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Frazzled wrote:This is true, if it was an instance and not policy.

Then the policy should be changed. Removing it entirely is just reactionary idiocy.

Melissia wrote:
I guess we should be getting rid of religious education because it's obviously staffed by a bunch of pederasts who just want to fondle young boys.

You're thinking too small. Some people with sexual desires are pederasts, so all people with sexual desires must also be pederasts. The women are the worst, because they go so far as to have their sex changed just so they can get in on that sweet, sweet man-boy love. Well, and because NAMBLA gives out strawberry lube by the gallon.

Melissia wrote:

Frazzled wrote:This is true, if it was an instance and not policy.

Then the policy should be changed. Removing it entirely is just reactionary idiocy.

I didn't say it was a bad policy. I think you might mispercieve my stance on the issue.

In Frazzled's world if you don't have money, if you don't have connections, you get the best education you possibly can and use it as your hammer.

Plus it embarasses the little demons. Its Frazzled policy to be an embarassment whenever possible...er wait!

I was referring to the actions of the state gov in the OP, not you Fraz.

Frazzled wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:I agree, In the interest of public health. The Govt should teach things in liu of parents. Like Nutrition and fitness

Well, thinking back on the horror show that was "health" and my public school PE classes, that kind of just blew your argument right out of the water.
In martial arts I learned fitness (and how to burn out your knees but thats a fun side effect). In college I learned fitness.
In public school PE I learned how to jump someone between the lockers and the gym when they weren't expecting it, how to make an entire class sit on the bleachers for a semester so the basketball team could get extra practice in, and how to destroy younger kids in "touch" football. I leanred that every PE coach should be fired and their money used for something more productive, like basket weaving.

Yeah, they arent good, But that doesnt mean we shouldn't
If we show young adults real things, such as how chips can contain enough calories for a quarter of a day.
Im against teaching kids religion or politics(let them figure it out for themselves) but damnit, things that make the world safer and save us money should be mandatory.

biccat wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:Actually, when me and the missus got pregnant with our spawn of satan we took a parenting course given by professionals that teached us about proper baby and pregnancy nutrition, new-born care and hygiene and lots of other stuff that are more or less important in taking care of a baby. Could we have managed without it? Sure, lots of people do around the world, but what is the problem in trying to learn to do it the "better" way?

I don't see a problem with that.

If you disagreed that the way they were teaching you was better, would you still have attended?

Do you think you should have been required to attend that class, regardless of whether you thought the teaching was better?

You can't agree or disagree, these aren't matters of opinion, they are medical facts. Both my mother and my mother in law sure did disagree with some of the stuff we were taught, because they had raised their kids in other times and some of the stuff that they thought was true or beneficial for the baby was actually wrong...

The same thing happens with sex ed. People often have wrong notions about sex that they pass along to their kids and that may prove hurtful to their sexual health.

biccat wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:You seem to have a pretty heavy bias against education Biccat, any particular reason for this?

I have a bias against tyranny.

I really have no problem teaching kids math, science, reading and writing. Beyond that, schools should just stay out of the issue.

I really don't know how to respond to something like this. Equalling sex ed classes to tyranny is mind boggling.

So what about History? Philosophy? Literature? Art? Should those be taught to kids or do you consider them tyranny as well?

Melissia wrote:I was referring to the actions of the state gov in the OP, not you Fraz.

Agreed, I'm just thinking its not that bad of a policy.

Frazzled wrote:

Melissia wrote:I was referring to the actions of the state gov in the OP, not you Fraz.

Agreed, I'm just thinking its not that bad of a policy.

They should encourage the boys to also experiment with giving blowjobs to try to put condoms on.

That way there's less "married for ten years then he finds out he's gay" syndrome.

Gotta pity those wives.

PhantomViper wrote:You can't agree or disagree, these aren't matters of opinion, they are medical facts.

Actually, you can. You might not want people to disagree, but they can disagree.

PhantomViper wrote:The same thing happens with sex ed. People often have wrong notions about sex that they pass along to their kids and that may prove hurtful to their sexual health.

Actually, that's the great thing about sex. If you get it wrong you don't have any kids to pass it along to.

PhantomViper wrote:I really don't know how to respond to something like this. Equalling sex ed classes to tyranny is mind boggling.

No. Requiring sex ed classes is tyranny.

PhantomViper wrote:So what about History? Philosophy? Literature? Art? Should those be taught to kids or do you consider them tyranny as well?

Should? Yes. But if you require the kids to attend classes on History, Philosophy, Literature or Art, then it is tyranny.

Y'know what else is tyranny? Deciding what can and cant be taught Biccat, Which seems to be what you are advocating.

Biccat you are a really interesting specimen. Attempting to claim that sexual education equates to tyranny has to be one of the most foolish things that I have ever read on the internet (and as you can imagine thats quite an accolade).

Personally I think sex education should be compulsory, and divided into two sections:

1: The "science" side of things. Teaches kids the actual biology, information about STDs, how you can and can't get pregnant, etc.

2: The "social" side, which teaches about sexuality, saying no, how there is no shame in sex itself, and actually bothers to teach kids how to have and enjoy sex (possibly when they're a but older).

Melissia wrote:
Gotta pity those wives.

I've found "free at last God Allmighty free at last!" was more appropriately used.


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hotsauceman1 wrote:Y'know what else is tyranny? Deciding what can and cant be taught Biccat, Which seems to be what you are advocating.

Tahts called parenting actually, or to a slightly larger extent local school boards.


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Squigsquasher wrote:Personally I think sex education should be compulsory, and divided into two sections:

1: The "science" side of things. Teaches kids the actual biology, information about STDs, how you can and can't get pregnant, etc.

2: The "social" side, which teaches about sexuality, saying no, how there is no shame in sex itself, and actually bothers to teach kids how to have and enjoy sex (possibly when they're a but older).

I'll 3. Honor and personal responsibility. Thats something sorely lacking.

biccat wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:So what about History? Philosophy? Literature? Art? Should those be taught to kids or do you consider them tyranny as well?

Should? Yes. But if you require the kids to attend classes on History, Philosophy, Literature or Art, then it is tyranny.

Cool, I never realised I lived in a tyrannical state until now, because all those classes are mandatory in my country as well!

PARENTING IS TYRANNY!


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PhantomViper wrote:

biccat wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:So what about History? Philosophy? Literature? Art? Should those be taught to kids or do you consider them tyranny as well?

Should? Yes. But if you require the kids to attend classes on History, Philosophy, Literature or Art, then it is tyranny.

Cool, I never realised I lived in a tyrannical state until now, because all those classes are mandatory in my country as well!

Biccat's understanding of Tyranny equates to "anything I don't like".

hotsauceman1 wrote:Y'know what else is tyranny? Deciding what can and cant be taught.

By golly, you're right!

Oh wait, this doesn't prohibit any sort of teaching. Parents can still teach their kids about all kinds of sexual recreation. It's the government deciding what it is going to teach in its own schools.

Melissia wrote:PARENTING IS TYRANNY!

- Frazzled's guide to parenting.

Frazzled wrote:

I'll 3. Honor and personal responsibility. Thats something sorely lacking.

They would be part of the social aspect, though I'm not sure what you mean by honour.

Melissia wrote:PARENTING IS TYRANNY!

I know you were joking, but I wholeheartedly agree.

They would be part of the social aspect, though I'm not sure what you mean by honour.

Being a stand up family man. Anyone can be a sperm donor. It takes effort, commitment, and thinking about the needs of others beyond yours, to be a father.

PhantomViper wrote:Cool, I never realised I lived in a tyrannical state until now, because all those classes are mandatory in my country as well!

Palindrome wrote:Biccat you are a really interesting specimen. Attempting to claim that sexual education equates to tyranny has to be one of the most foolish things that I have ever read on the internet (and as you can imagine thats quite an accolade).

Any time someone makes you do something it's tyranny and limits your freedom.

Some people like being told what to do. Personally, I have a problem with it.

You might not value your freedom, I value mine. Whats more, I value yours as well.

biccat wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:Y'know what else is tyranny? Deciding what can and cant be taught.

By golly, you're right!

Oh wait, this doesn't prohibit any sort of teaching. Parents can still teach their kids about all kinds of sexual recreation. It's the government deciding what it is going to teach in its own schools.

Listen, Im going to say this simple, SEX ED SAVES MONEY, teenage mothers are more likely to end on welfare an those kids have little demons themselves. If we teach them what sex entails, what the hell can happen, and how to be safe and provide the means to be safe, it aint gonna happen.
Remember sex is built into us, itt something we do naturally, so its gonna happen either way.
Sex ed should be required as should the means to safe sex.

biccat wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:You can't agree or disagree, these aren't matters of opinion, they are medical facts.

Actually, you can. You might not want people to disagree, but they can disagree.

PhantomViper wrote:The same thing happens with sex ed. People often have wrong notions about sex that they pass along to their kids and that may prove hurtful to their sexual health.

Actually, that's the great thing about sex. If you get it wrong you don't have any kids to pass it along to.

PhantomViper wrote:I really don't know how to respond to something like this. Equalling sex ed classes to tyranny is mind boggling.

No. Requiring sex ed classes is tyranny.

PhantomViper wrote:So what about History? Philosophy? Literature? Art? Should those be taught to kids or do you consider them tyranny as well?

Should? Yes. But if you require the kids to attend classes on History, Philosophy, Literature or Art, then it is tyranny.

Syria is a tyranny.

Requiring children to attend classes is not a tyranny.

hotsauceman1 wrote:Remember sex is built into us

Now there you go interrupting his religious views like taht.

Strangely when I was in school I thought it was a tyranny by the afternoon of every day....

Bah, the few times I went to Sunday school I thought it was far more tyrannical.

At least public school let you read lord of the rings.

Melissia wrote:Bah, the few times I went to Sunday school I thought it was far more tyrannical.

At least public school let you read lord of the rings.

not at my school or the kkids school. We had to read crap like Great Expectations which made me want to commit suicide, and by suicide I mean go back in time and nuke England.

You keep your nukes off my country!

Frazzled wrote:

Melissia wrote:Bah, the few times I went to Sunday school I thought it was far more tyrannical.

At least public school let you read lord of the rings.

not at my school or the kkids school. We had to read crap like Great Expectations which made me want to commit suicide, and by suicide I mean go back in time and nuke England.

I liked it...

biccat wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:Cool, I never realised I lived in a tyrannical state until now, because all those classes are mandatory in my country as well!

Palindrome wrote:Biccat you are a really interesting specimen. Attempting to claim that sexual education equates to tyranny has to be one of the most foolish things that I have ever read on the internet (and as you can imagine thats quite an accolade).

Any time someone makes you do something it's tyranny and limits your freedom.

Some people like being told what to do. Personally, I have a problem with it.

You might not value your freedom, I value mine. Whats more, I value yours as well.

Ah, yes, the freedom of a young girl to get pregnant and have to raise a child years before she's emotionally ready (much less socially or financially ready) because no one bothered to give her the facts she needed to avoid it...