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Platuan4th wrote:Maybe there's some sort of agreement for post battle pillaging between Ape and Inquisitor, as that seems to be the only reason by fluff that Jokaero are ever intentionally offensive(for parts for ships and equipment).

An agreement that can only be reached if the Jokaero are sapient, in which case they are Xenos and need to be destroyed.

So anyone have a guess when Ordo xenos well be released?

Fury_00011 wrote:So anyone have a guess when Ordo xenos well be released?

5th of Never. GW has a hard enough time updating the 16 books they have.

Fury_00011 wrote:So anyone have a guess when Ordo xenos well be released?

The Ordo Xenos should never get their own book. Make the Ordo Xenos Inquisitor and their retinue a 0-1 choice for the Space Marines codex, and you're set.

Giving GK the Jokaero makes no sense. I could easily see it with the Ordros Xenos as that would be like chocolate and peanut butter, but for GK is like peanut butter and mayonnaise. Ugh!

"Here! Have some randomly inserted comic relief!"

The monkey has a red nose?
How does he smell?

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

"Here! Have some randomly inserted comic relief!"

The monkey has a red nose?
How does he smell?

Like an ape, I'd wager.

BUT THEY'RE NOT APESAGFA GHNDIFG DSIFGN DSIFG MHDSFG HDSFG SDVH

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

"Here! Have some randomly inserted comic relief!"

The monkey has a red nose?
How does he smell?

Make sure its not a baboon first

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

"Here! Have some randomly inserted comic relief!"

The monkey has a red nose?
How does he smell?

Terrible.


C'mon, someone was gonna say it.

Moopy wrote:Giving GK the Jokaero makes no sense. I could easily see it with the Ordros Xenos as that would be like chocolate and peanut butter, but for GK is like peanut butter and mayonnaise. Ugh!

Lame comparison imo, only a rather liberal, read radical, Ordo Xenos inquisitor would use an alien like a jokaero. But if you're fighting daemons and chaos filth all the time you might easily come to the conclusion smart space monkeys aren't the worst thing after all.

Baiyuan wrote:

Moopy wrote:Giving GK the Jokaero makes no sense. I could easily see it with the Ordros Xenos as that would be like chocolate and peanut butter, but for GK is like peanut butter and mayonnaise. Ugh!

Lame comparison imo, only a rather liberal, read radical, Ordo Xenos inquisitor would use an alien like a jokaero. But if you're fighting daemons and chaos filth all the time you might easily come to the conclusion smart space monkeys aren't the worst thing after all.

Not really. The Ordo Xenos is one great big gob of 'gray area'. They utilize alien technology on a daily basis, gather up specimens for study, etc.

It's not a "radical" thing in their case. It's just another day at the office.

Moopy wrote:Giving GK the Jokaero makes no sense. I could easily see it with the Ordros Xenos as that would be like chocolate and peanut butter, but for GK is like peanut butter and mayonnaise. Ugh!

I think you people are nuts... This is a fantastic model and a great nod back to Rogue Trader era.

As for 'Grey Knights' using Jokaero, you have to remember that this book allows Grey Knights to include Mallues, Hereticus AND Xenos inquisitors...it represents the fact that even a Xenos-Inquisitor can summon the might of the Grey Knights if need be. I'm sure the Grey Knights are none too happy about fighting alongside Xenos-scum, but breaking the commands of an Inquisitor is also a very serious breach of protocol.

And as for the Rogue Trader era 'fluff' on the Jokaero, why would that apply any more than the fluff that Genestealers are just some species from Ymgarl and not a Tyranid offshoot? The fact is, GW (as is their right) constantly rewrites or reinterprets the fluff as needed.

There's no reason that a Xenos Inquisitor wouldn't have the secret to controlling or communicating with the Jokaero, and obviously there isn't as they are in the army, and likely to be in every other book that comes out from here on that includes Inquisitors.

At the end of the day, they had a radical Inquisitorial choice for the Malleus (the Daemonhosts) and plenty of good choices for the Hereticus henchman (flagellants, Death-Cult assassins) so they needed one for the Xenos Inquisitor. Rather than going with another typical boring 'warrior' type Xenos species, I'm really glad they went with something a bit atypical with the Jokaero. They are still most certainly Xenos (which is what was needed) but they aren't like any other Xenos in the game, which makes them refreshing IMHO.


Now, whether or not the RULES for them are broken is an entirely other story, but ultimately is completely irrelevant from the awesome (IMHO) model and the overall choice to include them as a henchman for Xenos Inquisitors.

Clearly they communicate via sign language.

I think you people are nuts... This is a fantastic model and a great nod back to Rogue Trader era.

I'm really pleased to see I'm not alone on that perspective.

BrassScorpion wrote:

I think you people are nuts... This is a fantastic model and a great nod back to Rogue Trader era.

I'm really pleased to see I'm not alone on that perspective.

I don't think people are really upset by the model--but the fact that it's in the Grey Knights book.

The Jokearo are supposed to be a joke (joke sounds a lot like Jokaero...), it's just a bit of humour injected into an already somewhat silly game. The fact that the most serious faction, GK, can take them makes it even funnier. I mean what's better than having a monkey-mechanic hanging around with daemon-battling space knights?

I'm just a little annoyed that they stole the Oblits' thunder and they seem pretty spammable. I like the model and the concept but not the rules. Fluff is easily reworked (and only slightly) to make room for these guys.

The only thing about these two models that bugs me is why does it say "REDEMPTION SWORD" on Crowe's armour. Seems like an odd phrase.

I think the model is fine, and I love the nod to RT since I started playing in 1989, but I wish they reintroduced them in a way that made more sense; less jarring.

bolo wrote:

lol...oh my that's good.




Who says the Jokaero are xenos? According to the old school fluff the Old Ones originally took them from Terra and planted them elsewhere. They're our cousins!

Kanluwen wrote:
I don't think people are really upset by the model--but the fact that it's in the Grey Knights book.

But why? The book, and presumably all future books allow you to include any type of Inquisitor in the army, so it makes perfect sense to have henchmen representing all of the Inquisitorial factions.

Its the same reason that the Sisters of Battle codex will almost assuredly allow Daemonhosts to be included in the army...because you can still take an Inquisitor in the army who sees the benefit of including such creatures as their hechmen and the rest of the army can just suck it...Inquisitors can do what they want.

AgeOfEgos wrote:Who says the Jokaero are xenos? According to the old school fluff the Old Ones originally took them from Terra and planted them elsewhere. They're our cousins!

Well, the new codex entry seems to strongly suggest it, and given the fact that they're really the only 'new' Henchman type included in the book along with the entirely new 'Xenos' Inquisitor...I think you can connect the dots.

yakface wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Who says the Jokaero are xenos? According to the old school fluff the Old Ones originally took them from Terra and planted them elsewhere. They're our cousins!

Well, the new codex entry seems to strongly suggest it, and given the fact that they're really the only 'new' Henchman type included in the book along with the entirely new 'Xenos' Inquisitor...I think you can connect the dots.

Seriously, Ward calls them Xenos? Am I off my rocker in remembering the old fluff...?

yakface wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Who says the Jokaero are xenos? According to the old school fluff the Old Ones originally took them from Terra and planted them elsewhere. They're our cousins!

Well, the new codex entry seems to strongly suggest it, and given the fact that they're really the only 'new' Henchman type included in the book along with the entirely new 'Xenos' Inquisitor...I think you can connect the dots.

I don't think that suggests it more than the fact that they are alien space monkeys suggests it.

AgeOfEgos wrote:

yakface wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Who says the Jokaero are xenos? According to the old school fluff the Old Ones originally took them from Terra and planted them elsewhere. They're our cousins!

Well, the new codex entry seems to strongly suggest it, and given the fact that they're really the only 'new' Henchman type included in the book along with the entirely new 'Xenos' Inquisitor...I think you can connect the dots.

Seriously, Ward calls them Xenos? Am I off my rocker in remembering the old fluff...?

You're off your rocker in remembering the old fluff.

Jokaero are Xenos.

Kanluwen wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:

yakface wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Who says the Jokaero are xenos? According to the old school fluff the Old Ones originally took them from Terra and planted them elsewhere. They're our cousins!

Well, the new codex entry seems to strongly suggest it, and given the fact that they're really the only 'new' Henchman type included in the book along with the entirely new 'Xenos' Inquisitor...I think you can connect the dots.

Seriously, Ward calls them Xenos? Am I off my rocker in remembering the old fluff...?

You're off your rocker in remembering the old fluff.

Jokaero are Xenos.

Rogue Trader, page 197: "Their physical appearance is of a heavy, orange-furred ape, similar to the orang-utang which roamed ancient Earth. This may or may not be coincidence, for it is an established fact that the Slann created and modified many races at the dawn of time, and appear to have visited the Earth on numerous occasions. "

Platuan4th wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:

yakface wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Who says the Jokaero are xenos? According to the old school fluff the Old Ones originally took them from Terra and planted them elsewhere. They're our cousins!

Well, the new codex entry seems to strongly suggest it, and given the fact that they're really the only 'new' Henchman type included in the book along with the entirely new 'Xenos' Inquisitor...I think you can connect the dots.

Seriously, Ward calls them Xenos? Am I off my rocker in remembering the old fluff...?

You're off your rocker in remembering the old fluff.

Jokaero are Xenos.

Rogue Trader, page 197: "Their physical appearance is of a heavy, orange-furred ape, similar to the orang-utang which roamed ancient Earth. This may or may not be coincidence, for it is an established fact that the Slann created and modified many races at the dawn of time, and appear to have visited the Earth on numerous occasions. "

And that's how you get people to buy you a beer at Adepticon. Thanks for digging that up dude.


/if you're going to Adepticon

I am of the opinion that Jokaero are out of place in the book. I think if they wanted to add something that would fit in with a radical Ordo Xenos Inquisitor, I can’t help but think that were better options available in 40k fluff for this.

I suspect Matt Ward just wanted to add fierce fire support unit for “lolz” and took a shortcut and Jokaero were the result. At the end of the day, the unit seems to be the unfortunate result of copy+paste rules meeting copy+paste fluff.

Kanluwen wrote:
I don't think people are really upset by the model--but the fact that it's in the Grey Knights book.

No, that's why you're upset. I, on the other hand, find it awesome.

candy.man wrote:I am of the opinion that Jokaero are out of place in the book. I think if they wanted to add something that would fit in with a radical Ordo Xenos Inquisitor, I can’t help but think that were better options available in 40k fluff for this.

I suspect Matt Ward just wanted to add fierce fire support unit for “lolz” and took a shortcut and Jokaero were the result. At the end of the day, the unit seems to be the unfortunate result of copy+paste rules meeting copy+paste fluff.

Like I said: this seems more and more like an Alessio Cavatore/Pete Haines move.

Ward has to be a meatpuppet for those two to hatch their insidious plans.

candy.man wrote:I am of the opinion that Jokaero are out of place in the book. I think if they wanted to add something that would fit in with a radical Ordo Xenos Inquisitor, I can’t help but think that were better options available in 40k fluff for this.

I suspect Matt Ward just wanted to add fierce fire support unit for “lolz” and took a shortcut and Jokaero were the result. At the end of the day, the unit seems to be the unfortunate result of copy+paste rules meeting copy+paste fluff.

Such as? Having any kind of warrior race wouldn't really be appropriate because an Inquisitor walking around with militaristic Alien warriors by his side would but even his Inquisitorial seal to the test. I think its pretty clear by the race they chose that they were looking for a race that would still be highly beneficial for an Inquisitor to use but wouldn't be immediately thought of as a militaristic threat. I think the Jokaero is a perfect fit because it represents the kind of things that Inquisitors can bring to the table...things that most people wouldn't immediately think of as a weapon at first glance, but it turns out to be completely deadly.

While there are lots of random alien species names out there in the 40K background there aren't that many that have already been formed in any real kind of way. The Jokaero exist in Rogue Trader, fit the bill for the Xenos Inquisitor henchman, so why not include them?


When it comes to including new models in a codex, it is always a collaborative effort between the designers and the writers. There is just as much possibility that they decided to include the Jokaero from a fluff perspective first and then wrote the rules to match what they thought they should do as there is for your theory (that they wanted to create a powerful unit first and then shoe-horned the Jokaero in to fit).

And actually, I can say that from my limited experience dealing with the company they almost always approach it from the former standpoint...they say...we need a Xenos henchman choice, what would be cool? And then they move on from there.

I don't get how the Jokaero are 'copy+paste' rules...because they are able to choose from a few different weapon choices each turn similar to what Obilterators do? What about pretty much every other stat or rule they have that makes them totally unlike Obliterators?