Commandments of IG Army Building

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**Polonius**

40kenthusiast wrote:I'd like to reply on the subject of Mortars. They pose one of the prime threats in the IG list...to the dang game length! I faced an army loaded down with Mortars once, and the guy's shooting phase was endless. It wasn't any more effective, it just took forever. Fire mortar. Measure scatter. Argue about where it ended up. Roll for partials. Roll to wound, enemy rolls saves, removes possibly a model. Roll scatter dice to determine where the next shot in the barrage flips to. Repeat forever and ever.

I'm sure that they are great vs. Orks or what have you...but I'm begging you, from all IG opponents out there, please, stick with weapons that roll to hit and wound. The Basilisk is fine, but please, no Mortars.

that's a really, really good point. If I was the king of 40k, I'd make Mortars heavy 2 48", with no LOS required. They'd be like immobile smart missle systems.

**malfred**

Anyone willing to field that many mortars should have some
quick method for resolving them or should be willing to let
things go once in a while. That's just crazy.

**H.B.M.C.**

The simpler way would be the 3rd Ed Blast Multiplication. Work out how many hit, work out how many models are covered, work out partials, then multiply the hits by the amount of blast markers that hit.

BYE

**smart_alex**

@HMBC about the sniper rifles thing. I think that what youa re suggeesting while cool as heck would make ratlings and other snipers, WAAAY to lethal. What you are suggesting is somthing like what the vindicare can do which is wound on a 2+ and its AP2 and you can pick which models. I mean, think about it. You target a mob with a nob and warboss/or other character, and whiff they are all dead. Or a squad of termies would be wiped. I do agree we should pick the model but with 10 snipers firing and wounding on 2+ its just too much. However if IG were to get this in the future I would not be complaining.

**Bastirous666**

smart_alex wrote:@HMBC about the sniper rifles thing. I think that what youa re suggeesting while cool as heck would make ratlings and other snipers, WAAAY to lethal. What you are suggesting is somthing like what the vindicare can do which is wound on a 2+ and its AP2 and you can pick which models. I mean, think about it. You target a mob with a nob and warboss/or other character, and whiff they are all dead. Or a squad of termies would be wiped. I do agree we should pick the model but with 10 snipers firing and wounding on 2+ its just too much. However if IG were to get this in the future I would not be complaining.

well now your not reading what he said, his suggestion was have like 1-2 per army max and they would be alone and have to have onther units present to use one (like an inquisitor and the vindicare, but less points). it makes total sense

**H.B.M.C.**

Don't worry, I'm used to smart_alex not living up to his epithet.

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**smart_alex**

we already have that, as I said its called a vindicare.

**H.B.M.C.**

Unintentional irony is great!

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**smart_alex**

what are you talking about. I thought you meant have the equivalent of 10 vindicares. I must NOT have read where you said 1-2 limit, in which case we already have a 0-1 limit called a vindicare. What irony do you speak of?

**tegeus-Cromis**

Oh good lord.

smart_alex, H.B.M.C.'s point, as I understand it, is that sniper rifles work in a very stupid way right now. He thinks the way the Vindicare's sniper rifle works is the most sensible way to handle it, and that all snipers should therefore work the way the Vindicare's does. This would go along with the availability of snipers becoming much more limited, as he stated on the previous page of this thread.

Is that clear enough for you?

**Bastirous666**

probably not. anyway i agree that snipers should be worth something, they could be T3 or something like that, cost a lot less, have 48" range, AP 2 etc.

**Agamemnon2**

I agree with HBMC, sniper rifles right now are a joke, especially in squads with only one, such as light infantry squads. To be effective against anything, they need AP, possibly quite low.

The Vindicare Marksman rule becomes comparatively less powerful with the rumored casualty removal rules in 5th edition, which indicate that you can lose special weapons troopers off a squad earlier anyway. I think it definitely should be included for units such as IG snipers, as it's what gives the weapon its niche, which it currently lacks.

**smart_alex**

I do think snipers are a little crappy. Thats why I don't take em. However I thought this dicussion stemmed from ratlings. Ratlings are only ..what is it 11 point models after all.

**Admiral Falyn**

yah well they are eleven points, a doctorine choice, 0-1, and they suck outside of shooting.
I must also say I disagree with you shuning of enginseers. They are great in vehical heavey armies, and even three russes can use some fixing up. they fix one russ they have made up their points, and the tactical value of a fixed up russ can be devistating

**H.B.M.C.**

You are more likely to die than to lose your gun. It's not worth the points or Doctrine slot.

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