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black templar wrote:We don't believe in beating the gak out of everybody but have you seen half of the scum the police have to deal with? I don't see why there is a hatred for police officers if there was no police force everywhere would be a flaming ruin.

Have you seen half of the police scum WE have to deal with? If you don't see why there's hatred for cops, maybe you'd be better looking harder.

I've had to deal with violent, drunk militaries in bars ; violent, drugged criminals on the streets, and violent sober cops in daylight in a park. I felt much safer with the jarheads and the thugs, to be honest.

Doesn't help that Montreal is basically Gotham City without the Batman, tho...

HHHmmm I've already had to pick up some of my soldiers from jail. Drunk and disordely but we in the military call it Alcohol related incident. Local police are shall we say quite understanding towards us and they also know we hammer them a lot harder then a judge. Thats the minor offense. Few guys in another Battalion got tazered and pepper sprayed for being batshia crazy and appropiately dealt with. Besides a lot of us know the law enforcements officers anyway since a lot of us go to the range to cap some targets. Also we're allowed high capacity magazines so they get a kick when they can fire off a insane amount of rounds

Thing is, I'm the most non-threatening person in the world. When people try to pick up fight we me, I usually just laugh and say 'Yeah, you win, no contest'. That has allowed me to intervene a few times and break up ongoing fights, one of them being between a few soldiers at a friends birthday. They spent the entire night trying to pick up fights, and I spent the entire night putting myself between them, and they never even lifted their hand.

Cops are another story entirely. Once, they threatened me (us)with tasers while they allowed the bouncers of some bar to beat one of my friend near unconsciousness. I still get pumped just thinking about the story. It's the kind of thing I would've doubted happened outside of ghettos, and frak, I endend up being part of the story. Of course, when my friend (the guy who got beaten) got around to make a complaint, all information about who had answered that call was lost... When the cops got around to bringing in the bouncers for ID on assault charges, it was about 5 months later, and none could be succesfully IDed...

Another time, they brought us in under Drunk and Disordedly... because we we're laughing loud (they started by accusing us of laughing at them, then, when we didn't bite, went to D&D) it wasn't even 8h00pm...

Another time, they brought one of my friend under suspicion of assault. They had answered a call from a bar, and where screening people at the door, and when my friend came out for a cig, and just said 'wow, lots of pigs here', they picked him up. Regardless of the fact that he didn't fit at all the description of the assaulter. But that's okay, we were law school buddies, so I know he ripped them a new one in front of the judge...

My favorite has always been:

"You know, you can pay that ticket with me and avoid the hassle."

"No thanks, I'd rather not be baited into bribing a police office."

Wait, they actually ask that question? Geeze, what douchebags...

Ah, good old alcohol related incidents. My Battalion had the highest number of 'em in all of USAREUR for about a 4-5 month stretch in 2006. Good times. Got to be they didn't even punish the soldiers anymore, since so many NCOs were causing 'em.



- my favorite was one of the mechanic sergeants in my company motor pool got dissed by some german skinhead dude, said and I quote "We kicked your ass in WWII and I am gonna kick your ass now." and proceeded to hit him in the face with a pool ball so hard his eye fell out. Whilst wearing a full on Canadian tuxedo.

Jihadin wrote:Think he might be losing it...we do have proof he's actually arming the weiner dogs for real

You know it. Alliances have been made. Oaths have been taken. Munitions shipments rerouted...

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Testify wrote:Seriously if a cop did something like this on an English city center, there'd be blood on the streets.

Didn't a cop shove a random and completely innocent citizen so hard to the ground that he died due to his head slamming against the concrete?

Yes, that and also the guy who got pulled out of a wheelchair during some of the protests last year. There was a report that he was wheeling towards the riot policeman in a menacing manner.. (seriously!)

That video with the sausage dog & firework just made me spill my tea by the way!

Pacific wrote:There was a report that he was wheeling towards the riot policeman in a menacing manner.. (seriously!)

I'm sure he must have attempted to run them over!

Dakka. Where people will come to defend a policeman who kicks a sitting, handcuffed woman. I mean, there haven't been many to justify this, but still, Dakka is an amazing place.


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Frazzled wrote:

Brilliant!


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black templar wrote:We don't believe in beating the gak out of everybody but have you seen half of the scum the police have to deal with? I don't see why there is a hatred for police officers if there was no police force everywhere would be a flaming ruin.

We as a society think its possible to place some kind of restrictions on police, while still having them in existance. Exactly where that line is drawn is subjective and up for debate, but just about everyone thinks 'kick a women who's handcuffed and sitting' is not something they need to be able to do to keep society from falling into a flaming ruin.


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Tye_Informer wrote:Looking at the video now, I have very little sympathy for the woman. She should know that she's in a lot of trouble and needs to settle down, she didn't. If she had not kicked at the cop he would have written his report and moved on. She kicked at him, he kicked at her, unfortunately for her, he hit her a lot harder than she did. Bummer, but that's the way it is.

You're mistake there is in looking at this in the very limited 'who can we pass judgement on' way. Don't think about the women, don't pass stuff through a filter of 'who can I say did something wrong and therefore ignore completely'. Just think about what police should and shouldn't be able to do.

At which point you should ask 'should policemen be allowed to kick handcuffed, sitting people who are no chance of escaping, or of harming an officer or member of the public?' And the answer to that is 'of course they shouldn't, what a stupid question'.

As such, what the officer did was wrong. Whether his action was instigated by someone who also did something wrong is irrelevant.

I'm sure a ton of people on here disagree with me, but that's not going to change my opinion.

You shouldn't consider changing your opinion because lots of people disagree with you, you should consider changing it because people have shown you the flaws in the reasoning you used to reach your opinion.

Melissia wrote:Wait, they actually ask that question? Geeze, what douchebags...

Yes, though it depends on how nice a car you're driving.

I am a veteran police officer. I have been one for over 14 years in a pretty tough bordertown in southern New Mexico. I think the officer in the video was completely unjustified in kicking that drunk woman. I have never seen anything like that in my job experience. I would report it if I saw it. I think some of the posters here have a reading comprehension problem. He was convicted of battery. He didn't get off scott free. Yeah, the sentence was suspended but apparently most of you have no idea how the USA legal system works. I have seen convicted murders and rapist leave prison after 8 years. Most white collar criminals never see the inside of a jail. What he did would be a misdemeanor in most jurisdictions. Less than a year in jail at the most.

I have read all the anecdotes about bad police officers ya'll have been sharing. I have seen some of that myself. Before I went to the Academy, I was a singer for a Death Metal band with a 2 foot long ponytail and an unhealthy addiction to Blood Bowl and Cannibal Corpse. I had my share of attention from cops. What makes me really mad is the trash talk from "kids" who have no idea what they are talking about. Some of you need to get a job and get some reality. Try being a cop in your community. The job is way tougher than most of you can handle. Again, I think the cop that kicked that chick was a punk. He ain't me. He ain't my pals. We hate guys like that. I ride a 2011 Harley everyday and give tons of speeding tickets. It's a good job and I think I have made a difference.

templarboy wrote:I have read all the anecdotes about bad police officers ya'll have been sharing. I have seen some of that myself. Before I went to the Academy, I was a singer for a Death Metal band with a 2 foot long ponytail and an unhealthy addiction to Blood Bowl and Cannibal Corpse. I had my share of attention from cops. What makes me really mad is the trash talk from "kids" who have no idea what they are talking about. Some of you need to get a job and get some reality. Try being a cop in your community. The job is way tougher than most of you can handle. Again, I think the cop that kicked that chick was a punk. He ain't me. He ain't my pals. We hate guys like that. I ride a 2011 Harley everyday and give tons of speeding tickets. It's a good job and I think I have made a difference.

The 'hatred' for cops I spoke about was certainly an exageration. It's mostly a mild dislike and an actual discomfort. You have to understand, it seems that a lot of cops don't share your ideals of professionnalism. In the last 2 shootings in Montreal in which the police was involve, each had a collateral kill. On top of things, right now, the police is seriously antagonising a large part of the population with the student strike repression. We're called marxists, revolutionnaries (lol), the police sets up phone taps of student associations as part of the anti-anarchist program, we get arrested for wearing panda costumes during the manifestations...

Here, right now, ''being a cop in the community'' means ''being a tool of the establishment in repressing the damn pinko strikers who manifests against a price hike''. You have to be aware of that side as well.

I also think it's completely disengenuous to say that cops keeps us from anarchy, death and fires everywhere. Criminals are (mostly) after profit, which doesn't exists in a wasteland...

I was liking your post until I read the "go get a jerb!" nonsense...

If you want to claim others have no clue what's going on with police, I'd say you need to shut your face about trying to find a job, because you don't have any recent experience on that apparently...

Melissia wrote:I was liking your post until I read the "go get a jerb!" nonsense...

If you want to claim others have no clue what's going on with police, I'd say you need to shut your face about trying to find a job, because you don't have any recent experience on that apparently...

Nice to see that you are still so polite. I would suggest that "you need to shut your face" because apparently you can't write anything without making it personal and inflammatory. Take a nap or something. Tell me all about your bad day but don't kick me because your feelings were hurt in a way I never intended.
I really like how you cherry picked that one statement and tried to use it to invalidate everything I said. What I was saying is the typical internet forum poster that talks out his butt needs to grow up a bit. Growing up usually means emerging from your grandmother basement and getting a job. Ya know, getting some responsibilties and all that goes along with being an adult. Then come talk to me about what is fair and real.

Nice try on shutting me up but your passive aggressive garbage would be better pointed somewhere else. Go complain about the WD Sisters codex or something.

templarboy wrote: I really like how you cherry picked that one statement

I like how you didn't actually read my post and didn't pay attention to it when you tried to respond to it.

You know, like how I said:

Melissia wrote:I was liking your post until I read the "go get a jerb!" nonsense...

I did read your post. And then I got to the nonsense about "gert a jerb" and it ruined the entire thing. And... yes. One ignorant statement like that can, in fact, ruin a post. Posting paternalistic nonsense like "grow up" and "get a job" does not make your posts intelligent or knowledgeable. It makes them insufferably smug and arrogant.

Which you are. Trying to talk down to people like they're children just makes you sound like an obnoxious twit, it does not endear you to anyone, nor does it make anyone want to respect you. But it might make them ignore your worthless, nonsensical, and ignorant advice.

Kovnik Obama wrote:

templarboy wrote:I have read all the anecdotes about bad police officers ya'll have been sharing. I have seen some of that myself. Before I went to the Academy, I was a singer for a Death Metal band with a 2 foot long ponytail and an unhealthy addiction to Blood Bowl and Cannibal Corpse. I had my share of attention from cops. What makes me really mad is the trash talk from "kids" who have no idea what they are talking about. Some of you need to get a job and get some reality. Try being a cop in your community. The job is way tougher than most of you can handle. Again, I think the cop that kicked that chick was a punk. He ain't me. He ain't my pals. We hate guys like that. I ride a 2011 Harley everyday and give tons of speeding tickets. It's a good job and I think I have made a difference.

The 'hatred' for cops I spoke about was certainly an exageration. It's mostly a mild dislike and an actual discomfort. You have to understand, it seems that a lot of cops don't share your ideals of professionnalism. In the last 2 shootings in Montreal in which the police was involve, each had a collateral kill. On top of things, right now, the police is seriously antagonising a large part of the population with the student strike repression. We're called marxists, revolutionnaries (lol), the police sets up phone taps of student associations as part of the anti-anarchist program, we get arrested for wearing panda costumes during the manifestations...

Here, right now, ''being a cop in the community'' means ''being a tool of the establishment in repressing the damn pinko strikers who manifests against a price hike''. You have to be aware of that side as well.

I also think it's completely disengenuous to say that cops keeps us from anarchy, death and fires everywhere. Criminals are (mostly) after profit, which doesn't exists in a wasteland...

I agree with people generally disliking cops, although it's not a hatred. When someone at my school said he wanted to be a policeman, most of the class just started laughing because rather than thinking it through they automatically think "policemen are bad, and that's a stupid job". I find it rediculous.

templarboy wrote:Some of you need to get a job and get some reality. Try being a cop in your community. The job is way tougher than most of you can handle.

Why should we try to be understanding when we can simply fire you?

simply fire you?

Police unions might prevent/delay that

Well, fire, suspend, place on administrative leave, or otherwise make your life unpleasant for an extended period.

Melissia wrote:

templarboy wrote: I really like how you cherry picked that one statement

I like how you didn't actually read my post and didn't pay attention to it when you tried to respond to it.

You know, like how I said:

Melissia wrote:I was liking your post until I read the "go get a jerb!" nonsense...

I did read your post. And then I got to the nonsense about "gert a jerb" and it ruined the entire thing. And... yes. One ignorant statement like that can, in fact, ruin a post. Posting paternalistic nonsense like "grow up" and "get a job" does not make your posts intelligent or knowledgeable. It makes them insufferably smug and arrogant.

Which you are. Trying to talk down to people like they're children just makes you sound like an obnoxious twit, it does not endear you to anyone, nor does it make anyone want to respect you. But it might make them ignore your worthless, nonsensical, and ignorant advice.

Personal and inflammatory as usual. Since I am not "intelligent or knowledgeable" about my subject, enlighten me. Be productive instead of accusatory and lighten up on the ad hominem attacks. They don't make you intelligent or knowledgeable either. No wonder they ran you off from Bolter and Chainsword.


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dogma wrote:

templarboy wrote:Some of you need to get a job and get some reality. Try being a cop in your community. The job is way tougher than most of you can handle.

Why should we try to be understanding when we can simply fire you?

How would you go about this? Do you know how many times I have heard " I am gonna get yer badge!"? Back to what I was saying. Before spewing hatred against an entire group of people who do a very tough job, step into their perspective. If you fired me, who would you call for help? Your buddies? Good luck with that. How would you change the system? How would you make it better? Until those talking garbage have a better idea, I suggest they moderate their rhetoric.

templarboy wrote:How would you go about this?

Bribery, probably with the use of connections. More likely I'll just note your name, and feed an unflattering story to local journalists; which is to say make you more trouble than you're worth.

This is, of course, provided you do something like kick a woman in the head.

templarboy wrote:
Do you know how many times I have heard " I am gonna get yer badge!"?

Probably thousands, and if they can't pronounce the word "your" they probably don't know how to go about it. Hell, even if they can they probably don't.

templarboy wrote:
Back to what I was saying. Before spewing hatred against an entire group of people who do a very tough job, step into their perspective. If you fired me, who would you call for help? Your buddies? Good luck with that. How would you change the system? How would you make it better? Until those talking garbage have a better idea, I suggest they moderate their rhetoric.

If I fired you I would call your replacement. We have 300 million people you know, and many are unemployed.

You're expendable to everyone that you don't refer to in a familiar manner. Until you understand that, I suggest you moderate your rhetoric.

Cool it, folks. Personal insults and attacks are inappropriate. Any more nastiness in this thread and the offenders get suspended.

templarboy wrote:Before spewing hatred against an entire group of people who do a very tough job, step into their perspective.

That being the perspective of the guys that do their job fine, or that of those that kicks ladies they've just arrested? You lump togheter a group of people due to their job description, and not how well they do it, and how dedicated to the principles they should defend. By doing so, you defend the actions of those people, even tho you might not want to, because you request respect to be laid at the feet of 'an entire group of people who do a very tough job'. Problem is, doing a tough job doesn't entitle you to any respect, if you end up botching the job.

When the fine officers out there stop defending the crappy officers out there, you'll have a point. Until then, I'll keep being as worried by officers as I am by the crackheads in the park next to my place, because up until now I've never seen crackheads use the law to abuse, sequester and kill people, but I've seen/known of officers who've done so.

If you fired me, who would you call for help? Your buddies? Good luck with that. How would you change the system? How would you make it better? Until those talking garbage have a better idea, I suggest they moderate their rhetoric.

Neighbourhood watches aren't that ineffective, at least up here, although they might not be a much better solution than cops has far as potential abuse of situation. I guess the real solution would be to find an effective way to weed out the potential abusers out of the officers training classes, before they even get a chance to get in position of power. Psychology ; building a better world with better people

Alternatively we could just turn you all into gun servitors (hey you asked for solutions, not feasible solutions )

I'm getting so sick of the unwarranted hatred toward police. Yeah, there are some that abuse their power, but instances like these are inflated by the attention it gets. I'm guessing she was being uncooperative to begin with, and you very nearly deserve a kick to the head if you attempt to assault a police officer after getting arrested. What he did was stupid, but what she did was more stupid. I don't think his punishment was too lenient at all.

Actually, most of the time it gets little to no attention and the cops get away with a slap on the wrist at most.

starhawks wrote:I'm getting so sick of the unwarranted hatred toward police. Yeah, there are some that abuse their power, but instances like these are inflated by the attention it gets. I'm guessing she was being uncooperative to begin with, and you very nearly deserve a kick to the head if you attempt to assault a police officer after getting arrested. What he did was stupid, but what she did was more stupid. I don't think his punishment was too lenient at all.

NO.
What he did was criminal. Its jerks like this that make people hate the police.
In the areas where police are an occupation force its far worse.

Frazzled wrote:

starhawks wrote:I'm getting so sick of the unwarranted hatred toward police. Yeah, there are some that abuse their power, but instances like these are inflated by the attention it gets. I'm guessing she was being uncooperative to begin with, and you very nearly deserve a kick to the head if you attempt to assault a police officer after getting arrested. What he did was stupid, but what she did was more stupid. I don't think his punishment was too lenient at all.

NO.
What he did was criminal. Its jerks like this that make people hate the police.
In the areas where police are an occupation force its far worse.

So you think it's justified to hate the entire police force and be suspicious and hostile towards every police officer because of incidents like these? Why is it that everyone ignores those officers that die trying to take down dangerous criminals or saving helpless people? It's extremely unfair, and in my experience the only people who are hostile towards police are those who have gotten in trouble with them for doing something illegal and are bitter.

And you think it isn't justified to mistrust police when you hear regular tales of corruption within the force?

starhawks wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

starhawks wrote:I'm getting so sick of the unwarranted hatred toward police. Yeah, there are some that abuse their power, but instances like these are inflated by the attention it gets. I'm guessing she was being uncooperative to begin with, and you very nearly deserve a kick to the head if you attempt to assault a police officer after getting arrested. What he did was stupid, but what she did was more stupid. I don't think his punishment was too lenient at all.

NO.
What he did was criminal. Its jerks like this that make people hate the police.
In the areas where police are an occupation force its far worse.

So you think it's justified to hate the entire police force and be suspicious and hostile towards every police officer because of incidents like these? Why is it that everyone ignores those officers that die trying to take down dangerous criminals or saving helpless people? It's extremely unfair, and in my experience the only people who are hostile towards police are those who have gotten in trouble with them for doing something illegal and are bitter.

1. I think its justified to hate everyone.
2. What hate? Its not an either / or option. This isn't "we love the Po Po" vs. "the Man is keeping me down." Thats elementary school level morality. Its simply required professionalism on the part of people we have agreed to give extra powers to. If they can't meet those minimum standards then they shouldn't be employed as police officers. Simple as pie.
As an example. She Who Must Be Obeyed was pulled over Saturday, with yours truly riding shotgun. She got flustered, then got mad later, but then got deflustered. The officer was polite, businesslike, and highly professional. In contrast to LA, not once did he stick a pistol in my face. I intend to send a letter commending his behavior. If I were back in LA, we would have been spread eagle on the ground, interrogated, and generally treated as "the enemy."


I freely admit I'd be a horrible cop. On the positive I'd be an easily bribed cop. . .
Its not a bribe, its just tangible appreciation of my fine performance.