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Peter Wiggin wrote:So far I've been accused of being a liberal, a tea bagger, and an anarchist all in the same thread. Interesting.

This is what happens when you are capable of independant thought and don't fit into stereotypical political positions.

Dangit, not more Civil War (aka War Between the States) discussion.

1) By that logic the original USA was morally rephrensible because they had slavery and denied voting rights to all but a select group of white males.

Yep. It was. It also engaged in mass slaughter of natives. Funny thing about morals though is that they're relative. In early Americas case it wasn't being defined against a more moral backdrop, during the civil war the south was. Thus the north was more morally justified then the south.

2) Slavery was not as significant as the pro-Union history books made it out to be. Lincoln was a racist utterly convinced that the black man was inferior to him all ways. They also like to ignore the wage slavery taking place in the North, the disgusting war crimes perpetrated against the South, the fact that the Union fought their war with drafted poor/immigrants as opposed to an army of patriots, etc.

I dont think anyone ignores the massive number of "war crimes" (which didn't exist at the time) perpetrated on both sides.

Yes, slavery is wrong. Does it justify invading, raping, and pillaging a nation?

It could be considered another nation by only the most barebones standards. It certainly wasn't recognized as one anywhere.

So far I've been accused of being a liberal, a tea bagger, and an anarchist all in the same thread. Interesting.

You should probably present more coherent opinions then.


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Amaya wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:So far I've been accused of being a liberal, a tea bagger, and an anarchist all in the same thread. Interesting.

This is what happens when you are capable of independant thought and don't fit into stereotypical political positions.

Or just rant nonsensically.

Amaya wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:So far I've been accused of being a liberal, a tea bagger, and an anarchist all in the same thread. Interesting.

This is what happens when you are capable of independant thought and don't fit into stereotypical political positions.

No, this is a combination of peter wiggin's poor writing skills and confused political ideas.

olympia wrote:
No, this is poor writing skills and confused political ideas.

This could be the descriptor for the vast majority of the political threads on Dakka...

This guy is bat-gak crazy. He makes general ripper look sane.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/jared-lee-loughner-gabrielle-giffords-shooter_n_806243.html

lol, lists Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto as favorite books, amongst others.

Why would anyone who is not a poli-sci professor say that?

Surprise! The guy says that he likes both "The communist Manifesto" AND "Mein Kampf"!

You're a treasure for the new currency!

Also, his "final thoughts" youtube video is almost creepy insane.

Melissia wrote:Also, his "final thoughts" youtube video is almost creepy insane.

Almost?

olympia wrote:This guy is bat-gak crazy. He makes general ripper look sane.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/jared-lee-loughner-gabrielle-giffords-shooter_n_806243.html

Craziest thing in there was his belief in a monetary gold standard. Odd that he would list the communist manifesto and Mein Kampf as favorite books as the videos imply that he is virulently anti state.

Amaya wrote:

Melissia wrote:Also, his "final thoughts" youtube video is almost creepy insane.

Almost?

Well, it certainly is insane. Not quite creepy though. Maybe it's the music.

This forum has reached a new depth.

Amaya wrote:What started it was Lincon unlawfully invading a sovereign nation.

So, secession and the resulting conflict over Fort Sumter didn't happen?

Remember George Tiller?

Tenner says its a Fox news lover.

America is a great place, but 40% of the nation are nuts, and its only gotten worse since BO got elected.

My advice? Shack up with a handsome Royal Marine and move to Yorkshire.

mattyrm wrote:Remember George Tiller?

Tenner says its a Fox news lover.

America is a great place, but 40% of the nation are nuts, and its only gotten worse since BO got elected.

My advice? Shack up with a handsome Royal Marine and move to Yorkshire.

So we can join some student protests?

Someone who lists all those books as their favorite books has never really read any of those books.

What, just because several of them completely contradict each other?

Yeah cos we all blow each others faces off when students protest.

Although, that pink floyd guitarists kid was swinging off the cenotaph.. i wish i had a firearm then.

Swings and roundabouts I suppose.

On a serious note.. i think the poor lassie is fethed. Theres no plce for this gak in a civilised country.

micahaphone wrote:What, just because several of them completely contradict each other?

Partially, but also becuase there are about 300 books listed. I'm using exaggeration to make a point. I normally wouldn't have to point that out but looking at the level of discourse happening in the thread, it would seem I have to.

Ahtman wrote:Someone who lists all those books as their favorite books has never really read any of those books.

Bingo!

I hold a degree in history and only read them because I had to and then they both gave me a headache.

Well "The Phantom Tollbooth" isn't that hard of a read. But seriously, listing the memoir of (among many other things) a communist hater, and the communist mannifesto?

I don't see anything in his videos that points to a particular political group, he just seems paranoid and anti state, and his writings remind me a distressing amount of some of the stuff a friend of mine wrote when he started suffering from schizophrenia.

Hell, just The Origins of Species is a difficult enough read (many people still don't necessarily agree on what it really says), nevermind political stuff which is typically far more banal and preachy.

Monster Rain wrote:This forum has reached a new depth.

Yup...bodies are barely cold,but let's all climb up on our respective political soapboxes and start squabbling .

Reading big, tough books does not make you strange. Reading and agreeing with completely contradicting extremist books does.

micahaphone wrote:Well of course, Peter! If you don't fit into society's boxes, you must be labeled!

Derp derp beep beep don't mind me just a cog in the herpa derp JEEP!

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Isaac Asimov


Can't convince people that your way of thinking is the correct one? Get a gun and go kill them because when they're dead, they can't laugh at your insane ramblings any longer.

Sadly, the nation that I live in is swiftly becoming an intolerant wasteland with a similar moral compass to the Taliban. We all are becoming petty tyrants that want the world around us to conform to our image of what is right or we will lash out like so many petulant children. All I need do is look at all the raving, red-faced hypocrits on TV and radio shows to realize that there is no room for compromise or even polite discourse any longer.

This event saddens me deeply and I grieve for the families of all those affected. The deranged person that woke up this morning with murder in his heart is not deserving of understanding or sympathy; he is deserving of whatever justice that society is able to throw his way. I especially feel for the family of the nine year old girl that was robbed of whatever bright future she had simply because some person decided that he was upset with someone else and did not agree with her politics or way of thinking.

Sad.
Very sad.

And I'm going to say that Agnosto wins the thread.