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Amen OP, amen. A couple months ago I started a SM army. Then rumors of 6th came out...got me a little bit excited. Then word of the flyers and allies came, and I said no thanks. 6th edition is so obviously a money grab it is sickening. I didnt like 5th at all, and have no interest at all in 6th.

Im going to use my SM army (and my wife her daemons) with the SHockforce/Warengine rule system. We are also getting started in Warmahordes.

I will still pick up some GW minis now and then to expand the SM and deamons, and continue to build my classic Warriors of Chaos collection, but the majority of my hobby spending will be on PP products.

It seems to me that the "Allies" table is not a FLUFF table, but a GAME BALANCE table. Which, even under that magnifying glass...still seems fairly preposterous.

From a fluff standpoint, I feel that my group is going to toss that table right out the window. I know someone who was desperately looking forward to being able to finally mobilize a true Genestealer Cult army by taking an IG force with 'nid Allies. So sorry.

ANYWAYS.

I guess my point, here, is this: Take the rules you want, ignore the rest, modify them, play with them. You are not a slave to this Weighty Tome (tm), you are a human being with free will. Go have fun!

--B.


PS: Squats are officially back in the Fluff. Seriously. Right there. "Squats".

So they let Cruddace copypasta some more fluff.

Guess they have to let him do something so he can say "I helped!".

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PS: Squats are officially back in the Fluff. Seriously. Right there. "Squats".

Squats are mentioned in the Ork codex (although not by that name), and also hinted at in Tyranid codex. So it's not such a shock...

So, if all of this is true (and there is no real change in the background) then we can safely assume that the options in the allies table are just for game balance/to help sales.

Well, when GW discontinued the Allies, people were complaining how it was a money grab, forcing people to buy and build whole armies to play. I guess there is very little GW can do without it being a cynic money grab.

Well I never thought GW literature would mention squats again. ...and that's about the only significant fluff change outside of what you can draw from the allies matrix.

I could accept it if Tau and Marines were Desperate Allies, or even Allies of Convenience. But Battle Brothers? In what universe would Tau and Marines get along better than Black Templars and Battle Sisters?

DOOMBREAD wrote:I could accept it if Tau and Marines were Desperate Allies, or even Allies of Convenience. But Battle Brothers? In what universe would Tau and Marines get along better than Black Templars and Battle Sisters?

The fluff part of the rulebook even contradicts this. There's multiple passages about Marines and Tau fighting (as recent as 999.M41) and multiple passages about SoB and Marines fighting together.

I suspect the allied matrix was made by someone with very little insight into 40k universe, or they simply didn't care. I'm not really viewing the matrix as canon anymore, since there's no fluff or canon to back it up and many fluff contradictions to it.

I'd say the reason that the Tau get access to Space Marines is for Psychic Powers, but Orks and Necrons get no Battle Brothers that can give them Psychic buffs, so, idk.

Oh well, maybe i'll try a Vanilla Marine/Tau list with my fathers old Tau, and enjoy some Markerlight Goodness?

Harriticus wrote:I'm not really viewing the matrix as canon anymore, since there's no fluff or canon to back it up and many fluff contradictions to it.

The good thing about any kind of game that comes with a ruleset written on paper is that it's easy to change.
I'm sure that a large number of players will be open to discuss alternative alliance conditions for the various armies, now that the "allies" cat is out of the bag for so many other combinations. Surely it wouldn't really "break" a game balancewise if one were to change them, given what's possible already.