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Just got Domination last night, VERY pleased with the trollbloods entries .

The pics of the swamp horror are a letdown...

The plastic direwolf is shown in several of the group shots, looks OK...

Lightning troll looks absolutely AMAZING

RiTides wrote:
Lightning troll looks absolutely AMAZING

Oh hell yeah. And the paint job is sweet.

I enjoyed the fluff. Not mind-boggingly awesome like Metamorphosis
was, but it was impressive. It seems as if the Skorne are always going
to get the best fight scenes (eMorghoul in Metamorphosis, Naaresh
in Domination) and Trolls are going to get some weird stuff (Jarl Skudd
as trickster).

How did I miss that Legion gets a Legionnaire character attachment? He
makes them even more tarpitty than they previously were. Not sure
if I'm a fan of the uneven blight horn on the right side of his forehead.

I think the Swamp Horror fig is really nicely done, just really tiny compared to it's artwork.

Rats - looks like Saturday or Monday before I get Domination and Mr Pigataur... :(

Picked mine up tonight. Reading it now.

CT GAMER wrote:there does come a point when after you have stated the same thing 10 or twelve times that it is best to just agree to disagree and move on.

Because Manchu is the only person who states his dislike for something repeatedly. Wait, there's some other people doing it. I can't recall the subject matter, but it's something to do with a company starting with G.

-Loki- wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:there does come a point when after you have stated the same thing 10 or twelve times that it is best to just agree to disagree and move on.

Because Manchu is the only person who states his dislike for something repeatedly. Wait, there's some other people doing it. I can't recall the subject matter, but it's something to do with a company starting with G.

Well since you brought it up: If you can't understand the dfference between people who state the same general opinion in different threads and conversations with someone saying the same thing over and over in the same thread, well...

Also, you are also about three days late to the party (I tapped out and havent posted here since 11/15). Congratulations.

Now lets get back to hearing what Manchu thinks about those PP models yet again...

So, what are everyone else's thoughts about Domination?? There's stuff in the book that wasn't in this thread, but I figured it made sense to continue here instead of start a new one... that is, if we can stay on topic

As a Cryx player, the Witchdoctor scares me a little bit.

Aduro wrote:As a Cryx player, the Witchdoctor scares me a little bit.

There's a lovely thread over on the Privateer Press Cryx forum going on about this guy. Most of us agree that if you were relying on souls as a major part of your gameplan, you weren't really bringing Cryx's A-game to the table. And now... well, now you'll have even less reason to.

That really is unfortunate due to the units that are priced based on what they can do with those souls: Deathjack, Pistol Wraith, Soulhunters, etc. Take away soul benefits and they're not nearly as good. Yes they are still good, but slamming into a wall of undead, tough Gator Posse isn't exactly fun for them. And then add in that the Witch Doctor is cheap enough to fit into pretty much anyone's armies as a worthwhile investment and now you have even less reason to bring soul collectors.

Did we really need more convincing that our Battle Engine is just a centerpiece for our collection pictures?

Kirbinator wrote:

Aduro wrote:As a Cryx player, the Witchdoctor scares me a little bit.

There's a lovely thread over on the Privateer Press Cryx forum going on about this guy. Most of us agree that if you were relying on souls as a major part of your gameplan, you weren't really bringing Cryx's A-game to the table. And now... well, now you'll have even less reason to.

That really is unfortunate due to the units that are priced based on what they can do with those souls: Deathjack, Pistol Wraith, Soulhunters, etc. Take away soul benefits and they're not nearly as good. Yes they are still good, but slamming into a wall of undead, tough Gator Posse isn't exactly fun for them. And then add in that the Witch Doctor is cheap enough to fit into pretty much anyone's armies as a worthwhile investment and now you have even less reason to bring soul collectors.

Did we really need more convincing that our Battle Engine is just a centerpiece for our collection pictures?

Taking souls away from the Deathjack is the greatest thing ever.

It's not Just souls, but other Living Model triggers as well, which my eBastard list abuses heavily between the Death Tolls and Corruptor. I'm also quite fond of Bloodgorgers in my other lists, and while I don't use her but hardly ever, Mortenebra would also be annoyed with his abilities.

I know there are ways to deal with him. That Phantom Huntered Corruptor's going to have a Buster round with his name on it, that's for sure. Bane Knight scalpels also tend to work well for removing that kind of key model out of a unit.

It's still kind of annoying though the way he seems to so blatantly groin kick a single faction.

Oh that's absolutely right... I'm not sure how I forgot about the Living aspect. Le sigh...

Given the number of "living model" rules Cryx is generally immune to because they're already Undead (apart from the Satyxis and Black Ogrun), I find its a bit rich for them to complain about Blindwater, of all people, getting limited access to the special rule.

Just ask Circle players who have faced you how it feels to be priced with rules which only affect living models, then not being able to use them - Tharn Ravagers being a prime example, off the top of my head (and given I don't play Circle).

Doesn't he work for Every Hordes faction? That's what I was told anyways. If it's just Gators, then yeah, no worries. It's when he starts showing up in every Hordes list the way Rhupert shows up in every Warmachine list that can take him that I'll get annoyed.

You're right- it says he will work for Circle, Legion, Skorne, and Trollbloods...

Cryx at least have multiple options for assassinating a single solo.

While yes, it is a single solo, the Doc is tough enough to kill at range that he will typically do his purpose well before you kill it. See that wall of <insert tarpit infantry here>? Well now they're Undead and Tough. We can deal with Tough, and now Blood Witches may become even more prevalent in metas that feature the Witch Doctor heavily, but being Undead specifically neuters what? Things that rely on souls and living models to be worth their points. What is one specific army in the game most known for?

It's not really complaining that "Oh no, Cryx can't do anything now", it's that if we start seeing the Witch Doc across the board we have even less reason to take things fueled by living creatures. Unfortunately, what they can do after being fueled is built into their cost. For instance, a Pistol Wraith without the ability to boost accuracy and damage is not worth three points since his lockdown shot (assuming BOTH initials hit something) can be replicated by other toolbox solos such as the Siren or Gorman which are both a point less and do more overall. Obviously there are other nice bits like being Incorporeal until he shoots, but both of those others I mentioned are Stealthed and have a wide variety of other uses.

I didn't get a chance to read through Rok or the Sons of Bragg entries. Can anyone offer their opinions on them for me?

Agreed about Lightning Troll. He looks Pimp City.

The thing that annoys me is people hate Banes. They always complain that Cryx players just take Banes and The Sauce. So Wrath comes out and Cryx gets a `Jack with Accumulator Bane. Now Domination comes out and features a Solo that every Hordes faction can take that greatly hinders most stuff in Cryx, EXCEPT Banes who don't rely on Souls or Living Models. I really hope you like seeing Cryx players run lots of Banes, because apparently PP Really wants us to.

Dysartes wrote:
Just ask Circle players who have faced you how it feels to be priced with rules which only affect living models, then not being able to use them - Tharn Ravagers being a prime example, off the top of my head (and given I don't play Circle).

Also, ironically, Gators have the same problem against Cryx: Bloodthirst, Man-eater, Poison, Life Drinker, Grave Door, Snacking, Torpid, Cold Blood, the list of living model only triggered abilities goes on.

Giving us this one boost somehow doesn't seem like we're suddenly giving Cryx the finger or kicking them in the groin.

I'll take your word for it, Platuan - Thornfall for me, rather than Blindwater

Platuan4th wrote:Also, ironically, Gators have the same problem against Cryx: Bloodthirst, Man-eater, Poison, Life Drinker, Grave Door, Snacking, Torpid, Cold Blood, the list of living model only triggered abilities goes on.

Just for the record, I have always loved the ability name Snacking. Though to me (thematically) it shouldn't apply to Trample kills since you aren't hanging back and munching on the leftovers.

Kirbinator wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:Also, ironically, Gators have the same problem against Cryx: Bloodthirst, Man-eater, Poison, Life Drinker, Grave Door, Snacking, Torpid, Cold Blood, the list of living model only triggered abilities goes on.

Just for the record, I have always loved the ability name Snacking. Though to me (thematically) it shouldn't apply to Trample kills since you aren't hanging back and munching on the leftovers.

When a Dire Troll tramples, infantry are just like popcorn - you can't stop with one morsel, you've got to shovel handfuls in...

Kirbinator wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:Also, ironically, Gators have the same problem against Cryx: Bloodthirst, Man-eater, Poison, Life Drinker, Grave Door, Snacking, Torpid, Cold Blood, the list of living model only triggered abilities goes on.

Just for the record, I have always loved the ability name Snacking. Though to me (thematically) it shouldn't apply to Trample kills since you aren't hanging back and munching on the leftovers.

no no, what happens is the dire catches the bits that pop up when he squashes something, kinda like those crush cup yogurts

greenskin lynn wrote:

Kirbinator wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:Also, ironically, Gators have the same problem against Cryx: Bloodthirst, Man-eater, Poison, Life Drinker, Grave Door, Snacking, Torpid, Cold Blood, the list of living model only triggered abilities goes on.

Just for the record, I have always loved the ability name Snacking. Though to me (thematically) it shouldn't apply to Trample kills since you aren't hanging back and munching on the leftovers.

no no, what happens is the dire catches the bits that pop up when he squashes something, kinda like those crush cup yogurts

Whack-a-snack.

Witch Doctor? Not exactly Mk I Alexia is it?

I'm a Cryx player and I'm not so worried.

Aduro wrote:EXCEPT Banes who don't rely on Souls or Living Models. I really hope you like seeing Cryx players run lots of Banes, because apparently PP Really wants us to.

Except for IIIRC, the all the "lets make more Banes" Cryxtryx..

I'm not too worried, this is why I have Stalkers, and Harrowers with Ghost Shot, and the Ragman, and soon perhaps the Bloodhag...