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Grey Templar wrote:Warhound titan stepping on a guy might not be as much as you think.


when you are moving forward, you never have your entire weight on the foot at any one time.

thats why Firewalkers don't get burned, they don't have time for their feet to sink into the coals and absorbe the heat.


the titan would certaintly do damage, but it would definitly not be as much as you would think.

A warhound titan weights something like 400-410 tonnes right?

So yeah, it is not that much. Especially since a warhound's feet are quite large compared to its total size. It means that the weight is spread on a larger area (as melissia said). But I don't really know the exact size of a warhound foot. I would need a FW model to calculate it, and i'm not lucky enough to have my own titan.

Laodamia wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Warhound titan stepping on a guy might not be as much as you think.


when you are moving forward, you never have your entire weight on the foot at any one time.

thats why Firewalkers don't get burned, they don't have time for their feet to sink into the coals and absorbe the heat.


the titan would certaintly do damage, but it would definitly not be as much as you would think.

A warhound titan weights something like 400-410 tonnes right?

So yeah, it is not that much. Especially since a warhound's feet are quite large compared to its total size. It means that the weight is spread on a larger area (as melissia said). But I don't really know the exact size of a warhound foot. I would need a FW model to calculate it, and i'm not lucky enough to have my own titan.

It depends on the surface too, if the terminator is between a warhounds foot and a flooring tougher than the terminators armour then the termy is fethed however if the armour is tougher than the floor is possible that the floor will give before the termy will.

Although if the floor isn't as tough as a terminators armour I would wonder how it supports a warhound in the first place.

Dude, you got stepped on by a titan!
No prob, bro.

The floor didn't give. It was a Hive superstructure. No Give.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:The floor didn't give. It was a Hive superstructure. No Give.

So hive materials must be stronger than terminator armour which must be stronger or equally as tough as the warhounds foot plating that was in contact with the terminator armour.

That is nowhere near watertight as a claim as 40k is science fantasy but you know.

I would also like to remind people that terminator armour was designed to operate fully inside running fusion reactors.

No I'm not. Just that it is feasible that it would damage the armor if said armor was hard enough (and durable enough, so that it wasn't just brittle), but not necessarily squish it.

the titan's weight is spread out a lot by the surface area of it's feet. For example an M1A2 battle tank weighs 69.5 tons, it's ground pressure however is only 15.4 psi (pounds per square inch)
That's less pressure than most of you probably make walking.

corpsesarefun wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:The floor didn't give. It was a Hive superstructure. No Give.

So hive materials must be stronger than terminator armour which must be stronger or equally as tough as the warhounds foot plating that was in contact with the terminator armour.

That is nowhere near watertight as a claim as 40k is science fantasy but you know.

I would also like to remind people that terminator armour was designed to operate fully inside running fusion reactors.

Should be noted that in a way the armour did give. It was destroyed although it served its function. I would say the prodigious amount of adamantium in TDA saved his life.

Brotherjulian wrote:the titan's weight is spread out a lot by the surface area of it's feet. For example an M1A2 battle tank weighs 69.5 tons, it's ground pressure however is only 15.4 psi (pounds per square inch)
That's less pressure than most of you probably make walking.

However when you are stepping on something only the area in contact with your foot is actually being used so in the stage of stepping where one puts their weight on the forward foot you would have most of the weight of the warhound being put into the armour (presuming the terrain was flat and the termy was the only thing in the way of the ground and the warhounds foot).

I find it challenging to accept that terminator armour could warp enough to absorb the force of a titan stepping on it without damaging the titans foot, damaging the floor or killing the pilot.

I mean think about it, if all the force is put into the armour then it must warp in some manner to absorb that force which would mean that you have bits of Armour stabbing the marine inside unless it has specially designed weak points for the armour to warp into to avoid harming the marine however that means that TDA would have weak points which isn't hugely practical in combat.

Ostrich eggs can support the weight of a 250 pound person(IIRC)


thats alot of weight on a, realitivly, small object.


you could think of Terminator armor in a similer way.


the Terminator armor barely gave way, only wounding the wearer.



a warhound titans foot(middle toe to back of rear toe) is a little over 5"

each main toe is about 2" long.

Grey Templar wrote:Ostrich eggs can support the weight of a 250 pound person(IIRC)


thats alot of weight on a, realitivly, small object.


you could think of Terminator armor in a similer way.


the Terminator armor barely gave way, only wounding the wearer.

That is because the eggs shape transfers the force onto the underside and then onto the ground which then absorbs it which is a possibility for terminator suits but given their shape I really doubt it, especially if it started to give way.

the Terminator armor has more surface area in contact with the ground then the Egg does.

this means more weight is transferred rather then less.

oh, I totally think the ground gives and the termie gets driven into it.

Grey Templar wrote:the Terminator armor has more surface area in contact with the ground then the Egg does.

this means more weight is transferred rather then less.

Not always.

Eggs work by having a shape that transfers weight evenly to the base and then onto the ground, domes were used in large older buildings because of this property.

However terminator armour is not domed and will not transfer force evenly unless the material is is made out of is under a pretty specific set of conditions depending on the exact forces and surface area's involved.

It is far more likely for either the ground to the armour to give, most likely the ground.

well, a terminator on his back or belly will be round in Cross Section.

if the terminator was driven straight into the ground his legs would have snapped off at the hip.

Grey Templar wrote:well, a terminator on his back or belly will be round in Cross Section.

if the terminator was driven straight into the ground his legs would have snapped off at the hip.

I was thinking of a terminator laying on his back being stepped on to give him a fighting chance, if he is standing then the poor guy is screwed.

he most likely got knocked over when stepped on.

its unlikely the titan came straight down on his head.

Grey Templar wrote:he most likely got knocked over when stepped on.

its unlikely the titan came straight down on his head.

Probably, even so that barrel chest they have would take the brunt and destroy his vital organs due to that pathetic ellipse based chest armour

But as I said, this is science fantasy so the armour is made from unobtainium and thus does not break.

except in this case it did break and the guy was seriously hurt.


but he did survive.

corpsesarefun wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:well, a terminator on his back or belly will be round in Cross Section.

if the terminator was driven straight into the ground his legs would have snapped off at the hip.

I was thinking of a terminator laying on his back being stepped on to give him a fighting chance, if he is standing then the poor guy is screwed.

Not necessarily.

Imagine the following situation:

The TDA is standing.
The warhounds steps on the TDA.
The titan's strength while walking forces the TDA to hunch, and finally topple over.
The TDA is leaning on the floor when the titan's foot finally touches ground.

It would give a nasty headache to the termy, but it is plausible.

Grey Templar wrote:except in this case it did break and the guy was seriously hurt.


but he did survive.

In which case the armour must have designated failure points, which makes me ponder why this isn't well known amoungst those fighting termies?

Brotherjulian wrote:oh, I totally think the ground gives and the termie gets driven into it.

That's kinda what I think too. It's almost cartoonish.

Look, the IoM has a rep has being primitive but actually Humanity's tech is some of the top in the galaxy. In one catagory in particular Humans take a back seat to no one and that's armour! Humans have the best armour, its what they excel at, and TDA is the best of the best of the best. It is the only armour that can stop a plasma bolt to the heart cold or shrug off a melta blast that could blow up a Land Raider. Most invulnerable saves are provided by energy fields or speed. Terminator armour is the only one that provides invulnerabilty based on sheer 'ardness.

How strong are genestealers because their one of the few creature that can physical tear open adamantium. If you can match the strength of a genestealer or broodlord, then you've got your weapon.

It's not just strength, but also aim, sharpness, leverage, etc. Even terminator armor has joints.

remember, also, that the Titan's foot isn't going to be perfectly smoothe. It's most likely treaded, which means the TDA was probably inside one of the crevasses on the bottom of the foot. Possibly in a toe joint.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Look, the IoM has a rep has being primitive but actually Humanity's tech is some of the top in the galaxy. In one catagory in particular Humans take a back seat to no one and that's armour! Humans have the best armour, its what they excel at, and TDA is the best of the best of the best. It is the only armour that can stop a plasma bolt to the heart cold or shrug off a melta blast that could blow up a Land Raider. Most invulnerable saves are provided by energy fields or speed. Terminator armour is the only one that provides invulnerabilty based on sheer 'ardness.

That's a good point.

But there still must be a limit to its resistance. Some weapons can tear through a termy suit. So I guess a few of our most powerful weapons can too.

Caliber means nothing.

A twelve-pounder British cannon from the early 19th Century had a 115mm caliber ball. And a 115mm cannonball would do barely annoy an M1 Abrams tank. That's in just 200 years.

I'd say it'd be crazy to assume a similar level of tech advance hasn't been made in 30,000 years. Our man-portable or vehicle-mounted weapons would likely ping off the hardest points of TDA.

And yet, there's still physics to consider.

Didn't Imperial Armor have this thing where they talked about the thickness of a Land Raider's armor, and then described a number that's about equal to a Bradley Fighting Vehicle (WAY thinner than a modern Abrams main battle tank) for one of the most heavily armored vehicles in the setting? That might be a good gauge for how powerful anti-vehicle weapons are.