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Well this model is not so great in fact.... I'd love to substitute it with a model of the drop ship in Aliens but I can't find it. :(

Otherwise the Old Crow Model may give something useful but it resembles a Valkyrie rather than a Space Marine flyer.

Gitzbitah wrote:The real question is how many Thunderwolves can fit inside a Stormraven?

Poor Space Wolves: getting two silly looking units in so short of a time span...

Alpharius wrote:I'm guessing that GW may try to tempt people to start an ENTIRE NEW ARMY in order to get access to the STORMRAVEN.

This. BA players already know what it does, so the only reason for GW to put the full rules in WD is to show the rest of us how awesome the new BA toy is and we should all totally play BA.

KOS wrote:
It's like the Land Raider Crusader, made for the Black Templars, then everyone wanted one and they had it... first with White Dwarf rules 0-1 then in the new codex... everyone could get it.

Where is my Baal Pattern Predator?

This is why I play the Ultramarines.

I have a Valkyrie sitting around that will become a SR if this is true.

I'm quite pleased.

ceorron wrote:I assume if they get an any space marine release they may become the Vanillastrike missiles.

This made me lol. Thanks for making my morning.

liam0404 wrote:Just give us back out Land Raider Crusaders and we will be on our way

No problem. Redeemers are better anyway!

Kilkrazy wrote:GW are pretty cunning, eh?

1. Stormraven = great special rules.
2. Most armies are SMs.
3. Sell it to all of them.
4. Profit!

That's a formidable marketing strategy.

But you're forgetting another step, if not THE most important step! Observe:

1. Stormraven = great special rules.
2. Most armies are SMs.
3. Sell it to all of them.
4. ????
5. Profit!

NOW, it makes complete sense!

TBD wrote:But why would they put an entire Chapter Approved article about it in the February issue and not the confirmation all chapters get to use it, only to put that confirmation in the March issue

Probably because they want people to continue reading their magazine...

Just Dave wrote:Well considering that Chaos Space Marines don't even use Land Speeders, Plasma Cannons or newer Technology available to the modern Astartes, I can't imagine them receiving a shiney new Storm Raven...

Actually, they do get Plasma Cannons, albeit only for a single unit, but it's there. (See Obliterators)

As for my thoughts on the Storm Raven being available for all chapters, I'm actually not in favor of it. And yes, I am saying this as a Ultramarine player. Not because I'd feel compelled to buy one for my army if it became legal for my codex (which I more than likely will do if/when it does happen), but because I'm getting tired of seeing the lack of exclusiveness that codices ought to have. Bare in mind that I am a very new player (in the grand scheme of the game, at least), and have limited knowledge on which codex had access to which unit first, and blah blah blah blah... I had no idea that LRC's were not released for C:SM primarily, but can understand the frustration on this example. That being said, I can see how giving access of the Storm Raven to other armies could make BA players think "WTF!?" Fluff-wise, it makes little sense for C:SM to have access to it, as it's lacking in their literature (at least from what I've read). But then of course, this can also change, as someone else pointed out earlier.

At any rate, I can understand why GW would consider making it accessible to other SM armies, as Killkrazy pointed out that it would almost surely increase their revenue and sales. Space Marines are the "Flagship Army" of GW, and anything that'll help market their best seller is just a textbook play out of the theories and practices of effective marketing. As a person who studied it himself, and as a businessman, I can understand and appreciate the idea of it. However, as a gamer, and an Ultramarine player, I don't...

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to find a way to save some extra spending cash for when it does become accessible to C:SM...

I play Ravenguard and I hate this. For non-codex chapters Its a never ending cycle of self justification. To justify a non-codex chapter having a book, it has to have something that distinguishes it from the rest. If that uniqueness is than made available to all chapters, it dilutes the uniqueness and diminishes the worth of the non-codex chapter's rules. It creates a cycle and pattern where with each revisiting of an army and a new codex, the degree to which they must be reimagined is greater. Vanilla marines do not need anymore, the vanilla codex is already over saturated with options and in this instance its also a bit contradictory to the fluff for the unit.

I tend to think the Stormraven isn't really going to be available to all marines, for regular games. That this rumor is really some how connected to its availablility to all marines in the Flyer-centric expansion GW's putting out in the summer.

I think the stupidest part is people making the assumption that just because the rules are in White Dwarf that it's going to be made available to everyone else.

White Dwarf used to, when previewing new and exciting items, show the rules.

Why? Because it might be something that people aren't used to having to play against. It lets people who don't own a copy of the associated Codex know what they'll be facing.

Footsloggin wrote:I suspect that C: SM and C: DA (MAYBE) will get it, but C: BT, C: CSM, and C: SW will not. Simply because Chaos never gets anything, SW already have their feature unit, TWC, and Black Templar not getting it is just a hunch.

It's a Marine skimmer, so Chaos won't get it. They throw away all of that stuff when they turn traitor - I guess Maschine Kult Techmarines are more Imperial fanatic than Spase Marins...

That said, it's a lock for vanilla and DA, on top of BA & GK.

As a Fast Assault Transport, it fits well with Templars, so I'd expect the BT to get it.

Woofs are a question mark, and I can't see how they'd get their woofs on thunderwoofs inside, so I'm going to say, no. The sheer stupidity of woofs on woofs says they shouldn't get any more toys. A spase woof on a spase woof inna flying spase woof? Hell no.
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@RB: CSM Dreads can't take Plasma Cannon?

The Decapitator wrote:I have it on quite good authority that following the release of the Stormraven Gunship with the Blood Angels new models in a few weeks, the next issue of White Dwarf will contain rules/fluff which will enable all Space Marine chapters to use the unit.

Whether or not this is happening because of the rumoured Flyer ruleset expansion is anyones guess, but with BA definately and GK almost certainly getting the Stormraven, I am pretty confident that this will be confirmed in due course and there will be Stormravens all around!

The Milky Bars are on me!

i think that the doors should be compatible with the forge world rhino doors

i might convert it for ork supabomma

CSM Dreads get plasmacannons too.

Didn't someone clip an article showing that only BA and GK get SRs?

I agree that they're putting the rules in to familiarize non-BA players with the rules, and to tempt them into starting BA or GK.

Mannahnin wrote:CSM Dreads get plasmacannons too.

Didn't someone clip an article showing that only BA and GK get SRs?

I agree that they're putting the rules in to familiarize non-BA players with the rules, and to tempt them into starting BA or GK.

It's on the Box back, IT shows the ][ painted up SR.

Wow! This may actually draw my attention away from Warmachine, Flames of War, and Firestorm armada!

CT GAMER wrote:

Gitzbitah wrote:The real question is how many Thunderwolves can fit inside a Stormraven?

Poor Space Wolves: getting two silly looking units in so short of a time span...

I agree with JohnHwangDD. CSM almost certainly wont get it, nothing to say they wont get some other flyer though.

And I just can't imagine it being the sort of things space wolves would use. Flying wolves just dosn't fit for me, I think landspeeders are really a stretch for them truth be told, so I don't think they will be getting it either.

As for this diluting the codex, don't think it does, blood angles have lots and lots of very differing units and layout from your normal space marine force to the point where I don't know how they can consider themselves to still be a codex astartees army any more really.

A light flier for Chaos Marines would be great, but also a major break from their design philosophy. The Hell Blade, perhaps? A good unit in Fast Attack would be real welcome!

On topic: The Storm Raven model represents a significant investment in design and production. Making the Storm Raven more widely available would certainly sell more kits. Also, it just might look better in blue.

Exopheric wrote:A light flier for Chaos Marines would be great, but also a major break from their design philosophy. The Hell Blade, perhaps? A good unit in Fast Attack would be real welcome!

On topic: The Storm Raven model represents a significant investment in design and production. Making the Storm Raven more widely available would certainly sell more kits. Also, it just might look better in blue.

that model is awful in red. Every other color would do, but red kills it. Come on, the Grey Knight version is much.. MUCH better!

Considering this thread is still open due to the news coming out in White Dwarf (maybe) is pretty funny. Do people actually buy that stupid magazine still? *Sigh* I guess they do.

I don't anymore from... what... 2 years ? I just get it when and IF there are new rules coming out. If not, the magazine stays right where it is with all its advertise and false battle reports.

Sigh

I've bought OLD White Dwarf where they talked about the hobby, convertions and background... now it's just rubbish.

KOS wrote:

Exopheric wrote:A light flier for Chaos Marines would be great, but also a major break from their design philosophy. The Hell Blade, perhaps? A good unit in Fast Attack would be real welcome!

On topic: The Storm Raven model represents a significant investment in design and production. Making the Storm Raven more widely available would certainly sell more kits. Also, it just might look better in blue.

that model is awful in red. Every other color would do, but red kills it. Come on, the Grey Knight version is much.. MUCH better!

Yep, it grew on me quite a bit after I saw it in the Grey Knight colors. But, oops, I play Blood Angels. When I get around to picking one up, it's getting a Death Company paint scheme. Anything but flat red.

I assume as WD is out in 3 days, someone must have an sub copy by now.

Oh, and as it's the 'in thing' I must *sigh* as I mentioned WD...

Got my WD in the post today, the SR stats are simply that. No word from what I saw after a skim about what chapters can/cannot use it, it's just the rules straight out of the codex.. weird.

I just realized - there's nothing in the SR rules that say that it can't transport Terminators, right? At least I couldn't find anything in the BA SR rules that say that. Has that been FAQ'd?

If not, that means that if all the SM Codices can get SRs that my Deathwing Squads and DW Dread could get lifted into combat in one....I'll have to think on the ramifications of that.

Personally, I'm amazed that this thread is still going (for six pages of all things) and there is still NO CONFIRMATION AS TO ALL CHAPTERS GETTING STORM RAVENS.
We haven't even got any substantial rumour or reasoning, other than it making sense from a business point of view...


@ Death by monkeys; yes, you can transport terminators.

Just Dave wrote:Personally, I'm amazed that this thread is still going (for six pages of all things) and there is still NO CONFIRMATION AS TO ALL CHAPTERS GETTING STORM RAVENS.
We haven't even got any substantial rumour or reasoning, other than it making sense from a business point of view...

Oh there's confirmation.

Just that the truth is the article confirms exactly the opposite of what this rumor is. There's nothing in the article saying "All Space Marine Codices can use this item".

Exactly.

Rest in peace, dear "All Space Marine Chapters to get Stormraven rules!" thread!

Maybe you were just ahead of your time...

...see you in 6th Edition!