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For soldiers we're under supervision at all times. We would never leave a lone soldier with a EPW. We do have frequent classes on Land of War laws and also we have our ROE. We also are also trained to look for the ones that are looking a bit frazz out due to combat stress and yes there are "clinics" we can go to. For the record Iim not a violent person

Jihadin wrote:We also are also trained to look for the ones that are looking a bit frazz out due to combat stress and yes there are "clinics" we can go to.

Its like someone called my name. We interrupt this program for a special announcement. Team Wienie has finally perfected wiener dog fire support for Dachshundskrieg.

Dammit Frazz..my coffee went out my nose

That's too adorable for words, Frazz.

I read or listen to this gak everyday of my life if the criminal causes trouble officers should be able to beat the living gak out of them. My family are in the police and the amount of problems we get are huge, Police officers risk their lives to keep us safe and all the press or government do is gak all over them.

black templar wrote:I read or listen to this gak everyday of my life if the criminal causes trouble officers should be able to beat the living gak out of them.

"Causes trouble" is a pretty broad brush.

Your family no doubt thinks that they should be able to beat the gak out of everyone as well, which is no doubt why so many law abiding citizens fething hate the police.

black templar wrote:I read or listen to this gak everyday of my life if the criminal causes trouble officers should be able to beat the living gak out of them. My family are in the police and the amount of problems we get are huge, Police officers risk their lives to keep us safe and all the press or government do is gak all over them.

If a criminal "causes trouble?" Thats a little, er extreme isn't it?
Ok so we have one vote for the Stazi. Anyone else?

mattyrm wrote:

black templar wrote:I read or listen to this gak everyday of my life if the criminal causes trouble officers should be able to beat the living gak out of them.

"Causes trouble" is a pretty broad brush.

Your family no doubt thinks that they should be able to beat the gak out of everyone as well, which is no doubt why so many law abiding citizens fething hate the police.

We don't believe in beating the gak out of everybody but have you seen half of the scum the police have to deal with? I don't see why there is a hatred for police officers if there was no police force everywhere would be a flaming ruin.

black templar wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

black templar wrote:I read or listen to this gak everyday of my life if the criminal causes trouble officers should be able to beat the living gak out of them.

"Causes trouble" is a pretty broad brush.

Your family no doubt thinks that they should be able to beat the gak out of everyone as well, which is no doubt why so many law abiding citizens fething hate the police.

We don't believe in beating the gak out of everybody but have you seen half of the scum the police have to deal with?

And?

black templar wrote:We don't believe in beating the gak out of everybody but have you seen half of the scum the police have to deal with? I don't see why there is a hatred for police officers if there was no police force everywhere would be a flaming ruin.

See, I think the problem is that a police force "beathing the gak out of everybody" is actively contributing to this problem. Cycle of violence, etc. It's not the only reason, to be sure, but when citizens start seeing officers do stuff like what we have seen on this video here, this perception is going to affect how said officers are seen and in turn treated. Undoubtedly this is a concern for those officers who have actually managed to stay true to their ideals - just as "getting beaten their gak out" is a problem for every victim of unnecessary police brutality.

"To protect and to serve" stops having any sort of meaning when you have entire departments with a history of abuse and obstruction of justice. The images and the video of the innocent homeless man tortured to death by half a dozen cops are still on everyone's mind. This here only adds on top of it. Don't tell me you do not see there's a problem.

Lynata wrote:

black templar wrote:We don't believe in beating the gak out of everybody but have you seen half of the scum the police have to deal with? I don't see why there is a hatred for police officers if there was no police force everywhere would be a flaming ruin.

See, I think the problem is that a police force "beathing the gak out of everybody" is actively contributing to this problem. Cycle of violence, etc. It's not the only reason, to be sure, but when citizens start seeing officers do stuff like what we have seen on this video here, this perception is going to affect how said officers are seen and in turn treated. Undoubtedly this is a concern for those officers who have actually managed to stay true to their ideals - just as "getting beaten their gak out" is a problem for every victim of unnecessary police brutality.

"To protect and to serve" stops having any sort of meaning when you have entire departments with a history of abuse and obstruction of justice. The images and the video of the innocent homeless man tortured to death by half a dozen cops are still on everyone's mind. This here only adds on top of it. Don't tell me you do not see there's a problem.

Also, doesn't it up the ante? If I'm Joe Blow and I know if the police are around their chances of beating on me are gret then I'm going to actively dislike the police and resist arrest up to lethal force to prevent that.

Frazzled wrote:Also, doesn't it up the ante? If I'm Joe Blow and I know if the police are around their chances of beating on me are gret then I'm going to actively dislike the police and resist arrest up to lethal force to prevent that.

Most of that sort of resistance probably happens as some sort of reflex rather than a pre-planned action, I think. "Flight or fight" instinct or something like that. What is more disturbing is that in the most (in)famous cases it wasn't even active resistance but rather just not being fast enough or acting confused.

But yeah, of course there is also a blowback effect attached that works against the cops. If a truly violent individual knows he cannot expect to be taken in gently, he too has no reason to hold back and will try to exert maximum force right away in the hopes of securing his escape.

It's part of why the police in Ireland aren't carrying firearms. And it seems to work.
"The Garda Síochána will succeed not by force of arms or numbers, but on their moral authority as servants of the people."
Of course you can forget this extreme in the US where about every 2nd guy seems to own a gun, but it's still the same general concept of de-escalation/prevention.

Help the Police.
Beat yourself up.

Kil...can't really do a good job on beating yourself up...self preservation and common sense a major factor....now if you really need someone to help you.....

Kilkrazy wrote:Help the Police.
Beat yourself up.

This reminds me. In Germany, you can buy a t-shirt with this print:

It says "police sports club"

My reaction after watchign the video:

I guess taking one step back was way too much for that officer.

On a scale of 1-10, this rates a 2.4 on my give a gak scale.

He shouldn't have kicked her, but I'm not fussed about it. Don't get drunk and kick cops, people.

Edit: Ironically, me using the word scale twice in that sentence rates a 3.0 on the same scale.

Ah yes Lynata...the spring loaded billy stick...swing once and get hit 99 times....I actually didn't feel sorry for the turk though...he should have stopped when the polizi said "stop"

Yes he should have, but he didn't.

Also, is this police brutality?

That was South Vietnamese Army Officer...I believe a General....that was military not police.

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If I remember correctly the individual was a possible spy

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he was a Vietcong fighter captured in Cholon, the Chinese section of Saigon
executed by Colonel Nguyễn Ngọc Loan - Tet ofensive February 2, 1968


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Colonel Nguyen Ngoc Loan, the shooter, was Director General of the National Police. He went into combat with the butt of his M-16 taped to his right forearm so he could fire one handed on full auto.

The man being shot, Nguyen Van Lem, was the captain of a Vietcong platoon that had just murdered the wives, children, and relatives of several Saigon police officers. Thirty-four bound bodies were later found in a ditch.

Complete now so he was in charge of the police.

Jihadin wrote:That was South Vietnamese Army Officer...I believe a General....that was military not police.

edit for spelling

2nd edit
If I remember correctly the individual was a possible spy

3rd edit
he was a Vietcong fighter captured in Cholon, the Chinese section of Saigon
executed by Colonel Nguyễn Ngọc Loan - Tet ofensive February 2, 1968


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Colonel Nguyen Ngoc Loan, the shooter, was Director General of the National Police. He went into combat with the butt of his M-16 taped to his right forearm so he could fire one handed on full auto.

The man being shot, Nguyen Van Lem, was the captain of a Vietcong platoon that had just murdered the wives, children, and relatives of several Saigon police officers. Thirty-four bound bodies were later found in a ditch.

Complete now so he was in charge of the police.

Yeah that pic is a really good example of the effect of imagery outside of context, the man who was executed was just caught killing a family of south Vietnamese. But we immediately assume that the shooter is the villian

Looking at the video now, I have very little sympathy for the woman. She should know that she's in a lot of trouble and needs to settle down, she didn't. If she had not kicked at the cop he would have written his report and moved on. She kicked at him, he kicked at her, unfortunately for her, he hit her a lot harder than she did. Bummer, but that's the way it is.

I'm sure a ton of people on here disagree with me, but that's not going to change my opinion. Even if you are drunk, you are responsible for your actions. If you attempt to assault a police officer, they should respond in kind. (Deadly weapon gets deadly weapon response, punch or kick gets likewise back) If you are stupid enough to bring a knife to a gun fight, then that's your own fault! In this case, if you are stupid enough to decide to kick from a sitting position, that's your fault. I'm glad the cop was in a superior position. Hopefully this woman will learn from the experience.

The lady that I referred to earlier, who charged a cop with a knife, didn't get a chance to learn from her mistake. That's unfortunate for all concerned. I feel worse about that then this situation because this lady can learn.

She will learn. The money she wins from the lawsuit will pay for lots of college.

Don't really what to make of that video.

Did she ask to get kicked after trying to kick him? Yeah.

Was the officer in a better position to deal with her other than just kicking her in the head? Yeah.

But have to wonder, with so many cops being put in the public eye for police brutality, wouldn't they think twice before they do something potentially stupid? Or is it a adrenaline thing?

The heat...it was the heat that crept up on him...hot...sweaty...pissed off because he left the aircondition cruiser...hand cramp from writting....dehydrated...hungover from last night drunkfest...GF/wife left him..took the dog with them to...it was not his day nor hers

Jihadin wrote:The heat...it was the heat that crept up on him...hot...sweaty...pissed off because he left the aircondition cruiser...hand cramp from writting....dehydrated...hungover from last night drunkfest...GF/wife left him..took the dog with them to...it was not his day nor hers

Damn, Frazzled has been having it rough lately.

Think he might be losing it...we do have proof he's actually arming the weiner dogs for real

if a guy can get hurt trying to rob your house and sue you and win this woman better win the fething lottery

Tye_Informer wrote:Even if you are drunk, you are responsible for your actions. If you attempt to assault a police officer, they should respond in kind. (Deadly weapon gets deadly weapon response, punch or kick gets likewise back)

Even if you wear a badge, you are responsible for your actions. Also, since when exactly is a half-hearted sideways swing against someone's calf "likewise" to kicking somebody in the head?

Tye_Informer wrote:The lady that I referred to earlier, who charged a cop with a knife, didn't get a chance to learn from her mistake. That's unfortunate for all concerned. I feel worse about that then this situation because this lady can learn.

Learn to not trust the local law enforcement.
Great job, officer. Well done. I'm sure the department is really proud of this hero, his decisive action sure made his colleagues' jobs a lot easier. Somebody award that man a medal for showing that dirty citizen what's what!

I've come to a point where I seriously don't know what's worse - this kind of thing happening, or people trying to defend it.

Piston Honda wrote:But have to wonder, with so many cops being put in the public eye for police brutality, wouldn't they think twice before they do something potentially stupid? Or is it a adrenaline thing?

If it'd be adrenaline, that guy has a health problem, for it sure is rising and dropping incredibly fast.
I still think it's some stress-related psychosis; who knows what this officer has been through in his career so far. If what I heard about employment in law enforcement often also having negative effects on a relationship, he might even have trouble with his family. In moments like these, I suppose all the gak he feels he had to take from his boss, from the bank, from the gangs and from his wife (if he has one) could be focused on whoever is on the receiving end of his fist/foot/baton/taser. Power does corrupt, if not handled with care, and humans simply subconsciously or consciously enjoy having others at their mercy and exerting their dominance. It's in our nature, and it's the premier reason for why we had (and have, when looking at Afghanistan) so many inhumane things happen in various wars. The only way to counter this is rigid internal policing, counseling, and proper treatment of personnel (regular holidays, okay'ish pay, rotating officers in and out of crisis zones, etc).

All must learn to embrace the SUCK!