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Alpharius wrote:"Marine Equivalent" - basically anything with a 3+ save and, maybe, T4.

No, MEQ is generally 4 across the board for physical stats (S/T/I) and a 3+ save. A 3+ save alone does not make MEQ (and never has-- unless you're going to say that Eldar is MEQ because it has some 3+ saves? ).

Melissia wrote:

Alpharius wrote:"Marine Equivalent" - basically anything with a 3+ save and, maybe, T4.

No, MEQ is generally 4 across the board for physical stats (S/T/I) and a 3+ save. A 3+ save alone does not make MEQ (and never has-- unless you're going to say that Eldar is MEQ because it has some 3+ saves? ).

You always know better, dont you?

Alpharius' definition of MEQ may or may not be correct, depending on the aspect you are looking at. You are jut trying to start a fight.

Dude, don't counter Troll with Trolling, lest it appear to be yourself just trying to start a fight.

Now back on topic, if that's not too hard work.

Personally, I'm looking forward to the release of Grey Knights. If the Dark Eldar Quality Factor continues onwards, we're in for a treat!

Mr Mystery offers good advice - it is best to avoid Trolls altogether. When left unfed, they usually go away.

However, IF you feel there's a Troll about, just use the Mod Alert button.

Anyway, MEQ armies are widely held to be those that have a majority of 3+ armor saves. The rest of the "MEQ Stats" may differ.

For example, Necrons certainly don't have I4, but they do have S4 and T4.

I ask the question to dakkadakka! What will you do with the Grey Knight Upgrade pack? Will you upgrade your marines to make them look like badasses?

Alpharius wrote:Mr Mystery offers good advice - it is best to avoid Trolls altogether. When left unfed, they usually go away.

Sage advice. I find that even when they aren't specifically trolling, if you don't reply to anything they say, they never have a chance to start. Sometimes they have very devious plans.

Asherian Command wrote:I ask the question to dakkadakka! What will you do with the Grey Knight Upgrade pack? Will you upgrade your marines to make them look like badasses?

Who said there was going to be a gk upgrade pack?

My apologies for helping to take this thread off topic.

If users wish to start threads on OT points which have popped up here, please feel free to do so in the relevant forum sections.

No more in here though, OK?

If there was a GK upgrade pack, I'd probably upgrade my marines and never play codex chapter again. lol

I dont think they'll be an upgrade pack. SW and BA have supplied entire figs. While yes though some units like SW scouts do require an extra set.

kenshin620 wrote:I dont think they'll be an upgrade pack. SW and BA have supplied entire figs. While yes though some units like SW scouts do require an extra set.

What about black templar?

Munch Munch! wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:I dont think they'll be an upgrade pack. SW and BA have supplied entire figs. While yes though some units like SW scouts do require an extra set.

What about black templar?

When did they come out?

Alpharius wrote:My apologies for helping to take this thread off topic.

If users wish to start threads on OT points which have popped up here, please feel free to do so in the relevant forum sections.

No more in here though, OK?

But I am asking what if the Grey Knights had an upgrade sprue like Blood Angels, would people use them or will their be no spure?

kenshin620 wrote:

Munch Munch! wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:I dont think they'll be an upgrade pack. SW and BA have supplied entire figs. While yes though some units like SW scouts do require an extra set.

What about black templar?

When did they come out?

Well played Kenshin, wel played. Alright to use more recent examples, what about the skaven slaves slings pack, crimson fists upgrade kit, or the sm character conversion pack forge world is coming out with.

Munch Munch! wrote:
Well played Kenshin, wel played. Alright to use more recent examples, what about the skaven slaves slings pack, crimson fists upgrade kit, or the sm character conversion pack forge world is coming out with.

The slings I think are classic but if not they are metal anyways. Crimson Fists are part of Codex Space Marines and are also metal, plus there are numerous other metal marine packs from of old such as iron warriors, night lords, iron hands, and a boatload of shoulder pads. These are more for modelers value than gaming. Forge World sets have a good deal of conversions such as the chaos renegades. If something does not look like it requires a whole extra body then FW could leave that out since it could save quite a bit of cash to consumers

Uh, wow... I'm pretty sure the rumors indicate a full plastic kit. Grey Knight Power Armour is pretty different from standard PA, with wrist mounted SBs, and the Knight style helmet, as well as the Liber Demonica on the chest or shoulderpad, as well as all the anti-daemon engaravings that the average set of Grey Knight armour has.

Depending on what wargear options we get there may be some quality bitzz left over...


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That being said, if FW also released extra GK conversion bits, that would be bloody awsome.

I think you mean throw

Asherian Command wrote:

Alpharius wrote:My apologies for helping to take this thread off topic.

If users wish to start threads on OT points which have popped up here, please feel free to do so in the relevant forum sections.

No more in here though, OK?

But I am asking what if the Grey Knights had an upgrade sprue like Blood Angels, would people use them or will their be no spure?

THAT is fine to continue to talk about.

I was referencing the actual off topic stuff.

It's a shame Daemonhosts are out -- be nice to have some use for what are quite pretty models. I might count them as Death Cult Assassins, if the latter are any use.

Anyone got a clue as to whether GKTs will still have a TH/SS option? I have a few I was halfway through converting, which I've suspended operations on till I find out if they're obsolete or not.

Ian Sturrock wrote:It's a shame Daemonhosts are out -- be nice to have some use for what are quite pretty models. I might count them as Death Cult Assassins, if the latter are any use.

Anyone got a clue as to whether GKTs will still have a TH/SS option? I have a few I was halfway through converting, which I've suspended operations on till I find out if they're obsolete or not.

I would assume so. I find it hard to believe they would take it away considering just about every other terminator has access to them. Hell, it might be free if their NFW count as force weapons now.

I can't wait for the new codex next year to see what they have added. I'm going to love plastic models instead of the metal models because when the super glue gets old my GK Termies lose an arm in the middle of battle.

Mn, if the rules are good enough I'll consider getting some. Grey Knights are awesome, and have great models.

Melissia wrote:

Balance wrote:What's the difference between the two, especially if there's an option or two to 'church up' the unit by adding a priest or similar in?

Guard have standardized equipment, yes, even Conscripts. Frateris Militia basically have whatever they have on hand when they were roused, or occasionally cheap autoguns. But Frateris Militia are better motivated and often include gangers, crusaders, and other groups that are more skilled than the average conscript. Both are undisciplined, but Frateris Militia are more likely to charge at the enemy than to run away in fear.

It's like the difference between... Ork Boyz and Termagants outside of Synapse range.

it still sounds like you could represent both equally well with options to (1) add a Priest or similar to make them react funny to morale stuff, (2) upgrade or downgrade weapons to simulate better or worse recruits.

No need to add a 2nd unit description. Which, as you have complained about, would be a non-SoB unit.

Balance, we've been asked to cease talking about SoB by the mods...

Yes please no mention of the battle nuns.. lest this thread grow to like 500 pages overnight

Asherian Command wrote:I ask the question to dakkadakka! What will you do with the Grey Knight Upgrade pack? Will you upgrade your marines to make them look like badasses?

Green stuff + DC Kit + SG Kit + PAGK Kit + FW Iron Armor = Pre-Heresy 1ksons. Yup.

The interchangeability of all the kits already rocks, adding in GK helms and nemesis force weapons and the works ... yum.

wolfshadow wrote:Balance, we've been asked to cease talking about SoB by the mods...

My apologizes. The subject is dropped.

Grumpy? With the occasional diversion, we've talked about ...

No, I just like to see the thread stay on topic and I'm not alone in that sentiment. In fact, I have official support on that from the Moderators.

What is the time frame that is likely for this GK release? I haven't heard anything from my contacts and since Skaven are out in January that's not necessarily when we'll see Grey Knights.

Q1 of next year. Jan_Feb, with some rumors as late as march.

Stickmonkey put them January initially from his source, but as always, subject to change.

I seriously hope that the new GK are the god-like charaters they depict in the fluff.

I mean, an awesome statline, but expensive as hell. I mean 25-40 points for a PAGK. As long as the models are kick-ass, I will buy them.

S_P