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 Mr. Burning wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
tell them that you'll add every racist/sexist/homophobic/ableist thing they ever said, and ask them if they plan to get into college or job that does background checks.

And then they can sue for tortuous interference and libel where you can have fun trying to prove everything said was actually said and not you being bitter. I'm sure that would do wonders for your own college application. I think we can do better than 'become what you hate'.

The laws of the land giving a helping hand to victim blaming...

As pointed out though. It's not that easy to stop a bully.

Good point.


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 Ahtman wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
tell them that you'll add every racist/sexist/homophobic/ableist thing they ever said, and ask them if they plan to get into college or job that does background checks.

And then they can sue for tortuous interference and libel where you can have fun trying to prove everything said was actually said and not you being bitter. I'm sure that would do wonders for your own college application. I think we can do better than 'become what you hate'.

Suing over the truth is a very bad idea. It's also a civil offense, not criminal, which means that the bully would have to spend his own money hiring a lawyer for anything to happen.

Plus you probably wouldn't have any money at this age any way, so if he sues you, it's his loss.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Suing over the truth is a very bad idea. It's also a civil offense, not criminal, which means that the bully would have to spend his own money hiring a lawyer for anything to happen.

Plus you probably wouldn't have any money at this age any way, so if he sues you, it's his loss.

No, the parents would probably sue your parents, and you would have to prove that it was the truth, which would be very difficult. Of course it is a civil offense, unless they decide to add blackmail (Do what I say or I will ruin your reputation, chances of getting into college). They might feel like spending the money because the parents rarely see their child as the bully, or they may get a contingency lawyer, or even already be a lawyer themselves. Making a public website disparaging someone is an incredibly bad idea, especially for teens. To much of your idea seems based on revenge fantasy and not based on the vagaries and goofiness of reality. And, once again, being the cyber bully isn't really a good response to cyber bullying.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Suing over the truth is a very bad idea. It's also a civil offense, not criminal, which means that the bully would have to spend his own money hiring a lawyer for anything to happen.

Plus you probably wouldn't have any money at this age any way, so if he sues you, it's his loss.

No, the parents would probably sue your parents, and you would have to prove that it was the truth, which would be very difficult. Of course it is a civil offense, unless they decide to add blackmail (Do what I say or I will ruin your reputation, chances of getting into college). They might feel like spending the money because the parents rarely see their child as the bully, or they may get a contingency lawyer, or even already be a lawyer themselves. Making a public website disparaging someone is an incredibly bad idea, especially for teens. To much of your idea seems based on revenge fantasy and not based on the vagaries and goofiness of reality. And, once again, being the cyber bully isn't really a good response to cyber bullying.

Then don't give them any warning and there's no risk of blackmail. Anyway, suing for libel over the truth is a very bad idea as at least something will be provable and will lead people to believe that there is far more to the story. Once one part of the bullying is established as true in court, you can publish it on as many websites as you want. Plus if you're over 18, you probably won't have any money so any guilty verdict would still be a loss for the plaintiff.

 Jihadin wrote:
My little guy pounded Chucklehead two times. Suspended both times.

That's one of my biggest problems in regards to bullying: people are encouraged to "stand up for themselves" as children, but when they do they almost always get punished just as badly as the bully does, if not worse.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Suing over the truth is a very bad idea. It's also a civil offense, not criminal, which means that the bully would have to spend his own money hiring a lawyer for anything to happen.

Plus you probably wouldn't have any money at this age any way, so if he sues you, it's his loss.

No, the parents would probably sue your parents, and you would have to prove that it was the truth, which would be very difficult. Of course it is a civil offense, unless they decide to add blackmail (Do what I say or I will ruin your reputation, chances of getting into college). They might feel like spending the money because the parents rarely see their child as the bully, or they may get a contingency lawyer, or even already be a lawyer themselves. Making a public website disparaging someone is an incredibly bad idea, especially for teens. To much of your idea seems based on revenge fantasy and not based on the vagaries and goofiness of reality. And, once again, being the cyber bully isn't really a good response to cyber bullying.

Then don't give them any warning and there's no risk of blackmail. Anyway, suing for libel over the truth is a very bad idea as at least something will be provable and will lead people to believe that there is far more to the story. Once one part of the bullying is established as true in court, you can publish it on as many websites as you want. Plus if you're over 18, you probably won't have any money so any guilty verdict would still be a loss for the plaintiff.

Again, this seems like an idealized version of how you would like to think a case would go, and doesn't factor in human pettiness or the nature of the legal system and its tenuous relationship to justice.

I accept his suspension. What is the school going to do? Have a sit down with them? Next thing they're after him because he's a "snitch". As long as he does not go beyond the what's required to thrash him then I am alright with it. My little guy knows how far to take it. As expected like my experience as a kid. They're buddies after a year.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Suing over the truth is a very bad idea. It's also a civil offense, not criminal, which means that the bully would have to spend his own money hiring a lawyer for anything to happen.

Plus you probably wouldn't have any money at this age any way, so if he sues you, it's his loss.

No, the parents would probably sue your parents, and you would have to prove that it was the truth, which would be very difficult. Of course it is a civil offense, unless they decide to add blackmail (Do what I say or I will ruin your reputation, chances of getting into college). They might feel like spending the money because the parents rarely see their child as the bully, or they may get a contingency lawyer, or even already be a lawyer themselves. Making a public website disparaging someone is an incredibly bad idea, especially for teens. To much of your idea seems based on revenge fantasy and not based on the vagaries and goofiness of reality. And, once again, being the cyber bully isn't really a good response to cyber bullying.

Then don't give them any warning and there's no risk of blackmail. Anyway, suing for libel over the truth is a very bad idea as at least something will be provable and will lead people to believe that there is far more to the story. Once one part of the bullying is established as true in court, you can publish it on as many websites as you want. Plus if you're over 18, you probably won't have any money so any guilty verdict would still be a loss for the plaintiff.

Again, this seems like an idealized version of how you would like to think a case would go, and doesn't factor in human pettiness or the nature of the legal system and its tenuous relationship to justice.

I've seen examples of libel cases, and suing over the truth is a very bad idea.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I've seen examples of libel cases, and suing over the truth is a very bad idea.

You seem hung up on libel only, and missing the forest for the trees. You also keep saying 'suing over the truth' like in any given scenario a person would have absolute proof of truth on a given situation, which isn't always, if not oftentimes, likely. Having seen a few cases isn't indicative of anything beyond a few cases. We can find a few cases that go the other way as well.

If you go back to your original statement you said to threaten the other person with making a website defaming their character and trying to torpedo their college applications. It is also not a good idea to a) threaten people and b) create websites devoted to defaming people, it is even more ludicrous when does as some defense of bullying.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I've seen examples of libel cases, and suing over the truth is a very bad idea.

You seem hung up on libel only, and missing the forest for the trees. You also keep saying 'suing over the truth' like in any given scenario a person would have absolute proof of truth on a given situation, which isn't always, if not oftentimes, likely. Having seen a few cases isn't indicative of anything beyond a few cases. We can find a few cases that go the other way as well.

If you go back to your original statement you said to threaten the other person with making a website defaming their character and trying to torpedo their college applications. It is also not a good idea to a) threaten people and b) create websites devoted to defaming people, it is even more ludicrous when does as some defense of bullying.

We should also factor in that almost all of the Inquisitors cases have been simple trolling, which he simply is unable to not react to in a way that only spurs the trolls further on. It's getting to the CWC stage now where any further action against such people is always made in the worst and easiest to feed off possible way. Not replying, and simply moving on would be simple.


http://bigotry.sashaweb.net/Bloodreaper

Oh god this is hilarious. Seriously, this is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen. We've just reached CWC levels.

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lel.

This one time there were accidentally 30 million threads about cyber bullying. . .

Hey imposter101, that just leads to a deleted page.

This might help:

It's almost as if you can't just put stuff on the Internet and then just pretend it never existed...

Can I briefly point out that footnote?

Can we obey the red writing and drop this tangent?

 motyak wrote:
Can we obey the red writing and drop this tangent?

Yes. I was discussing the effectiveness of a counter bullying strategy with Ahtman and a sockpuppet of Bloodreaper Imposter101 derailed it with personal attacks.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 motyak wrote:
Can we obey the red writing and drop this tangent?

Yes. I was discussing the effectiveness of a counter bullying strategy with Ahtman and a sockpuppet of Bloodreaper Imposter101 derailed it with personal attacks.

I posted an example of your counter bullying stratagem.

I'm also going to stop posting now, because it seems that this is over, and continuation is pointless.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 motyak wrote:
Can we obey the red writing and drop this tangent?

Yes. I was discussing the effectiveness of a counter bullying strategy with Ahtman and a sockpuppet of Bloodreaper Imposter101 derailed it with personal attacks.

1) You got a red text warning to drop it.
2) You didn't drop it.
3) You talked about "just making a wiki page full of personal attacks, that will teach a bully"
4) Somebody posted a link of a wiki-page that shows personal attacks against a member you always rant about.
5) Suddenly that wiki-page is deleted.
6) The log on that page shows that every edit was done by you.
7) You follow up with more personal attacks claiming sockpuppets instead of reporting the account to see if it really is a sockpuppet.

It's quite sad actually...

Perfect examples of how not to deal with bullies.

Also. The bigotry page the grand inquisitor has 'links' to has incorrect information: I'll shoot him a PM.

Maybe get some facts right and your stance may have better foundations

Just saying.

My word, my grammar is really atrocious.

General in thread warnings ignored, so specific warnings given out.

Some suspensions too.

Stay on topic, and perhaps more importantly, follow Rule #1 at all times.

After watching some national news last night (which is extremely rare, was waiting on football to come on), I am very interested in the new Florida law that may hold the bullies responsible. Im not very familiar with it, but I wonder if it's possible to get up to Manslaughter or even 3rd degree?

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
After watching some national news last night (which is extremely rare, was waiting on football to come on), I am very interested in the new Florida law that may hold the bullies responsible. Im not very familiar with it, but I wonder if it's possible to get up to Manslaughter or even 3rd degree?

Yes! Jail time! That will certainly steer bullies on the right path!

 Soladrin wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
After watching some national news last night (which is extremely rare, was waiting on football to come on), I am very interested in the new Florida law that may hold the bullies responsible. Im not very familiar with it, but I wonder if it's possible to get up to Manslaughter or even 3rd degree?

Yes! Jail time! That will certainly steer bullies on the right path!

They will get bullied in the two-hole while they are there!

 Soladrin wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
After watching some national news last night (which is extremely rare, was waiting on football to come on), I am very interested in the new Florida law that may hold the bullies responsible. Im not very familiar with it, but I wonder if it's possible to get up to Manslaughter or even 3rd degree?

Yes! Jail time! That will certainly steer bullies on the right path!

Bullies whose actions ultimately lead to a loss of life are no longer bullies. There's an argument to be made that if you so ruthlessly make fun of another human being that they can no longer bear it, and die because of it, then you are no longer a bully, but rather a murderer, or at least an accessory to it.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
After watching some national news last night (which is extremely rare, was waiting on football to come on), I am very interested in the new Florida law that may hold the bullies responsible. Im not very familiar with it, but I wonder if it's possible to get up to Manslaughter or even 3rd degree?

Yes! Jail time! That will certainly steer bullies on the right path!

Bullies whose actions ultimately lead to a loss of life are no longer bullies. There's an argument to be made that if you so ruthlessly make fun of another human being that they can no longer bear it, and die because of it, then you are no longer a bully, but rather a murderer, or at least an accessory to it.

I could live with a law like this. But since the bullied almost always do not tell anyone their situation and the fact that bullying is one of those situations where its seen as best not to interfere/get involved/take interest I can't say many successful prosecutions - Cyber bullies who leave a footprint aside.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

I could live with a law like this. But since the bullied almost always do not tell anyone their situation and the fact that bullying is one of those situations where its seen as best not to interfere/get involved/take interest I can't say many successful prosecutions - Cyber bullies who leave a footprint aside.

With the direction that society is taking, I honestly think that, any more, there is always going to be Real Life bullying coupled with Cyber Bullying. I do think it sad that we almost never hear anything about this sort of behavior, until after someone kills themselves because they were on the receiving end of it.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/bullying-santa-letter-ireport/index.html


aww man ...

That is a moving story. What a brother.

140 lbs in third grade, though? That can't be healthy.

feeder wrote:
That is a moving story. What a brother.

140 lbs in third grade, though? That can't be healthy.

Definitely not... But they point out that she's an "emotional eater" she's in the 3rd fething grade.. be a PARENT!!!!

*sigh*
I hate kids. No matter what generation bullying will persist. Its a sad unfortunate thing. Wish we could stop things like this.