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**Matt.Kingsley**

^Exactly what I was going to say, but then I remebered I had to type

**nomotog**

You wouldn't think the word ally would be so hard to understand.

**CaptainLoken**

starraptor wrote:If i recall correctly in the tau codex (i havent read it in ages) theres a blurb about tau and Ultramarines having a short alliance to fight tyrinids (if i remeber correctly) and the marines leaving afterwards without killing the tau. and it said the marine commander was impressed by the tau. Actually it might have been an old white dwarf i read it in. Anyways my point being this isnt a sudden new thing, The Greater Good is an insuis thing.

You are thinking about a battle where the Ultramarines and Tau were fighting each other, when suddenly, a Tyranid swarm showed up at the planet. The Ultramarines, realizing that the Tyranids were a bigger threat, started shooting at the bugs, and ignored the Tau. The Tau, realizing the threat, also started shooting at the Tyranids. They were each located in thier own teritory, and never "worked together". After the Ultramarines were out of immediate danger, Calgar announced to the Tau that he was going to destroy the planet. He allowed them to leave, because they did not attack the Ultramarines while they were fighting the bugs. Once the Tau were off world, Calgar destroyed the planet. He felt that the Tau acted with honor, which was something that he did not expect from the aliens. In return, he acted out of honor. It was a reflection on Calgar's character, rather then his relationship to the Tau.

Now, that is a LONG way from being "Battle Brothers". I don't care what your definition of "ally" is, one army ignoring another army, so that they may fight a bigger threat has nothing to do with politics or cooperation. The two armies were fighting the bugs, because they were trying to survive. They did not work together. They did not coordinate their efforts. They were fighting their own battles that just happened to be on the same planet. Once the danger was over, the Astartes decided to destroy the planet, so that NEITHER of their enemies would have a former human world.

Now, if you are using the Allies rules in the 6th Edition book, then Calgar could have joined a unit of Fire Warriors during the game. That implies not only communication, but cooperation. That is completely different from the example listed in the Fluff. You all can argue all you want over the exact definition of the word "ally", but the reality is in the game mechanics.

I can justify playing a team game, using my Ultramarines, with another player that is using Tau, because the two forces are completely different armies. They can not join each other, lead each other's units, or share special rules. The two armies are "just fighting the same foe on the same battlefield". That is not working as "allies", regardless of your use of the word.

But, with the 6th Edition Allies rules, I could move an Ultramarines Independent Character into coherancy with a Tau unit, and use my special rules to benefit the Tau unit. THAT is an ALLY. That is what I am having trouble with. I know that various armies have "worked together", used mercenaries, and all other kinds of stuff in the Fluff.

However, they have NEVER been able to use their own special rules to benefit each other. That is new to 6th Edition.

The "Inducted Imperial Forces" rule actually represented the Fluff, as an Inquisitor could ask or demand all kinds of support from other Imperial organizations. However, Astartes actually LEADING xenos forces has never happened. They were made to kill the xenos, not lead them.

I'm not against certain "Fluffy" alliences, but a general "lets change the Fluff so that we can sell more product" has me a little ticked.

**Galdos**

Kaldor wrote:
Galdos wrote:just because you share the same interest, does not mean you are allied

The Dictionary wrote:a merging of efforts or interests

What?

Share, means you have a few of the same.

Merge means your interest combine into one interest. It is no longer your interest and his interest but a collective. It ceases to be "my best interest is similar to your best interest" and becomes "this is for our best interest"

If two groups have the interest of killing every living creature in the galaxy but themselves, they are not allied with each other even though their interest is pretty much identical.

Im sorry that was poorly worded, thank you for mentioning that

**Pacific**

No... and I think the problem will be what people see as being 'correct' - in terms of whether army x would really fight alongside army y, and what is the nature of their presence with each other on the battleground.

All of this talk of semantics doesn't really get to the main issue here - which is that some of that allies table in the rumours thread has some really odd combinations which don't fit at all with current background, meaning that it must have been changed in some way:
- Marines are now 'brothers in arms' with the Tau (an alien race, last time I checked), while only 'allies of convenience' with Sisters of Battle, and somewhat more hilariously, Grey knights. So the Astartes, a group of individuals held by 10,000 years of dogma and religious ritual, fight more comfortably alongside a blue skinned alien than they do against a chapter created by the Emperor himself.
- Black Templars, you remember the guys who are the biggest followers of Sigismund - the marine who was given charge of the most zealous marines to separate from the Fists after the Heresy? Well guess what: They will now fight alongside Eldar (to the same level as Marines fighting alongside GK) and even the Necrons and Dark Eldar

(perhaps on the basis that they share a similar armour colour?)
- Chaos fighting alongside Tau? No.

If it didn't look as though the image in the rumours gallery was a genuine photo from the book, you might well think that this allies chart was an attempt at trolling. That is however, unless the background has changed significantly to the point where Marines are now regularly fighting alongside Tau, and view them as 'battle brothers', and Black Templars have perhaps decided that Dark Eldar and Necrons aren't too bad once you get to know them.

**Manchu**

Maybe this just signals that the Marines aren't really all that ... well, loyal to the Imperium. Makes sense to me. They are post-humans, after all. Only a very few of them show any genuine compassion toward regular human beings. Even the prototypical ones, the Ultramarines, clearly see themselves as superiors -- ruling over rather than serving humanity. Just a thought.

**deathholydeath**

Manchu wrote:Maybe this just signals that the Marines aren't really all that ... well, loyal to the Imperium. Makes sense to me. They are post-humans, after all. Only a very few of them show any genuine compassion toward regular human beings. Even the prototypical ones, the Ultramarines, clearly see themselves as superiors -- ruling over rather than serving humanity. Just a thought.

This is true. SM loyalty is to the Emperor first, their primarchs second, and the IoM at a distant third.

**jareddm**

Pacific wrote:- Marines are now 'brothers in arms' with the Tau (an alien race, last time I checked), while only 'allies of convenience' with Sisters of Battle, and somewhat more hilariously, Grey knights.

Actually, I'm more okay about the Grey Knights bit than I would've expected. One of the few positive bits about the GK codex is showing just how separate and alien the GK's methods are from both other space marine chapters and the rest of the Imperium. That while the rumors of mind wiping and murdering every space marine and guard they fight alongside may be exaggerated, they're still prone to using techniques that make most members of the Imperium very uneasy. The fact that they have no 'brothers in arms' makes it easier for me to accept the interpretation of them presented in their codex. Of course this doesn't excuse the horrendous method in which it was presented, it does help me come around to seeing them as a force outside the normal structure of the Imperium, and possibly on the verge of damnation if their methods were to ever fail.

**fidel**

I am not sure if anyone has posted this - but this blog I think nailed down some pretty interesting story arc fluffs coming into 6th edition

http://theshellcase.co.uk/tag/the-emperor/

and for those that don't like links:

It has, however, given me time to reflect on the prominence of the Dark Angels in the new edition and the slight shuffling on of the canon from the previous version.

So, based on certain rumours, the Tau are now under the protection of the Space Marines. Or at least the Ultramarines and their successors which rather suggests that the Emperor knew that there would come a time when Chaos would return to the galaxy in a level of force akin to the Heresy. It also makes me think that he was aware of and/or had a hand in the genetic manipulation of the Tau alongside the Eldar. Which if nothing else makes you realise where Alpharius and Omegon get their pragmatism from…

More over I’ve been thinking about the Dark Angels. It’s quite telling that we’re on the cusp of the 42 Millennium, the Golden Throne is failing, and the fate of the Imperium hangs in the balance and there is a sudden emphasis being placed on the 1st Legion. The Dark Angels have always been a mysterious bunch and all the evidence suggests it is because of the betrayal of half the Legion during the Heresy. And although they bear those scars with great shame, the true cause of their secrecy is the realisation that came with capturing Luther and his eventual confession. The great secret that the Dark Angels keep is, whereas the Space Wolves are the Emperor’s executioners, the Dark Angels are or will be the executioners of the Emperor.

From broken lips Luther told his captures that the Emperor was a true immortal, a being destined to be reborn for all eternity and by keeping him trapped within a shattered physical form humanity was preventing his rebirth and with it their very salvation. This secret was the Dark Angels’ alone to bear and with their stoicism they would see it done.

Cypher’s quest to kill the Emperor is a well established part of the background, his motivations supposedly sinister. And wherever the lost son of The Lion makes planet fall the Dark Angels descend to allegedly bring him to justice. It’s no surprise to see Divination as one of the Dark Angel psyker traits for 6th edition. In the resulting engagement Cypher makes his escape and with each new appearance he gets closer and closer to Terra. The assumption is that the Dark Angels are trying to stop Cypher but I propose that they are trying to help him by covering his tracks and sowing misdirection as on the surface the Dark Angels appear to be doing little more than thwarting heretics. But think about it, Cypher is from a time when the Emperor was not a God – a truth all Space Marines hold – and so often times Cypher is doing little more than opening the eyes of those he comes into contact with. The Imperial Creed demands action is taken. The Dark Angels prosecute the campaign as far as they need to then withdraw. His escape is assisted by the fundamental and intentional conflict within the chapter structure. Battle brothers don’t know the true extent of the Dark Angels’ role in things to come, whereas company captains are initiated into the Deathwing and so, to a point, do. They accept the grim task ahead of them with the redoubtable determination we’ve come to expect from the First Legion. As a result the Dark Angels hamper their own efforts to capture Cypher and further turn the wheels of destiny towards the inevitable death of the Emperor.

This isn’t to say that the Dark Angels are heretics or traitors. Far from it. Arguably only the Dark Angels and the Space Wolves see things for that they really are and the grim roles they must play. The Dark Angels know that the Wolves will be set upon them once their work is done. And probably deepens the resentment that runs between the two Chapters. Especially as the Wolves know they were powerless to change anything as for the Dark Angels to succeed they must fail in their most basic duty. To keep the Emperor safe. The Dark Angels understand that by allowing the Emperor’s shattered mortal form to die he can be reborn and will signal for the Primarchs to return and herald a new age of reclamation. Although I suspect that it’ll be The Lion himself that ends his father’s life as he was always destined to carry a terrible burden. Indeed there’s every likelihood that he saw this possible future which is why the weight of the Legion was so heavy on his shoulders. Combined with my note about the Tau ostensibly being anti-Chaos weapons it all seems to point quite strongly that humanity is on the brink of either destruction or redemption but it’ll come at a terrible price and its survival may come at the cost of the Imperium itself.

So essentially I like it because its an evolution of the fluff. The Space Marines are becoming more independent as rulers again - and now have their own agendas. I like the union between Tau and Space Marine - because when it comes down to it - Space Marines (some of them cough cough Black Templars) hate one thing more then aliens - the Warp. So allying with something that cannot be possessed - or at least attempting to harness that power to finally kill the warp - is an interesting plot twist. I also like it that this pulls into a direct controversy with the Ecclisiarchal edicts of hating aliens - so it puts more of a strain on the normal "mortal" imperial citizen and the super-human Space Marine. Essentially what has happened is that GW, maybe, has stepped up its game and is now saying "Hey guys, remember all those heroes and black and white we made things in the past - well we gonna Game of Thrones it up for you and **** it up, so now everything is morally grey." Hell I would love to see them kill off some characters we know just to set the mood - Marnaus could die with Uriel Centris now taking the lead, for Space Wolfs Grimnar can now die (or become a dreadnaught) with that other guy taking his palace... I forgot his name but he had a whole buncha books RARGH!... The emporer could be on his last leg of life, with the Dark Angels pushing their hidden agenda more and more - hell, I would love to see an Imperial Primarch even in the lore now a bit! Sometimes change is bad, but I am kinda liking this new twist...

**CaptainLoken**

That a cool idea, but I really want to know what is in the actual book.

Could anyone with an actual book tell us...

ARE SPACE MARINES NOW PROTECTING THE TAU?

**sniperjolly**

Am I the only one who REALLY LOVES the new Tau fluff?

Bear with me here. One of the biggest grievances I have had with the Tau is how hilariously insignificant they are/were on any scale at all. There are a dozens, if not hundreds of minor xenos races that are a bigger threat to the Imperium than the Tau. Sure, they tried to make them seem more important in later editions, but it just keeps on falling flat when you remember that the "Damocles Gulf Crusade" was 2-3 cruisers and a handful of escorts. It was an existential threat to the Tau Empire like they have never faced, and while they put up suprising resistance, the fact that that was considered enough to wipe them out by the Munitorium, was actually a somewhat fair estimation and were deemed to warrant their own book while being weaker as a species than a single chapter of marines continued to gall me. What was this tiny speck on the face of the galaxy doing in the huge epic of 40k? Do you know who won the 13th Black Crusade? The Tau. Technically. The Tau HAD to be in that campaign because they were a major army, even though a crushing victory for them would mean diddly squat on the galactic scale because they are a "Major Army", a concept that is frankly ridiculous.

Now? Now they have a reason for existing. They are actually relevant on the galactic stage, and there is a solid reason why they were not utterly obliterated by their beefy neighbors millenia ago that doesn't boil down to "Deus Ex Machina". This opens so many doors for the army and the race. The horizons are wide open, and I am nigh giddy with excitement to read that section of the 6th ed book. My prayers it doesn't disappoint.

**1hadhq**

CaptainLoken wrote:That a cool idea, but I really want to know what is in the actual book.

Could anyone with an actual book tell us...

THIS ^^

To know if someone likes the new fluff or spots an "improvement" is nice, to see the actual course of the background in sixth ed would be nicer. So please, who got access could spent a small bit of his/her time to look up the part beyond the rules section.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Aye, first place I'll be going, will be to have a good nose through the background section.

I have a feeling I'll end up disappointed, but I would really like to see some actual advancement this time.

Someone at GW needs to realise, going past the 40th millenium doesn't require a name change of the product.

**Ravenblade666**

All this info about the new fluff, makes me want to go out and buy the 6ed rule book just for that reason, damn you all!

plus the rules would be a bonus

**nomotog**

sniperjolly wrote:Am I the only one who REALLY LOVES the new Tau fluff?

Bear with me here. One of the biggest grievances I have had with the Tau is how hilariously insignificant they are/were on any scale at all. There are a dozens, if not hundreds of minor xenos races that are a bigger threat to the Imperium than the Tau. Sure, they tried to make them seem more important in later editions, but it just keeps on falling flat when you remember that the "Damocles Gulf Crusade" was 2-3 cruisers and a handful of escorts. It was an existential threat to the Tau Empire like they have never faced, and while they put up suprising resistance, the fact that that was considered enough to wipe them out by the Munitorium, was actually a somewhat fair estimation and were deemed to warrant their own book while being weaker as a species than a single chapter of marines continued to gall me. What was this tiny speck on the face of the galaxy doing in the huge epic of 40k? Do you know who won the 13th Black Crusade? The Tau. Technically. The Tau HAD to be in that campaign because they were a major army, even though a crushing victory for them would mean diddly squat on the galactic scale because they are a "Major Army", a concept that is frankly ridiculous.

Now? Now they have a reason for existing. They are actually relevant on the galactic stage, and there is a solid reason why they were not utterly obliterated by their beefy neighbors millenia ago that doesn't boil down to "Deus Ex Machina". This opens so many doors for the army and the race. The horizons are wide open, and I am nigh giddy with excitement to read that section of the 6th ed book. My prayers it doesn't disappoint.

They don't have any larger of a role now then before. Assuming this rumor is true and that it makes sense from a fluff sense. (You know time line and all.) All it really says is oh look tau are the ray of hope. They already where that. The difference now is they have to share that ray of hope with the SM. If you want to make the tau more relevant, you can do better then this.

**English Assassin**

Ravenblade666 wrote:....plus the rules would be a bonus

Not is the rumours and previews are anything to go by, they won't.

**Ravenblade666**

English Assassin wrote:
Ravenblade666 wrote:....plus the rules would be a bonus

Not is the rumours and previews are anything to go by, they won't.

Haven't paid much attention to them tbh I probably should do but I rarely play 40K these days, more warmahordes now.

**jareddm**

sniperjolly wrote:Am I the only one who REALLY LOVES the new Tau fluff?

Bear with me here. One of the biggest grievances I have had with the Tau is how hilariously insignificant they are/were on any scale at all. There are a dozens, if not hundreds of minor xenos races that are a bigger threat to the Imperium than the Tau. Sure, they tried to make them seem more important in later editions, but it just keeps on falling flat when you remember that the "Damocles Gulf Crusade" was 2-3 cruisers and a handful of escorts. It was an existential threat to the Tau Empire like they have never faced, and while they put up suprising resistance, the fact that that was considered enough to wipe them out by the Munitorium, was actually a somewhat fair estimation and were deemed to warrant their own book while being weaker as a species than a single chapter of marines continued to gall me. What was this tiny speck on the face of the galaxy doing in the huge epic of 40k? Do you know who won the 13th Black Crusade? The Tau. Technically. The Tau HAD to be in that campaign because they were a major army, even though a crushing victory for them would mean diddly squat on the galactic scale because they are a "Major Army", a concept that is frankly ridiculous.

Now? Now they have a reason for existing. They are actually relevant on the galactic stage, and there is a solid reason why they were not utterly obliterated by their beefy neighbors millenia ago that doesn't boil down to "Deus Ex Machina". This opens so many doors for the army and the race. The horizons are wide open, and I am nigh giddy with excitement to read that section of the 6th ed book. My prayers it doesn't disappoint.

The strength of the Tau was always in their potential. Sure, if the Imperium wanted to, they could send a huge crusade fleet and wipe out the entire Tau Empire simply through overwhelming numbers. But they won't. There's too many other threats, too many greater, more pressing foes to deal with, and so the destruction of the Tau gets pushed back. But for how long? 100 years? 500? 1,000? The Tau have shown themselves to be the most open to new concepts and technology, as well as having the drive to put them into action. It took them relatively no time at all to develop an effective counter to imperial titans. What else could they develop given the time? A shield that can mask a planet's life signs from the tyranid? How many other minor xenos allies could they aquire? The point is that all the Tau needed was time, and if they could get it, they'd have been a force to be reckoned with.

Sorry, just a bit of a rant on how the Tau didn't need a protector, they had the rest of the galaxy making a distraction for them.

**Asherian Command**

quoting someone here

There’s also rumours of a supplement that, basically, is the early years of the 42nd millennium. The Emperor is dead, and his body is in the hands of the Ultramarines. The Imperiuam has been torn asunder and is now a group smaller empires controlled by the Astartes who are at war with one another. Needless to say the Ultramarines and their successors control the biggest chunk of space. Terra is in the hand of the Imperial Fists and believe the Emperor’s body needs to be laid to rest so he may be reborn. The rumours prattle on at length but the point is that the supplement, if it ever comes to light, would take 40k from 5 to midnight to about quarter past. The commercial sense is clear as the majority of players have Space Marine armies and therefore a high percentage of games are Marine vs Marine and it’s just a ‘training exercise’. This would allow players to legitimately play one another.

Anyway, I wonder how the Heresy supplement will tie in to the books. I’d like to think there’ll be rules for Primarchs and, therefore, models. But more importantly a balance needs to be found between what the Astartes were and what they become, especially in respect of the traitor legions. I’m a little apprehensive if I’m honest as the Horus Heresy novels are doing a fine job of fleshing out the events. An IA book, if allowed to, could run roughshod over everything Dan Abneet, Graham McNeill and the others have cultivated.

The talk of the Horus Heresy supplement got me thinking about, once more, the fluff. Specifically about the Space Wolves as I think they’re probably one of the hardest Legions to capture in game and more so for Warhammer 30,000 (as it’ll inevitably be dubbed) – the chapter of the 41st millennium being fairly different from their Heresy incarnation. More than that I started thinking about the Space Wolves and their relationship with the Emperor.

We know that the Space Wolves were the Emperor’s executioners. His attack dogs. It’s also fair to assume that the other Legions were aware of the the secondary role the Space Wolves had beyond prosecuting the Emperor’s Great Crusade. But the question I’m throwing out there is what was the extent that the Primarchs and the other Legions aware? Did they believe that the Space Wolves were given the task because they were eager to please savages or because they knew the strength that the Space Wolves possess.

Those that had read the Horus Heresy novels will know that the Wolves were unleashed on three separate occasions. Once against each of the lost legions, the third time against the Thousand Sons obviously to great effect. The thing that has always made the Space Wolves more dangerous than the World Eaters was their self control. Their savagery in combat was always tempered by strategy and an awareness of the violence they unleash. It’s almost a grudging acceptance of their savagery. They see a problem and their mind immediately leaps to the most expedient way of dealing with it. Such as throwing a space station at planet. It’s brutal, mind bendingly violent but the undertone of logic is what makes them so terrifying. Whereas the World Eaters would and did descend into mindless slaughter. The World Eaters were content to wreak havoc for havocs sake. To butcher all before them because they liked it.

The Space Wolves were designed to be able to take on any of their brother legions. They’re psychically resistant, their ferocity and lupine heritage makes them difficult to scare and even hard to put down. Their tactics are uncompromising and unpredictable and their savagery tempered by reason and cold logic. It is a terrifying cocktail of traits. And makes me ask the question; to what extent was Leman Russ truly a brother to the other Primarchs?

All the other Primarchs possess obvious facets of the Emperor’s personality. Some even share traits. Roboute Guilliman, it is said, was almost a straight up clone. I’ve always thought that Leman Russ possessed the animal, bestial nature of the Emperor that lurks within all of us. But the more I’ve thought about it the less I’m sure. Considering the task that the Emperor had in mind when he created Leman Russ and the Space Wolves it would make far more sense for Leman Russ to not share the same familial bonds to make his task that much easier. His loyalty had to be, first and foremost to the Emperor.

It tracks as the Legion/Chapter is fiercely loyal to themselves and the Emperor. They had disdain for the bureaucracy of the Imperium as a whole and although close to his brothers Leman Russ never shared the kind of bonds of kinship that, for example, Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus shared. Granted that didn’t end well…

It makes me wonder what the Emperor had in mind for the Space Wolves after the Great Crusade. Or all the Legions for that matter. It makes me suspect that the Emperor intended for the Space Wolves to be a galactic patrol force. A force brutal enough that it would quell insurrection and keep the other Legions in line.

However the far more likely thought is that the Emperor created the Space Wolves because he always suspected something could go wrong, whatever that may be. The Space Wolves were an insurance policy, for want of a better term. But it all comes back to that decisive moment when the Primarchs were scattered denying the Emperor the chance to nurture the Primarchs into what he needed them to be. But I suspect that Leman Russ was created exactly as he was intended to be. He was the Emperor’s greatest creation and most devastating weapon.

It occurs to me of all the loyalist Legions the Space Wolves would have been most feared by the traitors. As not only were they the most capable to bring the fight to the traitors but they already had experience of doing just that. They would have also been fired by a righteous indignation that the Emperor was defied, rather than the hurt of a brothers betrayed.

The funny thing is that the Primarchs spend an awful lot of time not trusting the Space Wolves because of their tribal nature, unkempt appearance and savagery in combat, but of all of the Emperor’s creations they were the only ones that ever acted with wholeheartedly the Imperium’s best interests in mind, the Emperor’s fullest support and his unwavering approval. For all the power games, manipulations and rivalries that went on amongst the other Primarchs, Leman Russ was the most trusted and equally the most loyal of all the Emperor’s sons. This despite Leman Russ never seeking it out or even acknowledging it. If anything I rather feel that Leman Russ, incorrectly, believed the Emperor tolerated him in the same way a father tolerates a dog bought to keep the children safe. A necessity rather than something to be loved.

I suspect the opposite to be true. He loved Leman Russ precisely because he was the immovable rock beneath his feet. He knew that Russ would do what he could not – to protect his children and his subjects, even from themselves, no matter the cost.

SOMEONE TELL ME THIS IS TRUE
IF SO BLARG! THIS IS AWESOME!
That means the brotherhood of the Ghoul Stars an Empire XD

**Manchu**

"Horus Heresy Supplement"? What the --

Don't hold your breath.

**Asherian Command**

Manchu wrote:"Horus Heresy Supplement"? What the --

Don't hold your breath.

*dies*

**Manchu**

I said don't hold your breath!

**Kaldor**

Asherian Command wrote:There’s also rumours of a supplement that, basically, is the early years of the 42nd millennium. The Emperor is dead, and his body is in the hands of the Ultramarines. The Imperiuam has been torn asunder and is now a group smaller empires controlled by the Astartes who are at war with one another. Needless to say the Ultramarines and their successors control the biggest chunk of space. Terra is in the hand of the Imperial Fists and believe the Emperor’s body needs to be laid to rest so he may be reborn. The rumours prattle on at length but the point is that the supplement, if it ever comes to light, would take 40k from 5 to midnight to about quarter past. The commercial sense is clear as the majority of players have Space Marine armies and therefore a high percentage of games are Marine vs Marine and it’s just a ‘training exercise’. This would allow players to legitimately play one another.

That would suck so hard, it could suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

**Asherian Command**

I'm sorry but if any of these rumors are true means my lore will be even more awesome and would have a deep impact on my lore. (Considering that one of my chapters is a Dark Angel Successor Chapter)

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Kaldor wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:There’s also rumours of a supplement that, basically, is the early years of the 42nd millennium. The Emperor is dead, and his body is in the hands of the Ultramarines. The Imperiuam has been torn asunder and is now a group smaller empires controlled by the Astartes who are at war with one another. Needless to say the Ultramarines and their successors control the biggest chunk of space. Terra is in the hand of the Imperial Fists and believe the Emperor’s body needs to be laid to rest so he may be reborn. The rumours prattle on at length but the point is that the supplement, if it ever comes to light, would take 40k from 5 to midnight to about quarter past. The commercial sense is clear as the majority of players have Space Marine armies and therefore a high percentage of games are Marine vs Marine and it’s just a ‘training exercise’. This would allow players to legitimately play one another.

That would suck so hard, it could suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

Actually that would be awesome in my opinion. I really don't see how that is in anyway bad. THAT MOVES the story.
I've been waiting for something like to happen plus that is probably the only realistic thing in 40k then

**Manchu**

Was it already posted in this thread that 40k is setting, not narrative? Those are wise words.

**Asherian Command**

Manchu wrote:Was it already posted in this thread that 40k is setting, not narrative? Those are wise words.

Yeah but i like narratives as well

. Gives you more of a purpose to fight battles.
I especially want to a supplement for 42k

**Manchu**

Battles need localized narrative not grand scale "what's going on with the whole galaxy" type narrative. The galaxy's a big place. You can tell you're little story in some corner of it. I thought that's what you were doing with the Ghoul Stars already. And let's face it: GW could not move the narrative forward without doing at least one thing to completely piss off each of every faction of fans out there.

**eldartau1987**

"Boba Fet"

Stopped ready here. Boba Fett.

**Kaldor**

Asherian Command wrote:
Kaldor wrote:That would suck so hard, it could suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

Actually that would be awesome in my opinion. I really don't see how that is in anyway bad. THAT MOVES the story.
I've been waiting for something like to happen plus that is probably the only realistic thing in 40k then

There is no story.

This bears repeating.

THERE IS NO STORY.

40K has a setting, and this galaxy spanning setting covers 40,000 years of human history and allows us, as the players, to create our own stories to populate that setting. We can each imagine our own stories, and each imagine the battles we are fighting will affect the greater setting somehow.

Advancing that setting would suck so, so hard.

**Asherian Command**

Kaldor wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
Kaldor wrote:That would suck so hard, it could suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

Actually that would be awesome in my opinion. I really don't see how that is in anyway bad. THAT MOVES the story.
I've been waiting for something like to happen plus that is probably the only realistic thing in 40k then

There is no story.

This bears repeating.

THERE IS NO STORY.

40K has a setting, and this galaxy spanning setting covers 40,000 years of human history and allows us, as the players, to create our own stories to populate that setting. We can each imagine our own stories, and each imagine the battles we are fighting will affect the greater setting somehow.

Advancing that setting would suck so, so hard.

yes but some people want a new setting!