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like I said before...two sides of a coin in this. The impression though from some posters is that all law enforcements are bad. Whats the total number of law enforcement officers that are doing the right thing compare to those that are not doing the right thing. I'm suprise though the videos from the OWS thread hasn't made an appearence yet on this.

Jihadin wrote:like I said before...two sides of a coin in this. The impression though from some posters is that all law enforcements are bad. Whats the total number of law enforcement officers that are doing the right thing compare to those that are not doing the right thing. I'm suprise though the videos from the OWS thread hasn't made an appearence yet on this.

Thank you for NOT putting words in to my posts and addressing what I said.


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Mannahnin wrote:
You seem to agree with this, so I don't know why on earth you're abusing other people here in the thread for saying so.

I am abusing people? I have been called names and even had a guy tell me he could get me fired at anytime and I am the abuser. Ya know, it makes me wonder if you have even read the thread. Please show me where I have abused anyone and by all means get me banned.

Jihadin wrote:like I said before...two sides of a coin in this. The impression though from some posters is that all law enforcements are bad.

I'm aware that templarboy wants to read that in the posts so that he can have something to be offended about.

He's wrong, and it doesn't exactly make him look mature in the process.

The "Blue Shield" effect does not make people respect cops.

I think the whole blue shield thing makes people distrustful of police officers because if they do abuse their power there is a chance they can get away with it...

templarboy wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:You seem to agree with this, so I don't know why on earth you're abusing other people here in the thread for saying so.

I am abusing people?

When you say that people need to get a job and get some reality, and when you dismiss everyone who has a different opinion than you as being divorced from the real world ("ivory tower intellectualism"), yeah, you kind of are.

Folks are recounting their personal experiences, and citing widespread cases from the news. We respect that you live the life of a good and honest police officer, and that it's a hard job. We respect our friends who are police, and the good and helpful cops we meet in our day to day lives. We would appreciate you giving us the same respect of believing that our opinions are based on our personal experiences and on information we have from officers who are our personal friends, and from news stories that we read with a critical eye.

You don't get to say you're the only one in the thread who has an informed opinion. Not if you want a respectful and friendly dialogue. When you dismiss everyone else as ignorant and credulous, you come off as disrespectful and contemptuous, which is kind of absurd when pretty much everyone in the thread seems to be 90% in agreement with you.

templarboy wrote:I have been called names and even had a guy tell me he could get me fired at anytime and I am the abuser.

Two wrongs don't make a right. If you insult people, are you shocked if they react negatively? The discussion was pretty friendly until you waded in swinging with that "get a job and get some reality" stuff like you were trying to start a fight. You picked a fight, other people (particularly Melissia) obliged you, and I gave a public warning to you all to knock it off.

templarboy wrote: Ya know, it makes me wonder if you have even read the thread.

Did you? How about the part where dogma clarified that he would only try to get you fired if you were doing crap like kicking helpless people in the head?

templarboy wrote: Please show me where I have abused anyone and by all means get me banned.

If you needed to be suspended, I could suspend you, but honestly I don't think you've done anything yet bad enough to require it. And I prefer not to do it with someone whom I've having a disagreement with anyway. If I'm having a disagreement with someone on the forum and I think they're in violation of the rules, usually I'll report it like a regular user and let another moderator handle it, as they can be more impartial. I think you're a good guy who is not realizing that people in this thread support you and appreciate that you're a good and honest cop, but we have legitimate concerns about the prevalence of police abuse of authority, and the severity of its consequences. When you dismiss everyone else's concerns and experiences as unfounded and ignorant and not based on reality, you start prompting people to wonder why we should respect your opinions.

templarboy wrote:In 14 years as a cop, I have never been sued. I am an anomaly.

No police officer has ever been sued for actions taken in the line of duty. They may have been held on criminal charges, but that's not the same thing. I suspect most police officers have never been held on criminal charges.

Templerboy said
What makes me really mad is the trash talk from "kids" who have no idea what they are talking about. Some of you need to get a job and get some reality. Try being a cop in your community. The job is way tougher than most of you can handle. Again, I think the cop that kicked that chick was a punk. He ain't me. He ain't my pals. We hate guys like that. I ride a 2011 Harley everyday and give tons of speeding tickets. It's a good job and I think I have made a difference.

You all have to admit that are some kids who post on this. Or some individuals that were quick to jump all over it and not actually read what he wrote.. The other example will be the "Female in the infantry" thread about me mentioning the effect a wounded/killed female having an effect on males. Want to know how many times I wanted to post "your combat experience consist of what?"

This comment got the ball rolling into the negative on this thread.

I was liking your post until I read the "go get a jerb!" nonsense...

If you want to claim others have no clue what's going on with police, I'd say you need to shut your face about trying to find a job, because you don't have any recent experience on that apparently...

After that comment the police brutality additional comments would seem as a personnel attack on him from my view point by a couple posters.

For those not in law enforcement the closest thing that can relate to his experience is a combat vet. For those that are not a combat vet the closest thing you can experience what some of us felt is "Hurt Locker".

Jihadin, if I walk into a thread about (for example) international travel, where people are having a peaceable conversation and say "some of you need to go to another country and get some reality", that's inflammatory. I may well (and do) know a lot more about international travel than a lot of people, but that's not cause to be a dismissive jackass about it.

jihadin wrote:This comment got the ball rolling into the negative on this thread.

Melissia made quite clear that she agreed with him and liked his post until she got to the part where templarboy started being a dick. Then she was a dick back to him, which was out of line, and part of why I warned them both and the thread in general.

Just pointing it out Mannheim since you did on the spot correction on him.

When? Just tonight? Originally I warned everyone, because even though I judged that he had started it, I thought other people reacted excessively and were out of line too.

The first warning was a general warning to everyone. Then the post of "two wrongs don't make a right" caught my attention. I was just saying how it escalated to this point.

I still love you Mannheim but not in a manly love way

Love? I KEEL you!

I was just trying to reconcile templarboy with everyone else and explain that I'm not sure why there's a conflict here. Then he disagreed that he had done anything wrong, and asked me to explain whether/when he had.

In the judgment of this moderator, Melissia was out of line, and dogma could have been a bit friendlier, but both were provoked by tb's original inflammatory comment and dismissive attitude toward everyone else's perspectives and experiences. Now, if he's a cop of 14 years' experience, tb has legitimate grounds to say he knows more about the subject than most of us. But having a lot of knowledge about a topic doesn't mean no one else knows anything, and doesn't mean you need to be rude about it.

Aren't we off topic now? I thought we were talking about police brutality and the fact that they almost always get away with it.

Whistleblowing amongst cops is at an even lower rate than any other industry I can think of.

Melissa wrote:Aren't we off topic now? I thought we were talking about police brutality and the fact that they almost always get away with it.

Whistleblowing amongst cops is at an even lower rate than any other industry I can think of.

That's one place where I think you go off the rails a bit, Melissa. The nature of both those claims is that they're unprovable; so tb has legit grounds to feel you're slandering his profession and making statements you really can't back up.

Can you produce numbers comparing the rate of whistleblowing in different industries/professions?

A quick google search doesn't come up with a scholarly study-- I'll look deeper later. Although I do see evidence of police chiefs publicly intimidating whistleblowers, such as here:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/whistleblowers-in-fear-of-witchhunts/story-e6freoof-1226273270614

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Pacific wrote:There was a report that he was wheeling towards the riot policeman in a menacing manner.. (seriously!)

I'm sure he must have attempted to run them over!

They see me rollin', they hatin'...

http://www.policemisconduct.net/2010-q2-npmsrp-national-police-misconduct-statistical-report/

2010 report gives a good idea the ratio of misconduct in law enforcement across the US (does not include Tribal Police)

I was actually kind of expecting more in south Texas. I'm pleasantly surprised.

Of course, the cynic in me says they could have just been unreported.

templarboy wrote: Also to the poster above that is thinking about carrying a gun to defend himself from the evil corrupt police-think twice. They are wearing ballistic vests. You aren't. They practice. A Lot. They have advanced training. You don't.

Selective reading overdrive! I said someone would be justified in doing so. Not that he'd come out of it healthy. In fact I specifically said it wouldn't be a healthy choice. Here ;

(although I think everyone can sees why that wouldn't have turned to your advantage).

But it'd be justified. Why? Because if you can be justified in killing one or more person in order to save those they endanger, then you can be justified in killing one or more cops in order to save those they endanger. The fact that the odds aren't in the favour of the citizen defending themselves aren't really the issue when it's a recourse against gangbanging murderer cops, because the alternative of not doing anything and not defending yourself is of course worse.

I don't think the RCMP are a bunch of push-overs that would take kindly to you "defending" yourself from them with a gun. Try being cooperative first. Let it all work it's way out in Court. I would never recommend resisting even what you think is an unlawful arrest. It will go badly. You might win the lawsuit but that broken jaw might take a bit of time to heal. Not saying it's right. Just saying that that is the way of the world.

Court doesn't help the dead hobo. This is what we've been talking about, not the way I would resist arrest, because I simply do not put myself in situations where I might get arrested. Plus I'm less worried about the fine folks of the RCMP then I am about city cops and reserve cops. Everyone who watched Due South knows Mounties aren't even human, but genetically engineered mystics who can decipher the intent of criminals by sniffing their excrements, sworn to protect the Great White North.

templarboy wrote:I know I said I was done with this argument but I couldn't help sharing this little tidbit. I did a "google" search on "police heroism" and got 4 million hits. I did a "google" search on "police corruption" and got 46 million hits. Like I said "If it bleeds, it leads". The press like sexy stories. Police corruption stories are interesting to most people. Much more interesting than the heroism that happens far more frequently. Try going on a citizen "ride along" with a friendly neighborhood patrolman. You might see something neat.

Also to the poster above that is thinking about carrying a gun to defend himself from the evil corrupt police-think twice. They are wearing ballistic vests. You aren't. They practice. A Lot. They have advanced training. You don't. I don't think the RCMP are a bunch of push-overs that would take kindly to you "defending" yourself from them with a gun. Try being cooperative first. Let it all work it's way out in Court. I would never recommend resisting even what you think is an unlawful arrest. It will go badly. You might win the lawsuit but that broken jaw might take a bit of time to heal. Not saying it's right. Just saying that that is the way of the world.

Actually most aren't that practiced but you're right. The best way to deal with "Da Evil Manz" is through the legal system. There are bad cops, good cops, like everyone else. thinking they are all corrupt and evil and you're going to play cop killer on the dvd whilst you go down in a blaze of glory is...misplaced.

Thats a real slippery slope in killing a law enforcement officer in self defense. State of Indiana has a law allowing "Stand your Ground" type incident if the individual think law enforcement is in his house illegaly. Before anyone think about engaging an officer with fire arms then they need to be aware of "escalation of force" and basically the use of "deadly force" before pulling the trigger. Once the trigger is pulled its a whole new ball game then. Because law enforcement is now dealing with a "cop killer"

Frazzled wrote:Actually most aren't that practiced but you're right. The best way to deal with "Da Evil Manz" is through the legal system. There are bad cops, good cops, like everyone else. thinking they are all corrupt and evil and you're going to play cop killer on the dvd whilst you go down in a blaze of glory is...misplaced.

Just to be clear ; this isn't what I've suggested at any point.

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feeder wrote:

Frazzled wrote:She tried to kick him first. He's in a tactically superior position and she's a dumbass. He's just helping Darwin along. Not seeing what the problem is.

Unfortunately fro that cop, we live in a society of laws, and cannot go around kicking whomever deserves it if we get caught on camera.. If that was the case, then I could get nothing else done all day and would have a crippling head-kicking related RSI.

Corrected your typo.

Everyone's glossing over this stealth wienerdog thing. Its like the news reports of the zombies. A few reports - meh wierd news, then all of the sudden you're fighting off zombies with a bottle of TUMs and a roll of toilet paper, all the while your ankles are being gnawed on by a pair of wiener dogs. You don't want to be fighting off the zombies with a bottle of TUMs do you?

In other news, we are hopeful that the pseudo seizure thing the Mighty TBone had Wendesday is nonrecurring and related to his alleregy like fit. He's not done it again, and except for very quickly climbing into my lap during a short bought of thunder whilst I was watching Predators has been completely normal since (read complete and utter donkey-cave of the universe).

I am prepared for your weiner dog onslaught fraz with my specialy trained dog hunting ninja cats. and my stash of meat to distract them with. And if all else fails my freinds sisters justin beiber CDs.

Getting back on-topic i have to say that the police do get away with a lot but then again so do private security companies. Its the way of the world-unless there caught on camera then theres no chance of justice and even then its incredibly slim.