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BlapBlapBlap wrote:How about if we simply lobotomize rowdy teenagers, only leaving fit parents in the Gene Pool?

But that would mean increasing gov'mnt control and cries of "DEY TOOK ORE BRAINS!"

I'm assuming Tenessee is also going to ban TV? Lots o' huggin' and kissin' going on there; can't let the kids see that! And don't eveng get me started on those intranets, they're just stuffed full of indecency... Oh! We've gotta ban iPads, smart phonse, laptops... heck, let's just ban computers all together!


The sheer amount of 'derp' involved in this law staggers me. Just when I though conservatives could get any dumber....

Ahtman wrote:I'm pretty sure being human is the gateway to sexual activity.

I thought it was being a boy scout?

I feel sorry for those students when they make it to college.

Co-ed dorms are going to blow their minds.

Just ridiculous. The end result of a large group of people deciding to stop thinking.

It saddens me that these people are basically trying to deny something that everyone goes through, sticking their fingers in thei ears and closing their eyes rather than realising that by preparing and informing people, you make things they are going to do anyway safer, rather than making them do stuff they had never considered doing because you have just 'told them about it'.

I'm sure lots of the people who pushed this bill have experimented with far more than 'gateway' sexual expreiences...

I wish I had learned about gateway sexual activity....

We didn't kiss or hug till our 3rd date. It made the sex on the first and second dates rather awkward and impersonal.

Horst wrote:I wish I had learned about gateway sexual activity....

We didn't kiss or hug till our 3rd date. It made the sex on the first and second dates rather awkward and impersonal.

Damn, what's that from again, it's on the tip of my tongue.....

Krellnus wrote:

Horst wrote:I wish I had learned about gateway sexual activity....

We didn't kiss or hug till our 3rd date. It made the sex on the first and second dates rather awkward and impersonal.

Damn, what's that from again, it's on the tip of my tongue.....

American dad.

Why hasn't anyone made a "Kids - Don't Do Hugs" campaign ad yet?

Say no to hugs!

Possibly with a picture of Huggy Bear with a line through him...

sebster wrote:Just ridiculous. The end result of a large group of people deciding to stop thinking.

And yet this is pretty much normal and expectable for the religious right.


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SilverMK2 wrote:It saddens me that these people are basically trying to deny something that everyone goes through, sticking their fingers in thei ears and closing their eyes rather than realising that by preparing and informing people, you make things they are going to do anyway safer, rather than making them do stuff they had never considered doing because you have just 'told them about it'.

I'm sure lots of the people who pushed this bill have experimented with far more than 'gateway' sexual expreiences...

I wonder how many of them took a trip to the bathroom and that weird hole in the stall after passing the bill.

Am I the only one who doesn't get what the law is mandating or limiting?
-No PDA's in school? Duh...
-And????

I don't get the law. In Tennessee's defense they have good barbeque and lots of moonshine. Someone may have gotten into the moonshine and passed a law. Its not like it would be the first time.

This reminds me of a quote by Joseph Scheidler

"I would like to outlaw contraception...contraception is disgusting – people using each other for pleasure."

I bet his wife is a happy women.

My guess is that someone hit the moonshine a little too hard, woke up in the bed surrounded by naked sweaty men, and decided that they had to prove their straightness by passing a stupid law.

"Have I mentioned that I am straight today?"

Well there's something there, its just confused.*


*Confused usually means gets thrown out by a court somewhere.

Frazzled wrote:Well there's something there, its just confused

One could say that, yes

Frazzled wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't get what the law is mandating or limiting?
-No PDA's in school? Duh...
-And????

You're not allowed to tell kids about Js that start with B or H as part of abstinance-only education.

Basically, groups such as PP were trying to get around the abstinance-only program by teaching kids about alternative options. Which tend to be more dangerous and prone to spreading STDs.

Why Liberals want kids to have syphilis is beyond me.

biccat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't get what the law is mandating or limiting?
-No PDA's in school? Duh...
-And????

You're not allowed to tell kids about Js that start with B or H as part of abstinance-only education.

Basically, groups such as PP were trying to get around the abstinance-only program by teaching kids about alternative options. Which tend to be more dangerous and prone to spreading STDs.

Why Liberals want kids to have syphilis is beyond me.

A HJ or a BJ is more dangerous and prone to spreading disease than full on intercourse? /not-sure-if-serious

I mean, sure, it can make you go blind, but there are a handful of STDs that have the same effect...

PhantomViper wrote:A HJ or a BJ is more dangerous and prone to spreading disease than full on intercourse? /not-sure-if-serious

A small number of highly vocal churches/pastors gladly say this (no matter how false it is). Then again, these also would say that "the only alternative to marriage is abstinence-- including not masturbating-- and if you don't practice it you're a horrible sinner who is going to hell" too.

Melissia wrote:A small number of highly vocal churches/pastors gladly say this (no matter how false it is). Then again, these also would say that "the only alternative to marriage is abstinence-- including not masturbating-- and if you don't practice it you're a horrible sinner who is going to hell" too.

Are these the same people who casually suggest that all conservatives are latent homosexuals?

PhantomViper wrote:A HJ or a BJ is more dangerous and prone to spreading disease than full on intercourse? /not-sure-if-serious

Read the article and be enlightened.

Sorry I found the article to be confusing, hence my earlier question.

biccat wrote:

Melissia wrote:A small number of highly vocal churches/pastors gladly say this (no matter how false it is). Then again, these also would say that "the only alternative to marriage is abstinence-- including not masturbating-- and if you don't practice it you're a horrible sinner who is going to hell" too.

Are these the same people who casually suggest that all conservatives are latent homosexuals?

PhantomViper wrote:A HJ or a BJ is more dangerous and prone to spreading disease than full on intercourse? /not-sure-if-serious

Read the article and be enlightened.

As a morally bankrupt European that I am, I found the article to be complete garbage and the notion that the only answer that you guys can find to a growing teen pregnancy and teen STD problem is "don't talk about sex... EVER, because it gives children ideas!", to be naive at best and criminally negligent and one of the causes of the problem at worst!

Also what I think the PP guys were saying on the article is that while OS and AS are valid methods to engage in sexual activity without risking pregnancy, there are still some STD risk involved (allot more in AS then in OS and I frankly never heard of anyone catching an STD through a HJ)...

PhantomViper wrote:As a morally bankrupt European that I am, I found the article to be complete garbage and the notion that the only answer that you guys can find to a growing teen pregnancy and teen STD problem is "don't talk about sex... EVER, because it gives children ideas!", to be naive at best and criminally negligent and one of the causes of the problem at worst!

As a stick-in-the-mud American, I find the idea of teaching kids about sex in a classroom full of their peers to be just a little bit creepy. Especially teaching kids about how to have fun with sex.

PhantomViper wrote:Also what I think the PP guys were saying on the article is that while OS and AS are valid methods to engage in sexual activity without risking pregnancy, there are still some STD risk involved

The intent of the PP guys advocating OS and AS was to get around the abstinance-only requirement for schools. The law in question is solving this problem.

biccat wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:As a morally bankrupt European that I am, I found the article to be complete garbage and the notion that the only answer that you guys can find to a growing teen pregnancy and teen STD problem is "don't talk about sex... EVER, because it gives children ideas!", to be naive at best and criminally negligent and one of the causes of the problem at worst!

As a stick-in-the-mud American, I find the idea of teaching kids about sex in a classroom full of their peers to be just a little bit creepy. Especially teaching kids about how to have fun with sex.

How can you think like that when the alternative is that they will be unaware of all the risks that come with unprotected sex?

My mother is a doctor so she made my father give me the full talk, including how a condom is supposed to work and why I should always use one (and the offer that I could steal his whenever I wanted)... Believe me there is nothing more awkward for a 14 year old boy then that kind of conversation, but I fully plan to have it with my son in about 10 years time (or even earlier since kids these days are allot more exposed to sexual content than 20 years ago), because the possible consequences of not having that "talk" are too serious to even contemplate!

biccat wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:Also what I think the PP guys were saying on the article is that while OS and AS are valid methods to engage in sexual activity without risking pregnancy, there are still some STD risk involved

The intent of the PP guys advocating OS and AS was to get around the abstinance-only requirement for schools. The law in question is solving this problem.

Lyndsey Godwin, manager of education and training for Planned Parenthood, told Reuters the idea that her group was encouraging such behavior was "utterly false." She said that while Planned Parenthood educators may answer a student's question by agreeing that anal and oral sex don't lead to pregnancy, they also emphasize the disease risks.
Godwin said Planned Parenthood supports the state's abstinence-centered policy, but the reality is not everyone can be abstinent. She said that being able to address issues of condom use and contraception and answer questions about sexual behaviors to educate students are essential to her group's role.

PhantomViper wrote:How can you think like that when the alternative is that they will be unaware of all the risks that come with unprotected sex?

Because that's not the alternative.

Did you learn about how to have safe sex in school? If not, were you unaware of all of the risks that come with unprotected sex?

Lyndsey Godwin, manager of education and training for Planned Parenthood, told Reuters the idea that her group was encouraging such behavior was "utterly false." She said that while Planned Parenthood educators may answer a student's question by agreeing that anal and oral sex don't lead to pregnancy, they also emphasize the disease risks.
Godwin said Planned Parenthood supports the state's abstinence-centered policy, but the reality is not everyone can be abstinent. She said that being able to address issues of condom use and contraception and answer questions about sexual behaviors to educate students are essential to her group's role.

Umm...yes. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. This is wholly consistent with my comment.

Frazzled's speech to The Boy before he went off to prom:
*No booze/drugs and stay away from people doing that. You're driving stupid.
*No cops.
*No babies.

I'm just going to leave this here...

Yep. So glad I live in the Northeast with filthy Yankees.

And my original thought to the article: We're going to Nuke it from Orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

biccat wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:How can you think like that when the alternative is that they will be unaware of all the risks that come with unprotected sex?

Because that's not the alternative.

Did you learn about how to have safe sex in school? If not, were you unaware of all of the risks that come with unprotected sex?

Like I said, I learnt about safe sex through my parents, but that isn't a viable solution to many people.

I didn't learn about safe sex at school because my country in the 80's was even more narrow minded that you guys. Curiously enough, we also had a growing problem with teenage pregnancy that has decreased significantly when sex education classes were introduced in schools in the 90's.

So what is your alternative to sex education in schools? Because clearly "abstinence only" isn't working out too well if those numbers are real (and the simple fact that teenagers will have sex, doesn't matter if anyone else will tell them not to).

PhantomViper wrote:

biccat wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:How can you think like that when the alternative is that they will be unaware of all the risks that come with unprotected sex?

Because that's not the alternative.

Did you learn about how to have safe sex in school? If not, were you unaware of all of the risks that come with unprotected sex?

Like I said, I learnt about safe sex through my parents, but that isn't a viable solution to many people.

I didn't learn about safe sex at school because my country in the 80's was even more narrow minded that you guys. Curiously enough, we also had a growing problem with teenage pregnancy that has decreased significantly when sex education classes were introduced in schools in the 90's.

So what is your alternative to sex education in schools? Because clearly "abstinence only" isn't working out too well if those numbers are real (and the simple fact that teenagers will have sex, doesn't matter if anyone else will tell them not to).

Schools near where I live understand that teenagers will have sex. So they teach us about condoms, contraception, and how else to have safe sex.

It's really in the lower class areas that it's "Abstinence is key! Remember kids, if you have sex, you will get chlamydia, and you will die."