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Honestly I dont think any of the stuff in the poll could penetrate the armor, but something like the heavy artillery could probably hit him hard enough to internally wound him or snap his neck maybe.

Actually, there's been some good points made. The energy transfer from modern day weapons is honestly much, much higher than probably a lot of the projectile weapons of 40k, and are more likely on par with directed energy weapons, suggesting a lower AP.

How strong are genestealers? Their claws are laced with adamantium and seem to be the one creature, fluff wise, that can handle terminators. so, depending on how strong genestealers are, you can figure out what kind of force you need to pierce the armor.

Seriously, everyone using tabletop examples to "prove" that terminator armour would be a pushover for modern-day technology need to read the OP again. Marines in general, and especially terminators, are woefully underpowered on the tabletop. Using tabletop range as "proof" when it obviously is logarithmic isn't very convincing either...

Mostly the anti-tank weapons would have to be used IMO. A lighter cannon would potentially do some damage to power armor (an autocannon is a wide range of cannons, after all, and even the lighter variants certainly can do some damage to a Marine and his armor in fluff even if it cannot penetrate armor in game) but this is terminator armor we're talking about, it's pretty much the best armor in 40k and equivalent to wearing a tank.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Seriously, everyone using tabletop examples to "prove" that terminator armour would be a pushover for modern-day technology need to read the OP again. Marines in general, and especially terminators, are woefully underpowered on the tabletop. Using tabletop range as "proof" when it obviously is logarithmic isn't very convincing either...

If we're going off the fluff, Law of Awesome is doubly in effect. Which is why things like "lol cactus spikes" or "I AM CIAPHAS CAIN WITH A CHAINSWORD, RAWR" can kill Chaos Space Marines, because they're awesome and override the Space Marine's Awesomeness Barrier.

That's it! There's psychers and Orks all throughout the Galaxy (and possibly universe) aren't there? Rule of Cool is a natural law! The more Awesome something is, the better it works for whatever it's doing!

Actually the way Orks spread,a nd how long they have been spreading, kinda makes sense. It's almost like a macrocosm of the way spores spread.

Anvildude wrote:That's it! There's psychers and Orks all throughout the Galaxy (and possibly universe) aren't there? Rule of Cool is a natural law! The more Awesome something is, the better it works for whatever it's doing!

Holy crud. I think you're right.

Termis can be killed by lasguns and guardsmen in close combat.

.308s could pop termis with focus fire.

a 105mm shot would vaporize a terminator.

Best I could say for a comparison would be a bunch of present day spec-ops fighting American Civil War era soldiers.

While the fight would be obviously lop sided, all the kevlar in the world wouldn't save you from 50 muskets or a cannonball hit to the chest.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
a 105mm shot would vaporize a terminator.

And yet, if we're using table top examples, a Storm Eagle rocket doesn't even penetrate the armour. That's the equivalent of a cruise missile 38k years from now, and they routinely rip through any vehicle in the game.

That's the fantasy aspect of it though. Some of it just doesn't make sense, for example a pulse rifle according to what it actually would be more realistically represented as a S5-6 wep that has AP 2-3.

an AC-130's larger caliber gun could take on a termie no problem


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an AC-130's larger caliber gun could take on a termie no problem

Meh, the AC130 is lightly armed compared to the A10.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
a 105mm shot would vaporize a terminator.

And yet, if we're using table top examples, a Storm Eagle rocket doesn't even penetrate the armour. That's the equivalent of a cruise missile 38k years from now, and they routinely rip through any vehicle in the game.

That's because of the way the rules are written.

They are not intended to be realistic.

Kilkrazy wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
a 105mm shot would vaporize a terminator.

And yet, if we're using table top examples, a Storm Eagle rocket doesn't even penetrate the armour. That's the equivalent of a cruise missile 38k years from now, and they routinely rip through any vehicle in the game.

That's because of the way the rules are written.

They are not intended to be realistic.

Which is why I've been advocating using fluff and not table top...

Indeed. That's kinda why I said it'd take an anti-tank weapon to penetrate terminator armor, though perhaps a lighter cannon might be able to dent it, destroy its weaponry, etc.

Something like a burst from the GAU-8A Avenger might do the trick-- this being a rotary anti-tank cannon which is a larger than your car and is armed with specially designed anti-tank rounds, firing in two second bursts at 4,200 rounds per minute or 70 per second). A modern equivalent of an assault cannon basically.

The GAU-8 has Rending.

Yeah, just ask any tank that the gun has fired on.

Or building.

Or mountain.

I'd say Heavy 10 Rending, because, let's face it, most of the 40k weapons have incredibly slow rates of fire compared to the capabilities of modern weapons. And that's allowing for the abstraction of an Assault 2 actually being fully automatic. The agreed onomotopoeia is Dakkadakka, after all, not "wvHRRRRRRRRRRT"

That's one place I think modern weapons take the cake over 41st millenium weaponry, is in sheer rof, especially with the new MetalStorm technology.


Fun fact, though, we already have the technology to make Bolters, or the equivalent. Heck, check out Gyrojet weapons systems.

Any fluff on the hardness and tensile strength equivalence of the adamantium-ceramite composites used in Terminator getups? Compared to say, the xH36 grades of shipbuilding steel?

2-10 times stronger and the Termmie gunna die.

100-1000 times stronger the SM gunna die from non-stop giggles.

I said 75mm only cause the armor is insanely strong but not invincible. but it hitting in the right place it could drop one with some trouble.

UselessSage wrote:Any fluff on the hardness and tensile strength equivalence of the adamantium-ceramite composites used in Terminator getups? Compared to say, the xH36 grades of shipbuilding steel?

2-10 times stronger and the Termmie gunna die.

100-1000 times stronger the SM gunna die from non-stop giggles.

There is extensive materials data in some of the Black Library books.

However, it doesn't work like that.

Extremely hard materials are more brittle, fact of physics. That's why armour is made of material with a good balance of toughness and tensile strength.

Either a powerful enough projectile or a stream of lighter projectiles can damage the armour.

There is also the possibility of shock damage to the SM inside the suit, as other people have mentioned earlier.

A 30mm depleted uranium armor-piercing round from an A-10 Thunderbolt Cannon would work, unless the invulnerable save kicked in.

One of my favorite stories in WD a while back was about some Space Marines including Terminators fighting in a hive city. They were doing their thing when a Titan strolled around a corner and stepped on their leader. The others were heartbroken. The Titan didn't even break stride. "That monster will never know that he just smooshed one of the greatest warriors the Imperium has ever known" they lamented. Then a moment later they heard stirrings from the rubble and sure enough their fearless leader rose: his armour ruined, he himself bloody as hell. He simply remarked "Move out".

KamikazeCanuck wrote:One of my favorite stories in WD a while back was about some Space Marines including Terminators fighting in a hive city. They were doing their thing when a Titan strolled around a corner and stepped on their leader. The others were heartbroken. The Titan didn't even break stride. "That monster will never know that he just smooshed one of the greatest warriors the Imperium has ever known" they lamented. Then a moment later they heard stirrings from the rubble and sure enough their fearless leader rose: his armour ruined, he himself bloody as hell. He simply remarked "Move out".

Perfect! Now we only need to calculate the weight of a Titan and use that to estimate how much pressure was put on the terminator! Sounds like a walk in the park!

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:One of my favorite stories in WD a while back was about some Space Marines including Terminators fighting in a hive city. They were doing their thing when a Titan strolled around a corner and stepped on their leader. The others were heartbroken. The Titan didn't even break stride. "That monster will never know that he just smooshed one of the greatest warriors the Imperium has ever known" they lamented. Then a moment later they heard stirrings from the rubble and sure enough their fearless leader rose: his armour ruined, he himself bloody as hell. He simply remarked "Move out".

Perfect! Now we only need to calculate the weight of a Titan and use that to estimate how much pressure was put on the terminator! Sounds like a walk in the park!

Let's start from the beginning then...

What kind of titan was it?

A small warhound or a big warlord?

Warhound titan stepping on a guy might not be as much as you think.


when you are moving forward, you never have your entire weight on the foot at any one time.

thats why Firewalkers don't get burned, they don't have time for their feet to sink into the coals and absorbe the heat.


the titan would certaintly do damage, but it would definitly not be as much as you would think.

Nevermind that the guy would also be pushed into the ground a bit more likely than not, and that not all of the weight is distributed across him (titan feet being larger than he).

It was probably a Warhound but I don't recall if it even specified.
You two are going with "Getting stepped by a Titan isn't that bad". Really? Really?