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agnosto wrote:"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Isaac Asimov
Can't convince people that your way of thinking is the correct one? Get a gun and go kill them because when they're dead, they can't laugh at your insane ramblings any longer.
Sadly, the nation that I live in is swiftly becoming an intolerant wasteland with a similar moral compass to the Taliban. We all are becoming petty tyrants that want the world around us to conform to our image of what is right or we will lash out like so many petulant children. All I need do is look at all the raving, red-faced hypocrits on TV and radio shows to realize that there is no room for compromise or even polite discourse any longer.
This event saddens me deeply and I grieve for the families of all those affected. The deranged person that woke up this morning with murder in his heart is not deserving of understanding or sympathy; he is deserving of whatever justice that society is able to throw his way. I especially feel for the family of the nine year old girl that was robbed of whatever bright future she had simply because some person decided that he was upset with someone else and did not agree with her politics or way of thinking.
Sad.
Very sad.
Aside from the fact you ignore that this has been going on since the dawn of man, +1.
micahaphone wrote:But-but, you need a label. Otherwise how will others know that to think of you?
Why do you believe that the label necessarily has anything to do with what one thinks of another, at least to the extent that it is exclusively deterministic?
If I call you a person of nationality X, am I presuming that nationality X defines all that you are, or am I merely describing the part of you that is defined by nationality X?
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Well why should you learn about a person, when you can just generically assume what they are like based off of a label? That'd make sense, which isn't allowed on the internet.
micahaphone wrote:Well why should you learn about a person, when you can just generically assume what they are like based off of a label? That'd make sense, which isn't allowed on the internet.
I didn't see any assumptions in this thread. I saw some things that some people said called certain things, but no conclusions were drawn as a result of the labels assigned.
There is a difference between labeling something for convenience, and labeling something for the purposes of committing a package deal fallacy.
For example: "You said X, therefore you must also be Y." is an example of a package deal fallacy, a formal fallacy. Whereas "You said X, and Y says X, therefore you are Y." is, at best, cherry picking, which is merely a poor generalization.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
3. and stated his hatred for the Current Corrupt government
4. stated his hatred for "Federal" government. not state.
5. belived in the "Gold money" bs you hear on shock jock radio stations.
What saddens me is everybody who says things like this are mandatory for a democracy to work. It's NOT. All you need is a vote. If your side doesn't win too bad. Watering the tree of liberty with blood only grows a Tyrant tree, who will crush you with his boughs of violence and branches of armed agression. Tyrant tree is now trade marked by me.
And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole
warpcrafter wrote:One down, how many left until the powers that be get the message? Corruption and greed have gotten too strong a hold on this country for peaceable means to work any more.
Glad to know shooting freshly elected people in supermarkets is your idea of rebellion. May you experience what you advocate one day!
It's not pretty, but sometimes that's the only sort of message that can be sent. Besides, she did vote for Obamacare, and even though I'm in no way a Palin supporter, I recognize institutionalized evil when I see it. Stop being such sheeple.
You are disgusting.
Several people are dead, including a 9 year old girl.
I hope you are immediately removed from this site for your repellent opinion.
warpcrafter wrote:One down, how many left until the powers that be get the message? Corruption and greed have gotten too strong a hold on this country for peaceable means to work any more.
Glad to know shooting freshly elected people in supermarkets is your idea of rebellion. May you experience what you advocate one day!
It's not pretty, but sometimes that's the only sort of message that can be sent. Besides, she did vote for Obamacare, and even though I'm in no way a Palin supporter, I recognize institutionalized evil when I see it. Stop being such sheeple.
You are disgusting.
Several people are dead, including a 9 year old girl.
I hope you are immediately removed from this site for your repellent opinion.
+1
I already stated same, but I really think this needs to be stated over and over until the mods grow a pair and take action.
They are always Jolly on the spot to pass out suspensions and strikes when some someone is butt hurt over stuff far less important/serious then this, but here we have a classless troll celebrating the death of women and children and promoting/praising homicidal violence and the mods are no place to be found...
Warpcrafter is sickeningand needs to be banned.
Disgusting...
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Thus illustrating the point that people often assume nothing is happening, just because they can't see it happening.
If you look back in the thread, you may notice that the original post was deleted two and a half hours ago. It was only after reading more of the thread and seeing said post argued and defended that the decision was made to let the quotes of the post stand for now, so people could see what the offender wrote, and speak against it.
We do not discuss suspensions or user discipline with any other users. If you wish to make sure that Moderators take appropriate action, your first action should always be to hit Alert Mod on the offensive post in question.
Thank you.
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Punch in the gut: The 9 year old girl that died today?
She was born on the day that the Twin Towers were hit.
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DEUS VULT wrote:Cmon guys. He's probably a troll or a teabagger. No need to go dropping banhammers just cause he's a turd and offends you.
Again with the "Dur hur hur... I am cool because I say teabaggers. That way everyone knows that I am cool and smart and stuff."
I am not associated with any of the Tea Party stuff (frankly it all seems lame) but it really annoys me to hear people regurgitate anti-right political phrases feed to them and think they are somehow clever.
DEUS VULT wrote:Cmon guys. He's probably a troll or a teabagger. No need to go dropping banhammers just cause he's a turd and offends you.
Again with the "Dur hur hur... I am cool because I say teabaggers. That way everyone knows that I am cool and smart and stuff."
I am not associated with any of the Tea Party stuff (frankly it all seems lame) but it really annoys me to hear people regurgitate anti-right political phrases feed to them and think they are somehow clever.
Insulting the enemy is the first step in dehumanizing them.
It's also one of the signs of someone who has nothing to say so he spits out the party slogan.
Funny or insulting nicknames for people you disagree with or are rivals are a time-honored tradition. Here in NH we have funny/insulting nicknames for people from Massachusetts, Vermont, and Maine, for example.
Calling people names is not a good substitute for an argument. The better use I've seen for the term "teabagger" is to apply it to the extremists and nutjobs within the larger Tea Party movement, which also contains a good number of decent and reasonable human beings.
People should not be dehumanizing other people, or labeling political rivals or opponants as "the enemy". That's the kind of mentality which leads to tragic instances of violence like this one, and like 9/11.
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DEUS VULT wrote:Cmon guys. He's probably a troll or a teabagger. No need to go dropping banhammers just cause he's a turd and offends you.
Again with the "Dur hur hur... I am cool because I say teabaggers. That way everyone knows that I am cool and smart and stuff." I am not associated with any of the Tea Party stuff (frankly it all seems lame) but it really annoys me to hear people regurgitate anti-right political phrases feed to them and think they are somehow clever.
When the tea party ceases to deserve scorn and ridicule it'll.... Ok, it'll keep coming but they'll deserve it less. Until then you should probably just work do distance yourself from the moment. It uses very violent and incendiary metaphor in its rhetoric, it makes sense that people would link it to an event like this.
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ShumaGorath wrote:
When the tea party ceases to deserve scorn and ridicule it'll.... Ok, it'll keep coming but they'll deserve it less. Until then you should probably just work do distance yourself from the moment. It uses very violent and incendiary metaphor in its rhetoric, it makes sense that people would link it to an event like this.
Every group has those that are, shall we say, "idealist without understanding".
But don't slander an entire group based on the fringe.
That would be like a Christian witnessing the 'gay sexy Jesus parade' in San Fran and concluding that all homosexuals are freaks and anti-religion. Not a fair conclusion.
DEUS VULT wrote:Cmon guys. He's probably a troll or a teabagger. No need to go dropping banhammers just cause he's a turd and offends you.
Again with the "Dur hur hur... I am cool because I say teabaggers. That way everyone knows that I am cool and smart and stuff."
I am not associated with any of the Tea Party stuff (frankly it all seems lame) but it really annoys me to hear people regurgitate anti-right political phrases feed to them and think they are somehow clever.
Insulting the enemy is the first step in dehumanizing them.
It's also one of the signs of someone who has nothing to say so he spits out the party slogan.
Wait, so Teabaggers can call themselves Teabaggers, but other people cant? The Derp is strong with you.
Lrn 2 history. And yes, people generally use derisive terms to refer to those that they dont hold in high regard.
Well, no accounting for taste I suppose. For what it is worth, I have told my black co-workers to not use the term "n-word" (filter) when addressing each other. Not because I am personally offended, but that it made them look like uneducated idiots.
As to the Tea Party making references to baggers, they are attempting to embrace the derogatory term and turn it around. Others have tried to take insults and "own them" to take the power away from it. But again, shouting out "Teabagger!" (an insult derived from a sexual act) them moment anything not "left" of the american spectrum shows up only brings the conversation down.
Here we have a tragedy where a loon killed innocent people. We need not jump to try and score political jabs at their expense.
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ShumaGorath wrote: When the tea party ceases to deserve scorn and ridicule it'll.... Ok, it'll keep coming but they'll deserve it less. Until then you should probably just work do distance yourself from the moment. It uses very violent and incendiary metaphor in its rhetoric, it makes sense that people would link it to an event like this.
Every group has those that are, shall we say, "idealist without understanding". But don't slander an entire group based on the fringe. That would be like a Christian witnessing the 'gay sexy Jesus parade' in San Fran and concluding that all homosexuals are freaks and anti-religion. Not a fair conclusion.
The teaparty is built on a set of conflicting ideals, it has no platform, fractured leadership, and is in every way the ignorant flock that neocons want. They were created by the conservative movement to house enfranchised bush era idealists without bushes fall effecting them. They are a tool of idealistic resistance, and little more. I have no problem slandering the entire movement because it's a movement predicated on ignorance and populism. Two things I enjoy slandering. It's the 21st century no nothing party, but without the smarts.
Here we have a tragedy where a loon killed innocent people. We need not jump to try and score political jabs at their expense.
People stopped when it came to light that he was probably not connected to them.
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Sorry, while the extremists in the tea party (see: Palin) are horrible, there are many normal Americans who are fed up with the government, which is why its multiple branches are doing great. The media just likes to show pictures of the stupid ones. And the "Know Nothing" party was based off of xenophobia, and was worse, as it was completely based off of a lunatic fringe,and their regular meeting agendas were to ride through the streets in wagons, shooting at people who looked Irish, or Polish, by some strange identification method.
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There ARE normal people who are members of the Tea Party; they're pissed off at how the government is being run. Then there are the people who dress up in bastardizations of revolutionary war era clothing to hoist racist signs about our president.
micahaphone wrote:There ARE normal people who are members of the Tea Party; they're pissed off at how the government is being run. Then there are the people who dress up in bastardizations of revolutionary war era clothing to hoist racist signs about our president.
Allying yourself with a political group because of a shared interest in being "dissatisfied with the government" is a piss poor reason. Political groups are based on politics, not resistance, or in the very least that resistance should be based in something real, not imagined. The tea party is a poor facsimile of a real political movement. It boxes the hate and perceived repression, and turns it into standard neoconservative demagoguery. "Normal" people can be members of the organization just as much as "normal" people can be a part of an ignorant and reactionary political movement with no aim or purpose. Being "normal" doesn't make you "right", with as much weight as either of those terms actually have.
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They are a political party with a very conservative outlook. Some people agree with this, not because they feel "resistance", out of hate, or other emotions, but because they honestly believe in less spending, less taxes, less gov't. Basically, they are the new Anti-Federalist movement. And, just like the anti-federalists and the federalists, compromise is necessary. Except for Palin. She is a fool who should be sent to whatever nations we hate as a form of psychological warfare.
They are a political party with a very conservative outlook. Some people agree with this, not because they feel "resistance", out of hate, or other emotions, but because they honestly believe in less spending, less taxes, less gov't.
Except when they dont. Almost every one of the tea parties outlined principles of directly contradicted by another one of such principles and there is no consensus within the movement on how to solve this issue. They want to spend less on the military, but they do not want to deprive the military of funding. They want the government to get its hands out of medicare, but they want increased medicare benefits. They want us out of the UN (sometimes) they want us out of NAFTA (sometimes) they want us out of nato (sometimes) but they also want an increased American role in counterterrorism operations abroad in foreign countries. They want to reduce the deficit and they want to lower taxes. They want to reduce government interference in business but they want banks and corporations regulated.
They hate everything thats bad and love everything thats good, even when they are the same thing.
Basically, they are the new Anti-Federalist movement. And, just like the anti-federalists and the federalists, compromise is necessary. Except for Palin. She is a fool who should be sent to whatever nations we hate as a form of psychological warfare.
If you want compromise on principles look at the tea party. They have none. If you want compromise between parties don't look their way, they'll stonewall everything you could ever want to discuss.
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The Tea Party is a very large collective of many oft-conflicting ideals and goals.
Small-government conservatives alongside religious social conservatives alongside liberarian anti-tax fanatics alongside paranoid militia types alongside hardcore racists.
I said there are some reasonable human beings in the movement. But IME they're mostly there because they're dissatisfied with how things are but haven't noticed how many crackpots they've allied themselves with.
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