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I am going with GK Inquisitors and SOB are unknown as of now. Everyone hears different things. I heard there will be a new codex in Feb but I have heard GK and SOB in 1 book and no more imperial guard allies or use of Guard. Then Stickmonkey from warseer posts:

(updated 8-12-2010): GK Annointed Armor: All GKs (TA, PA, AA, etc.) wear ornate armor which has been blessed and annointed to provide additional protection both physically and spiritually. Any GK may always Re-roll any failed armor, invul, or cover saves.


Army wide. Daemonic Infestation makes summoned demons less instable?

No allies from/to other Codii. new fodder units in codex. not same as guard units.

New options for Dreadnaughts including libby. psycannon arm. Purge weapon...large pie plate, special abilities include forcing instability test for daemons, including DoC armies, pinning in other armies.


Then turns around and posts:

So this actually addresses much of the inquisition in gk questions:

Inq lords are hq and unlock ISTs as troops
ISTs are elite otherwise
ISTs can take chimera or valkerie as dt
Inq lord retinue looks more like ig command characters with some seritors thrown in
Temple Assassins one entry in elite, one stat line, options allow for customization into temple variants...but the actual temples are only mentioned in fluff, so some special rules look lost
Demonhosts look to be out
In troops we have ig conscripts...like an ig platoon, but conscripts only
Death cult assassins still elite, larger unit sizes, though
Penal legion squad in troops, different than ig codex entry
chimeras or valks as dt only, and only ig
Valk only dt, no vendetta option
Hellhounds in fast, same as ig, but not variants (Ed: ???)
Deathstrike launchers in heavy, same as ig...replacing orbital strike

Also, some weird dynamics in the ruleset if you have both inq and gk hq present. But details were not given.

(Ed: so from this batch it looks like inq is going to be viable, but I question really this more from a why standpoint. If gw did this, only the hq really separates it much from ig, but handicapped ig. Hope to see more soon once the nov nastiness ends. Damn de are blocking all my insight into the future...)

Cheers

Edit: penal legion troops are the fodder unit I was mentioning in the past, cause I know someone will ask.

Now about a month and a half ago I got flamed cause I said the dreaded SOB and GK in one book. So why not wait till they make solid facts before posting your wish lists.

cgage00 wrote: I have heard GK and SOB in 1 book

Not from GW sources.

In fact, ALL reliable sources (IE, not just random people making gak up) have contradicted this rumor. Including GW itself on multiple occasions.

I found the website. Yeah It could be credible. But anyway its kinda cool Finally a Inquisition codex! Next is necrons are I know it!
*two years later*
Damn it.

Mike Noble wrote:An all Valk/Stormraven army would be awesome, but way too expensive for me to consider.

Plus, you'd need to get yourself an MP3 player so you can play Ride of the Valkyries on cue.

OMG! I NEED THAT SONG! HOW COME I'VE NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT!
Play Redempetion when you are fighting Grey Knights Vs CSM. It turns into a funny match.

cgage00 wrote:I am going with GK Inquisitors and SOB are unknown as of now. Everyone hears different things. I heard there will be a new codex in Feb but I have heard GK and SOB in 1 book and no more imperial guard allies or use of Guard. Then Stickmonkey from warseer posts:

Not likely. Sisters were started after the GK models were. Too long to develop and release. Also, most credible rumours have the Codex Called CODEX: GREY KNIGHTS If it were a combined codex, then it would be something along the lines of Codex: Inqusition

Also, Jervis Johnson outright said that the combined Inquisition codex rumor was nothing more than "fanwank" to use his exact term.

And that is that. Let's talk about something else. Anything else.

Asherian Command wrote:OMG! I NEED THAT SONG! HOW COME I'VE NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT!
Play Redempetion when you are fighting Grey Knights Vs CSM. It turns into a funny match.

Or, you could have a bit of G&S at the ready:

I am the very model of a modern major general...

s.j.mccartney wrote:Trevak Dal - I see your point about all chapters having access to the same equipment, but I'm happy having chapter specific tech! They're not just different chapters for the fluff and a different colour armour, they're different play styles and different sets of strengths and weaknesses.
There are already so many builds available to vanilla marines, to give them furiosio dreads and baal predators is just broken.
I like having a different game play style from different chapters, if you made all vehicles available to all chapters it would just be a mess of too many options and not enough chapters fighting the way they were meant to.

Bring on the grey knights!!

I'm sorry, I was unclear. I was mostly speaking about stuff like Cyclone missle launchers, storm shields and such, so unless it said specifically "Blood Shield" or something, to just automatically standardize the effects for what the storm shield (or whatever) does, for the current cost in whatever codex.

So you would still pay whatever the points cost was in the Dark Angels codex. Admittedly, I'm not too familiar with Dark Angels-I just read their players (and others) lamenting the inequality between equipment, and proposed a logical solution. A bolter is a bolter, a storm shield is a storm shield. Leave chapter specific vehicles out of the loop (so no Furioso Dreds riding dirty with Calgar) with the exception of cross-codex list differences (the BT Land Raider Crusader one holds 15 power armor troops IIRC, and the Vanilla holds 16, so just standardize the Crusader at 16 for all army books that can take it)

So what if the points are different from The New Hotness compared to the Venerable Coolness. A storm shield is a storm shield unless it's a special storm shield (like a 'Blood Shield' or something...if they have such a thing)

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Trevak Dal wrote:I don't understand why the players couldn't just agree (if GW didn't get off their backsides and do it officially) that if a new over-all codex (say Codex: Space Marines in comparison to Codex: Dark Angels) came out and had different effects for items (the storm shield) that the Dark Angel storm shield can have the same abilities as the SM storm shield, etc. I mean, it's standard equipment, I don't think it would vary much.

Question for you: Is there any difference between a Rolls-Royce, Porsche, or Kia? Aren't they all the same, with four wheels and seats and a metal body? Isn't it the case that a new Cadillac makes all other cars identical?

No?

OK, how about burgers? McDonalds vs BK vs Wendys vs Five Guys, etc. They're all identical, too, right?

Then how is it that we expect the same level of sameness of varied forge worlds in 40k?

because in the grim darkness of the far future...they use Standard Template Constructs...not that they wouldn't short change a chapter if they pissed the Mechanicus off or something...but still unless there is a special notation that says "These are Dark Angel Specific Storm Shields/bolters/whatever" (Besides just being in the Dark Angel codex) then it's still a storm shield and should change to whatever the standard statline is.

How to determine what the standard statline is? In the newest Space Marine army books (C:SM, C:SW, C:BA) what does the Storm shield do? If they are all the same, apply that to all previous incarnations of storm shields.

Go read the STC Fluff. A STC doesn't make things identical - it makes a thing which more-or-less meets requirements based on local whatnots.

A STC for a burger simply defines it as a sliced bun with beef patty and seasoning. It might even have a range of weight for the patty, from 1/8 lb to 1/2 lb. It might go as far as specifying lettuce, tomato, ketchup and mayo. Bit it's not going to specify iceberg vs romaine, or beefsteak vs cherry, nor Heinz and Hellemans. Nor would it specify Angus vs sirlion vs chopped.


The idea that DA should get "free" updates that aren't specified in their Codex is silly. The armies are different. Deal with it.


OTOH, if you're proposing a lowest common demonimator approach (SM Storm Shields are only 4++, SM LRCs drop to max 15, etc.), then I'd be OK with that.

Yeah, but a STC when presented with the finest materials that the imperium can offer does not make one storm shield 33% less effective just because there is a winged sword on the front. To even entertain the thought that it is fluff-justified by your reasoning is completely laughable.

New GK look to be shaping up nicely... hopefully their points won't be as outrageous as the last dex. Heres to hoping Necrons get the same love!

If PAGKs start with a NFW that's a power weapon and this annointed armor rumor, there's no way they can justify lowering their cost, imo, (though that would make me extremely happy >.> )
Have there been any rumors about the shrouding?

I would rather them be expensive but badass anyway, myself.

Melissia wrote:I would rather them be expensive but badass anyway, myself.

They will not be that expensive points-wise. Remember, GW will want everyone to buy the new miniatures.

Define "not that expensive"?

25 points for MEQ, a storm bolter, power weapon, artificer armor, and special rules like shrouding doesn't necessarily seem that expensive.

Melissia wrote:Define "not that expensive"?

25 points for MEQ, a storm bolter, power weapon, artificer armor, and special rules like shrouding doesn't necessarily seem that expensive.

Exactly, that's a steal compared for other strong troop choices. 2 pts more than a plague marine for extra armor, firepower, ignores armor, just crazy. GK units will probably define MSU but that in itself may be a draw back to them, who knows.

When I was talking to some of my mates about the re-rolled save, they were trying to persuade me it's too over-powered. But really, it's just like FNP. Just a better save, and if you get re-rolls for inv and cover saves aswell, then it becomes partially immune to ap1 and 2 weapons. Should be interesting to see how it plays out. =]

Oshova

Melissia wrote:Define "not that expensive"?

25 points for MEQ, a storm bolter, power weapon, artificer armor, and special rules like shrouding doesn't necessarily seem that expensive.

I agree here, however, the old dex they were super expensive MEQ equivalents, which made it so your army was teeny and not very strong. I just hope they fix it; if we're stuck with smaller units of guys that cost a lot more, at least make them worth it. A PW and stormbolter would be a good way to do it (include a bolt pistol too!). Rerollable saves will be nice, but Plasma Cannons will still be the bane of them :( Though GK Termis will be damn awesome if this does come to fruition (imagine 3+ rerollable stormshield termis @_@)

Melissia wrote:Define "not that expensive"?

25 points for MEQ, a storm bolter, power weapon, artificer armor, and special rules like shrouding doesn't necessarily seem that expensive.

The only problem is that they can't really wreck tanks. Hopefully they will have access to Melta or get an AT psychic power or something. At the very least they need to give Psycannons rending.

Stupid question... What does MEQ mean?

"Marine Equivalent" - basically anything with a 3+ save and, maybe, T4.

Mike Noble wrote:

The only problem is that they can't really wreck tanks. Hopefully they will have access to Melta or get an AT psychic power or something. At the very least they need to give Psycannons rending.

It depends on what they want the focus to be. I've heard another rumor somewhere that they want to make all PAGK NFW rending, and if they do that, they can blow up a damn land raider in CC. Ridiculous.

Troop shooting? Not really, but not only will the inquisition section have plenty of anti-tank, you'll have dreadnoughts, land raiders, thunderhammers, etc. that can take care of heavier armor.

I think I read on another forum, (bols, maybe?,) that GKTs could possibly have a wrist mounted CML, too.

bforber wrote:

Mike Noble wrote:

The only problem is that they can't really wreck tanks. Hopefully they will have access to Melta or get an AT psychic power or something. At the very least they need to give Psycannons rending.

It depends on what they want the focus to be. I've heard another rumor somewhere that they want to make all PAGK NFW rending, and if they do that, they can blow up a damn land raider in CC. Ridiculous.

Troop shooting? Not really, but not only will the inquisition section have plenty of anti-tank, you'll have dreadnoughts, land raiders, thunderhammers, etc. that can take care of heavier armor.

I think I read on another forum, (bols, maybe?,) that GKTs could possibly have a wrist mounted CML, too.

I too have heard that GK Termies are getting access to a broader assortment of weapons. I also heard that GKs might get a wrist mounted CML. (Warseer thread)

I'm still salivation over the idea of a chapter master with NF Lightningclaws.

All I wanna know is:
WHEN?!
everyone here's saying january, but the manager at my FLGS says about feb/march.

February/March makes more sense. That's when they generally do a release. January is normally pretty light since they rely on christmas money to boost sales still. By February they are looking at needing to make people want to spend money so they do a codex release (ala Nids).

shrike wrote:All I wanna know is:
WHEN?!
everyone here's saying january, but the manager at my FLGS says about feb/march.

Hoping for January.
Most solid info at the moment is some point in Q1 of next year.

January-March you say? Why that's where my brithday hits! It must be fate. Even though I don't play gk, I may buy the codex to check out the fluff and whatnot. I hope the plastics look might fine.

Yeah finally I can make that model From grey knight parts from plastic!
Celebrate good times COME ON!

Alright, so we can probably throw a January release date out the window. The latest Incoming! email from GW says January is Skaven stuff.