look a little different anyway which is cool. I like over the top things.

Ive been playing guard for about 10 years now and I love the leman russ. I would never use anything other than the normal battle tank. But time and time again they dont have a massive impact on games. They kill gak dont get me wrong and they are a real hard point unit that people find hard to punch through. But in todays game which is just so full of super fast cover save lightly armoured skimmers I was just thinking that maybe the hydras would help me plug a gap. Dont get me wrong many vendettas have been shot down by battle cannon rounds which is bloody brilliant but its not what they are really for (infantry suppression being their strong point).

How do you use your russ and what weapons do you mount on them?

Truffle wrote:Ive been playing guard for about 10 years now and I love the leman russ. I would never use anything other than the normal battle tank. But time and time again they dont have a massive impact on games. They kill gak dont get me wrong and they are a real hard point unit that people find hard to punch through. But in todays game which is just so full of super fast cover save lightly armoured skimmers I was just thinking that maybe the hydras would help me plug a gap. Dont get me wrong many vendettas have been shot down by battle cannon rounds which is bloody brilliant but its not what they are really for (infantry suppression being their strong point).

How do you use your russ and what weapons do you mount on them?

Well you trump me in experience! I've recently made the switch to IG from Space Marines and Space Wolves. Certainly takes some getting used to!

I'm with you: I only run your standard LRBT (I just think they have the most bang for the buck, and there is better ways to accomplish what the other platforms offer). I typically take the front HB and usually spring for the HB sponsons. I know a lot of people say it's a waste of points, but, as you said, they're hot at infantry suppression and 9 HB shots suppresses a lot of infantry! It's tricky sometimes to manouver the LRBT to be able to utilize the HBs, but I've had some good success with it.

Same here mate I cant see the point in russ without sponsons. They sit still and just gak bullets at the enemy. They can bring down light tanks without a thought and rip men to bits. In most cases my heavy bolters do far more damage than the main guns.

But they LOOK soo cool with autocannons!

Cant take auto cannon chimeras to throne of skulls its a forge world rule set.

Great work! Nice to see the whole army. I'm still not sure about those pig Iron heads but they work well in this army. I now see about the purple theme, looked a bit more pink on the Baneblade though.

Yeah its cos the baneblade wires are so thin.

Had 3 games today testing the changes 2 against my mates demon army and 1 against tau.

The auto cannon sentinels failed nearly all the time and did nothing multi lasers would not. Im scrapping them. I had a game with them last week as well in which they also did nothing.

Heavy flamers although not in their element today did just as much as the bolters would of these will be kept for certain.

Plasma gun veterans. I still seem to be having anti tank problems with situations like tanks getting real close to the vets and I am either just blowing my own men up or they arnt doing anything. After all this time I am starting to think maybe melta guns would be a better bet. I never thought I would say that. Really need some out side views here.

If I take out the 6 plasma guns and change for melta guns and change the auto cannons back to multi lasers I will have 45 points going spare. "already had a lose 5 floating around"

Ideas guys? I was thinking a 5th sentinel and heavy bolters on the vendetta.

Still thinking about swapping a leman russ out for 2 hydras. But really don't know if I can take losing one of my armour 14 fire base's

I really need some outside thoughts here guys as Im in a little bit of a rut.

I've heard that Hydras are cool and cheap! I would go with the multi meltas as they will hurt less! Extra sentinel allways good!

Multi meltas?

Hydra tanks are cheap because they are piss easy to kill thats my concern :(

I think he meant meltaguns

Yeah I should off seen that

who else votes melta?

Truffle wrote:who else votes melta?

I do. Mostly 'cause I hate killing my own troops with plasma but they also cost less than plasma. You trade ROF and range for strength, but if I recall correctly, you've been having problems with tanks getting too close, yeah?

Meltas are the proverbial "sliced bread" of the current 40k edition, and unfortunately almost the only way to stay competitive with IG by spamming meltavet squads.

Yep meant melta guns.

Right guys It looks like I will be ordering a couple of forgeworld melta squads then. (they cost les than the shity metal ones.

Any more thoughts on the rest?

I converted my own meltas from CoD bitz and flamer bodies, because I was short of them at the time.

No need to order more, unles of course you want to

ugh that pic is GAK, I can take a better-focused pic for you later or do a quick tut If you are interested.

Its a pain in the arse converting guard to hold decent looking guns as the hands are part of the gun.

I have ordered 2 forge world hazard teams with melta guns. That will give me the 6 meltas and some funky parts i can sell to make the money back.

naa, if Cadians, just slice the hand at the sleeve, if Catachans, slice wherever.

Nearly all the cadian hands are part of the lasgun so its a faff with the exception of one hand. Its mute anyway I have no spare meta guns to put in their hands


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On a totally different note I have added an ID number to the old plasma leman russ hull that wont be used in throne of skulls any more. Mounted a nice plasma turret onto it and done gun burn on the plasma cannons so its ready for some apoc games.











Would never use this over a normal russ in a tournament but it is one of the many imperial tanks I own that all need doing for some massive games in probably many years

looks good, i like the effect on the barrel, and i think that the pink plasma coils go really well with the tanks colors

Thanks chap. I think the burn on this is the best looking anyy of the tanks has

Ok big update today. Firstly the guys in the painting a modelling showcase forum have asked for a step by step painting guide to my tanks. With this is mind I have sniffed out another of my imperial guard tanks, a forge world vanquisher with extra side skirts in this case and paint stripped rebuilt updated and base coated it ready to start the guide.

Also today my forgeworld melta guns arrived. These were a state. I have taken pics of them in the box so you can see how they come. I have washed them cut their heads of and replaced them with pig iron heads and given them legs and all the repair work they needed to be ready for a base spray.

So firstly here are a load of pics of the tank.



This is its old paint job.





This is after the first paint strip.









Thats after the second.







Thats after a clean and repair work. I also removed the storage unit next to the engine as it was full of gak and it looks better without it in that state.









And here we are ready to be painted.


Ok so the melta guns. Terrible state these were in. Forge worlds bad but gak me



This was what they came like. I thought the heads backpacks and heads were seperate so this gave me the instant problem of head removing. As it happens that was very easy and they came off in one bit so I now have some very cool cadian heads in can sell

One model had a real issue





You might want to click on these 2 photos to get a bigger look at the melta gun. As you can see it had a rather big split.



I am not the best with greenstuff but it is now smooth and flat so when painted the fact that it was total gak should be hidden up a bit.



Here is a snap of the models with their new heads.



And finally a quick snap of them fully built after I dug out some legs.

So guys comments as always please. Hope these things were not a waste of money.

If you still have the bag with the lot#, FW will send you a free replacement.

I might just look into that thanks.

Right guys. Been working on that vanquisher a bit. Took a load of pics of each colour stage for the guide but there is no point posting them here so I will go with the pictures of how far it has gotten.





A very wip tank at the minute but once the metal is done it will come together quickly. CC?

I'm liking it so far. Are the high lights dry brushed?

Yes mate all drybrushed. Im a speed painter so I dont do hard line highlighting on anything. The whole army is drybrushing and washing apart from things like the company stripes.

And a damn fine job you do at that sir!

LOL thanks mate