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Fluff termi or tabletop termi?

Fluff termie.

the table top woefully under powers MEQs.

A customized AP .50 with a delayed explosive charge in it should get the job done if you also extend the shell length to accommodate an even larger gunpowder charge, but it may take a few shots. Any 'small arms' (assault rifles, pistols, shotguns) would be hilariously ineffective against a suit of terminator armor. A penetrating anti-tank round (not a get-in-the-engine-housing-and-blow-up round) could probably get the job done, or a modified autocannon round (designed to penetrate) could also do it.

Anti-tank shaped charge 'ought to put a nice hole in there. Maybe 105-120mm. To kill the marine might take another hit. Or ten.

Here's how you beat Termies. Live in a swamp.

Why is that?

Strength is meaningless without friction to grip... let em sink in the mud, wallow for a few weeks as they run out of air, and live to win. The downside - you have to live in a swamp.

I guess Imperial tacticians would not even send termies into the swamp. If they wanted to destroy you and risk losing a couple of veterans, i am sure they would bombard your home from orbit. Unless they are space wolves.

A Barret .50 cal would probably do the trick. It was designed for the sole purpose of hitting people through armored vehicles.

I think a fifty cal, or a Russian 14.5mm would have a chance. Then again it could zing right off too. I think anti tank-guns will start to blow parts off of them pretty quickly, maybe not a one shot the first time but cumulative effects would batter them apart. That's light anti-tank weaponry (75mm recoiless guns, bazookas etc) Move up to 120mm sabot or GAU-8 and I think termies would die quickly, as you're talking about the equivalents of a Vanquisher battle cannon and not fragmentation or high explosive rounds

Remember TDA was designed to function inside plasma reactors, that's heat resistance - not resistance to kinetic energy

If I remember correctly there is a story in the Heresy series about a Termie being hit by a Krak Missile and surviving, so "none of the above".

I think that, if at close range, you could get the full concussive force of an 8 gauge shotgun onto the TDA helmet, than, maybe than, but even so, it would be asking alot. Anywho I hear the US Navy has working Railguns, just use that.

The poll is about the chest armour, which is the thickest.

An RPG-29 can penetrate the front armour plate of a Challenger 2 tank, so it will certainly do the job on a Terminator suit.

Older generation recoilless rockets like the Armbrust or early RPG7 can only penetrate about 12 inches of steel armour, so may not be effective against a Terminator suit chest.

Well I don't have a physics degree from armchair university like so many people in these types of threads but I just can't see a marine in termi armour being killed by concussive force. It just seems like one of those things that astartes physiology would prevent, in regular old power armour they regularly get loaded into drop pods and shot at a planet from orbit and impact with enough force to turn a human into jelly.

Many things in 40K simply couldn't work as described, because physical law isn't suspended by high technology.

Like lots of 40K, Space Marines work by handwavium. That is why 40K is space fantasy, not science fiction.

Once on the gw website it said the could survive almost anything except a direct hit from a lascannon. Wether this is true or not I do not know?

Just think i should mention that if you corner some termies and kill half of them, and they fail the morale test, they kill themselves. The armour doesn't help much when you've got your own bolt pistol under your chin

This is fluffwise, and termies do not commit suicide. If they are cornered by Tau, they fight till the end, if Orks corner them, they fight till the end, when Eldar corner them, they fight till the end, if the Nids or Necrons corner them, they get butchered. If the Guard corners them, something is wrong. If Chaos corners them, they either convert or die. That is a 1st company veteran.

The only thing that would have a chance would be a direct hit from a modern 120mm sabot round. The 155mm artillry might do it on a direct hit.

Look at most of the "conventional" style weapons in 40k. Missile launcher= AP3, Leman Russ battlecannon= AP3, Autocannon= AP4, none of it able to pierce terminator armor, so I doubt anything in this thread could pierce it, short of a massive explosion (akin to Demolisher Cannon).


And people mentioning 50. BMG would penetrate Terminator armor? Are you being serious?

The last one. At least in modern terms, I think. The ordinance they have in 40k is much more potent and devastating than what we have, not to mention terminator armour is crafted of literally the strongest minerals in the galaxy.


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Conservationist wrote:This is fluffwise, and termies do not commit suicide. If they are cornered by Tau, they fight till the end, if Orks corner them, they fight till the end, when Eldar corner them, they fight till the end, if the Nids or Necrons corner them, they get butchered. If the Guard corners them, something is wrong. If Chaos corners them, they either convert or die. That is a 1st company veteran.

QFT. Just because they fail morale doesn't mean they commit suicide. It probably represents the idea that they know when they're beat, and they escape to prevent further damage. Also, it's been mentioned numerous times that just because a model takes a wound and is 'removed', doesn't mean he dies. Any number of things could happen.

scubasteve04 wrote:And people mentioning 50. BMG would penetrate Terminator armor? Are you being serious?

Are you being serious questioning it? TDA is considered to be the equivalent of wearing a tank. A .50 BMG AP round is designed to F$#& UP TANKS, and the people inside them. It would probably have to be extensively modified (like I said in my post) but it's plausible. Do you have anything other than 'Bwuuhhhh?' to say about it?

EDIT: The new Exitus Rifle rules tell it all to me. AP1. Given the size of the gun itself it can't be much larger than a .50 cal. It could be .75/.60, but I wouldn't think of it as likely.

a .50 BMG round is designed to feth up 21st century tanks. not 4100th century tanks.


a weapon could be Ap1 all day long, if its Str is too low it can't hurt tanks at all.


Ceramite is at least 4-5 inches thick on TDA and ceramite has the hardness of diamond and the tensile strength of Granite.

IMO fluffwise I think the Exitus rifle could kill a termie, but penetrating its chest plate (which is the point of this thread) wouldnt be able to kill it. A headshot is probably needed. Anyways, the weapons in the futre(40k) and now would be very different, both is terms of material that solid rounds are made of and the armor that the fighting forces wear. We are talking about ceramite here, so while a 0.50 cal could penetrate termie armour in the future, right now it wouldnt be that feasible. Its about the weapons we have now that can bring one armoured in TDA to their knees.

Also most 40k snipers don't use solid shots. They use a high intensity lazer to carry a envenomed shard into the enemy.
But no I do not think that any modern weapon could pentrate TDA in the chest plate.

crazypsyko666 wrote:

scubasteve04 wrote:And people mentioning 50. BMG would penetrate Terminator armor? Are you being serious?

Are you being serious questioning it? TDA is considered to be the equivalent of wearing a tank. A .50 BMG AP round is designed to F$#& UP TANKS, and the people inside them. It would probably have to be extensively modified (like I said in my post) but it's plausible. Do you have anything other than 'Bwuuhhhh?' to say about it?

EDIT: The new Exitus Rifle rules tell it all to me. AP1. Given the size of the gun itself it can't be much larger than a .50 cal. It could be .75/.60, but I wouldn't think of it as likely.

A .50 BMG is for vehicles/ light armor. I'm no expert, but I am pretty sure shooting a .50 BMG at an M1 Abrahms or a Leapord is going to do do nothing except scratch a lot of paint.

The heavy stubber is pretty much an exact replica of the M2 Browning .50 cal, and its str 4 AP 5 (hint, not AP 2).

The only thing outside of an artillery blast in 40k that can pierce 2+ armor is advanced weapons like Lascannons, Plasmaguns, Meltaguns, ect. All non-existent weapons in the 21st century.

scubasteve04 wrote:
The only thing outside of an artillery blast in 40k that can pierce 2+ armor is advanced weapons like Lascannons, Plasmaguns, Meltaguns, ect. All non-existent weapons in the 21st century.

Railguns. That said, I still don't think they'd be able to do it.

Addicted to Bleach wrote:Also most 40k snipers don't use solid shots. They use a high intensity lazer to carry a envenomed shard into the enemy.
But no I do not think that any modern weapon could pentrate TDA in the chest plate.

Not even a Maverick missile?

Are we taking the energy field form the Crux into account?

Addicted to Bleach wrote:But no I do not think that any modern weapon could pentrate TDA in the chest plate.

Tzar Bomba disagrees with this statement.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Addicted to Bleach wrote:But no I do not think that any modern weapon could pentrate TDA in the chest plate.

Tzar Bomba disagrees with this statement.

Or the MOAB in that matter...