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You know what I mean... My missus told me that Americans are always either Irish American or German American or Mexican American or Scandinavian American.. and she said that if you meet one (usually a Southerner) who says he is just American, as opposed to Native American (white blokes) then he is British American.

I mean, you don't hear that term do you thanks to a war, but there are about as many Americans of British heritage as there is of Irish or Italian.

Point being, if Frazzled is one of those Yanks that practices ancestor worship ( a great many do, something I've always found odd) and knows all of his ancestors way back to the war, then odds one of them is of British stock.

I mean, he doesn't look like a native American!

mattyrm wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
I'm not British. I'm so not British nearly all my ancestors took shots at British at one time or another.

If your one of the few Americans that is actually correct about their ancestors, and your forebears actually fought on the side of the rebels during the revolution, doesn't that make you pretty much 100% British then?

Well, or French, or Indian.

I don't think anyone else fought against the British did they?

You English are so cute. Mine started in lands that were never part of the British Colonies to begin with.
Something about being on the losing end of a minor tiff involving a short island guy with a big hat just trying to make his way on a harsh continent.

Frazzled wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
I'm not British. I'm so not British nearly all my ancestors took shots at British at one time or another.

If your one of the few Americans that is actually correct about their ancestors, and your forebears actually fought on the side of the rebels during the revolution, doesn't that make you pretty much 100% British then?

Well, or French, or Indian.

I don't think anyone else fought against the British did they?

You English are so cute. Mine started in lands that were never part of the British Colonies to begin with.
Something about being on the losing end of a minor tiff involving a short island guy with a big hat just trying to make his way on a harsh continent.

You're French?

purplefood wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
I'm not British. I'm so not British nearly all my ancestors took shots at British at one time or another.

If your one of the few Americans that is actually correct about their ancestors, and your forebears actually fought on the side of the rebels during the revolution, doesn't that make you pretty much 100% British then?

Well, or French, or Indian.

I don't think anyone else fought against the British did they?

You English are so cute. Mine started in lands that were never part of the British Colonies to begin with.
Something about being on the losing end of a minor tiff involving a short island guy with a big hat just trying to make his way on a harsh continent.

You're French?

Among other things. Not everyone who was on the losing side was French
(German, French Acadian, Scottish, Irish, Lithuanian)

Vive Le Emperor!

Explains the wiener dogs. They would have been normal size standing next to Napoleon.

Frazzled wrote:
Something about being on the losing end of a minor tiff involving a short island guy with a big hat just trying to make his way on a harsh continent.

I thought you were from Hawaii and you were talking about Captain Cook.

French.. I think I would rather be an Afghan.

purplefood wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
I'm not British. I'm so not British nearly all my ancestors took shots at British at one time or another.

If your one of the few Americans that is actually correct about their ancestors, and your forebears actually fought on the side of the rebels during the revolution, doesn't that make you pretty much 100% British then?

Well, or French, or Indian.

I don't think anyone else fought against the British did they?

The Dutch?
Either way as long as 'our' guys got a chance to shoot back i'm okay with it...

Did the Dutch ever take a swipe at the UK?

d-usa wrote:Explains the wiener dogs. They would have been normal size standing next to Napoleon.

Once while watching something on World War I, they had a film clip of the Kaiser, being annoyed by a jumping, yapping wiener dog. "Look!" She shouts "Even the Kaiser couldn't control his wiener dogs!" TBone snickered slightly.

mattyrm wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Something about being on the losing end of a minor tiff involving a short island guy with a big hat just trying to make his way on a harsh continent.

I thought you were from Hawaii and you were talking about Captain Cook.

French.. I think I would rather be an Afghan.

All i know is i'd rather not be French...

AustonT wrote:

purplefood wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
I'm not British. I'm so not British nearly all my ancestors took shots at British at one time or another.

If your one of the few Americans that is actually correct about their ancestors, and your forebears actually fought on the side of the rebels during the revolution, doesn't that make you pretty much 100% British then?

Well, or French, or Indian.

I don't think anyone else fought against the British did they?

The Dutch?
Either way as long as 'our' guys got a chance to shoot back i'm okay with it...

Did the Dutch ever take a swipe at the UK?

Fairly sure they did at some point in time...
I know we got the idea for fireships from them...

I went on the Wikipedia; it appears there were 4 Anglo-Dutch wars. Who claims fighting the British 2-300 hundred years ago as part of their proud heritage?

...oh right.

AustonT wrote:I went on the Wikipedia; it appears there were 4 Anglo-Dutch wars. Who claims fighting the British 2-300 hundred years ago as part of their proud heritage?

...oh right.

When In doubt, I just presume the British have had a war with them. Good mates with the Dutch for the past few years mind... certainly there doesn't seem to be lasting enmity, the Dutch are very fond of us.

As opposed to the French, who will hate us until the end of days.

Or is it us (everyone else) who will hate the French?

I don't think Britain ever had a war with Greenland, and maybe El Salvador. If I were them I'd be scared...

Update on topic by the way...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-18015823

Heywood grooming: Chief Constable says more arrests 'likely

The Chief Constable of Greater Manchester has said more arrests are likely in connection with a child sexual grooming ring in Heywood.

Peter Fahy said he hoped more victims of sexual abuse will come forward after nine men were jailed on Tuesday.

The men, from Rochdale and Oldham, who exploited girls as young as 13 were given sentences from four to 19 years.

Five girls gave evidence, but police believe there may have been up to 47 victims.

The nine defendants, eight of Pakistani origin and one from Afghanistan and aged between 24 and 59, were found guilty of offences including rape and conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child.

Mr Fahy said there had been "a number of arrests" in other sexual abuse cases and there were "a number of other trials pending".

Hopefully more people will get nailed for this gak.

It is one of those kinds of crime that you just never want to happen to anyone, no matter how much you dislike them.

I hope that all the victims come forward to help put those responcible away forever and get whatever help they need to try and get better.

Why don't we just castrate all sex attackers.
A a note, on TV just Asian male blaming girls parents, even though victims were in care.

My disgust is for the police, who did nothing as usual.

My daughter is in further education, and the site she goes to, is next door to Asian community.
I used to collect her every night, because Asian youths trying to pick her up.
I offered to remove their testicles, and feed them to them while still fresh.
They moved on

loki old fart wrote:My daughter is in further education, and the site she goes to, is next door to Asian community.
I used to collect her every night, because Asian youths trying to pick her up.
I offered to remove their testicles, and feed them to them while still fresh.
They moved on

There is certainly a culture clash - it is like that if you ever go out into (especially) muslim countries in the middle and far east as a westerner; happened when I used to go on holiday with my parents (and when my parents worked out in the middle and far east) and when I went on my honeymoon with my wife to Egypt. It seems there is a view that anyone who doesn't dress the way they want them to dress and point the right way when praying as less than human and fair game a lot of the time.

This is in my personal experience, and the experience of a number of people I have talked with on the subject who have experienced it first hand.

loki old fart wrote:Why don't we just castrate all sex attackers.

That won't stop many of them.

Often it's a matter of domination more than sex for these kinds of people.

Of course this is racially motivated, but this is not the fault of Islam it is an entirely social problem that stems from ghettoisation and lack of integration. That is the problem here, Britain today is multicultural, and no amount of witch hunts and demonisation from the political right will change that, what we need to do is accept people as British and offer them all the benefit of such status on the proviso of them taking on the responsibility of being part of society.

Now as much as their motivation is clear, what is the motivtion of the CPS? Sexual crime has a tiny conviction rate, and if they felt getting a conviction was more assured by not 'muddying the waters' with the subject of race then that is fair enough.

However, politicians must see these incidents for what they are so as we can have an actual informed debate as to what is happening in our society, and deal with the underlying causes. And anyone found complicit in allowing this to carry on for another four years due to some self interested fear of being deemed racist needs the full weight of the law to come down on them.

I wonder if sites like celebjihad reflects to Muslim perception of christian women, or warps it.

PS look at comments section

dæl wrote:Of course this is racially motivated, but this is not the fault of Islam it is an entirely social problem that stems from ghettoisation and lack of integration. That is the problem here, Britain today is multicultural, and no amount of witch hunts and demonisation from the political right will change that, what we need to do is accept people as British and offer them all the benefit of such status on the proviso of them taking on the responsibility of being part of society.

And this kind of thinking right here is what is going to destroy western nations...

When you emigrate to another country the onus to integrate and comply to that country's laws and culture should be on you!

Try and go to any middle eastern country and don't conform to their habits and culture and see how far that will get you...

The US have got it partially right on this one, if you wan't to stay you should be tested on your knowledge of the local culture and language among other things, if you can't get it right, you can get the hell out back to whatever hell hole you came from.

PhantomViper wrote:

dæl wrote:Of course this is racially motivated, but this is not the fault of Islam it is an entirely social problem that stems from ghettoisation and lack of integration. That is the problem here, Britain today is multicultural, and no amount of witch hunts and demonisation from the political right will change that, what we need to do is accept people as British and offer them all the benefit of such status on the proviso of them taking on the responsibility of being part of society.

And this kind of thinking right here is what is going to destroy western nations...

When you emigrate to another country the onus to integrate and comply to that country's laws and culture should be on you!

Try and go to any middle eastern country and don't conform to their habits and culture and see how far that will get you...

The US have got it partially right on this one, if you wan't to stay you should be tested on your knowledge of the local culture and language among other things, if you can't get it right, you can get the hell out back to whatever hell hole you came from.

I'm not sure if you know or not but to gain British citizenship you need to pass a test similar to the USAs but... well with British stuff instead.
You also need to display English language skills... though i'm not sure to what extent...

purplefood wrote:
I'm not sure if you know or not but to gain British citizenship you need to pass a test similar to the USAs but... well with British stuff instead.
You also need to display English language skills... though i'm not sure to what extent...

There you go, you learn something new every day. I had no idea about that.

So, when are americans going to start switching over to speaking the native languages and living in tents?

SilverMK2 wrote:So, when are americans going to start switching over to speaking the native languages and living in tents?

What nonsense are you talking about?

Frazzled wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:So, when are americans going to start switching over to speaking the native languages and living in tents?

What nonsense are you talking about?

Culture is not static, nor are civilisations. There were several groups of people living in America before a large part of Europedecided to take a boat over the ocean.

Even the culture that you (generic) are trying to defend by forcing people to pass tests etc is different from that of your parents. It is different from that in the next town, the next state, etc.

Even in the most totalitarian countries, cultures shift over time. Of course, it is often better that the change comes slowly, but change is inevitable, no matter what some people wish to believe.

Integration works both ways and should be to the benefit of everyone.

The comment above was a jocular reference to one culture replacing and pretty much wiping out another and the decendent culture seeming to think that anyone living in that culture should be subsumed into it completely, giving up their own completely.

Culture is not static, nor are civilisations. There were several groups of people living in America before a large part of Europedecided to take a boat over the ocean.

***Turns out many of them were European too. ; )

Integration works both ways and should be to the benefit of everyone.

***Why is it beneficial? As you noted, it wasn’t beneficial for the people living in the Americas before that Italian guy showed up.

Assimilation works both ways...

Melissia wrote:

loki old fart wrote:Why don't we just castrate all sex attackers.

That won't stop many of them.

Often it's a matter of domination more than sex for these kinds of people.

In this case I think it would make a difference, since the the circumstances are a little different to your typical opportunistic rapist.

On top of that it would serve a strong deterrent to others, few things make guys more queasy than talking about castration.

PhantomViper wrote:

dæl wrote:Of course this is racially motivated, but this is not the fault of Islam it is an entirely social problem that stems from ghettoisation and lack of integration. That is the problem here, Britain today is multicultural, and no amount of witch hunts and demonisation from the political right will change that, what we need to do is accept people as British and offer them all the benefit of such status on the proviso of them taking on the responsibility of being part of society.

And this kind of thinking right here is what is going to destroy western nations...

When you emigrate to another country the onus to integrate and comply to that country's laws and culture should be on you!

Try and go to any middle eastern country and don't conform to their habits and culture and see how far that will get you...

Bolded the bit you disregarded. Currently we don't encourage integration and the right wing media are very quick to attack and vilify minorities regardless of their citizenship status (something it's very hard to actually get) and claim that people can turn up and claim fully from the welfare state (an outright lie). People learn about how to behave from socialisation, and if people from other cultures are not joining in with the rest of society how are they taught what is expected of them? Misogyny is prevalent is many cultures around the world, but is thankfully becoming less common as we all become a bit less backward, this isn't solely a Muslim problem, but an ignorance problem. The onus is on the teaching of respect for others, something religion of all things should teach but in some cases fails.

melissa wrote:

loki old fart wrote:
Why don't we just castrate all sex attackers.

That won't stop many of them.

Often it's a matter of domination more than sex for these kinds of people.

Melissa is right here, there is a massive correlation between sexual predatory behaviour and arson, in some circumstances however chemical castration has proved benefical in rehabilitation, but the person must want to be rehabilitated otherwise they can just stop taking the drugs.