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I think there's always going to be a thin line a'twixt hazing and bullying.
You'll never entirely eliminate the former through any realistic means -- and to a certain extent I'm not sure that would even be desirable. One can appreciate that a certain amount of espirit de Corps, bonhomie or however one wishes to phrase it is a good thing.
But, of course, there needs to be procedures in place for as/when/if this goes too far.
Which there appear to be and one assumes they generally work.
But like all policies they'll need to be looked at or reconsidered every now and again.
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Hazing on that one I mention was "Blood Wings"
Think the US Army got nailed with "Blood Ranks"
Navy got nailed with "Shellback"
Think the Air Force is denied the Hotel Suite for one week.....
Red. Jump to 1:55. Turn the volume down and try not to cringe or laugh or whatever
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Yes. A lot of Alcohol is involved
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Which is a little ridiculous. Crossing the line ceremonies are downright ancient, and crawling through grease ain't the worst thing in the world, but whatever.
Oi? What's this I hear about eating an olive out of a belly button a Chief or something...and off to my appt.
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Jihadin wrote: Oi? What's this I hear about eating an olive out of a belly button a Chief or something...and off to my appt.
Officially, I'd say such things do not occur.
Unofficially, I'd ask how cute she is before deciding.
Besides, we've already covered "it's an officer thing" in this thread already, and going from pollywog to shellback as a commissioned officer just means having to make your own martinis and do your own pedicures for a day.
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Jihadin wrote: Hazing on that one I mention was "Blood Wings"
Think the US Army got nailed with "Blood Ranks"
Navy got nailed with "Shellback"
Think the Air Force is denied the Hotel Suite for one week.....
Yes. A lot of Alcohol is involved
Sorry, there was nothing really funny about that. I could feel his drunken pain after about five or six elbow thrusts into the chest. Luckily, gold wings are probably made out of the same crappy anodized brass as collar EGAs, so they probably got dull after three or four punches...
I have mixed feelings about hazing. Yes, it builds charisma among the unit and crap like that, but it's really just embarrassing nonsense. We have internet in the barracks to keep ourselves occupied now.
ITT i.ternet tough guys disparage 12 year old suicide victim and win Victim Blaming award.
Cyberbullying is difficult because it follows the kid home, can involve potentially dozens of students outside the normal group and is generally not taken seriously by adults as they are too old to have experienced it. I am on my phone so typing is a pain, but in 4 years of teaching I have seen multiple cases that resulted in students (usually vulnerable girls) suffering serious ill effects.
Now all we need to do is wait for the "ban the internet" policies that I'm sure will appear.
No no... first we regulate against the "Assault internet" and "high capacity download clips" or some such nonsense
Actually, it's
"We need to CRASSIUS ASSAULT TRANSPORT, against "CRASSIUS ASSAULT TRANSPORT internet" and "high CRASSIUS ASSAULT TRANSPORT download clips."
daedalus wrote: I'm still just blown away that we allow this kind of unrestricted access to the internet to 12 year olds.
I've SEEN the internet. It's not something I'd let my 12 year old close to, were I to have one.
That is harder then you think. first do you have a computer in the house? Second are you always there? Third can you regulate what they do online w/o constant watching? Third can you see what they do at school? what about hat a friends house or library or internet cafe?
daedalus wrote: I'm still just blown away that we allow this kind of unrestricted access to the internet to 12 year olds.
I've SEEN the internet. It's not something I'd let my 12 year old close to, were I to have one.
That is harder then you think. first do you have a computer in the house? Second are you always there? Third can you regulate what they do online w/o constant watching? Third can you see what they do at school? what about hat a friends house or library or internet cafe?
At 12, they will have a "Kids" user account which they will be able to log into... the internet filter will be so strict, they'll be lucky if they can get to Wikipedia. School is different, of course, but that's where I get onto their teachers... Library/internet cafe will not happen without either myself or the wife. And they won't be allowed to friends houses without my prior meeting the parents... and should they go to that friends house without permission... well, they'd best hope they can summon all the Cavalry Heroes resting at Fiddlers Green.
daedalus wrote: I'm still just blown away that we allow this kind of unrestricted access to the internet to 12 year olds.
I've SEEN the internet. It's not something I'd let my 12 year old close to, were I to have one.
That is harder then you think. first do you have a computer in the house? Second are you always there? Third can you regulate what they do online w/o constant watching? Third can you see what they do at school? what about hat a friends house or library or internet cafe?
From a technical point of view, you can configure whitelists for sites allowed to be accessible through the child's device that would be safe enough. Want more? Come ask me like a mature adult, and we'll discuss what and when. I don't need to always be there, because the whitelist is.
I can regulate where they go. I can also capture network traffic to search for keywords or applications that would be disturbing. It's disturbingly easy, especially when you have access to the home router.
You have third out there twice, but schools used to police that kind of stuff, and I would hope still do.
As far as friend's houses, well, if my parents were actually able to monitor and control 100% of what I did as a kid, I'd probably be more screwed up than I am now. Occasional peeks into the stuff shuffled under the rug isn't evil, the important part is that they're not saturating themselves with it.
I get defensive about bullies,sorrt with being bullied myself I thought suicide.
I just dont get why we are blaming everyone here but the bullies. People thend to think it makes you strong when it really doesnt. Sure brushing off the occasional fat joke or off hand comment is possible and does build thicker skin. But when you are relentlessly hammered over and over again by bullies it breaks your spirit, especially if you have a narrow world view like most teens. For teens, the world begins and ends at school. It consumes their life and they sometimes grow a mindset that this is what the world is like, confining and tortourous What we really need to do is get schools to crack down on this kind of stuff
hotsauceman1 wrote: I get defensive about bullies,sorrt with being bullied myself I thought suicide.
I just dont get why we are blaming everyone here but the bullies. People thend to think it makes you strong when it really doesnt. Sure brushing off the occasional fat joke or off hand comment is possible and does build thicker skin. But when you are relentlessly hammered over and over again by bullies it breaks your spirit, especially if you have a narrow world view like most teens. For teens, the world begins and ends at school. It consumes their life and they sometimes grow a mindset that this is what the world is like, confining and tortourous What we really need to do is get schools to crack down on this kind of stuff
Well, the problem with bullies is that they:
- Like the internet, can't be policed 24/7.
- Require public servants to utilize their own discretion, personal judgement, and common sense. For some reason, we don't want to let this happen.
- Operate in ways that we don't actually fully understand. Why do people, not just kids, but people in general, bully? How do you "fix" them?
I don't like bullies myself. Most bullies are all air and no substance. My little guy pounded Chucklehead two times. Suspended both times. As long as he doesn't take it beyond common sense then he's alright. Common sense is stopping the pounding knowing you won and not inflicting pain just to inflict pain.
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I got blood winged and ranked, in addition to the usual hazing that just goes with being a Marine. That gak hurt. I missed out on Corporal though because of my medical separation, so I got to skip the ancient ritual of blood striping. Wherein all the NCOs in your shop beat your "blood stripes" into your legs. (Blood stripes being the famous red trouser stripe on Marine Corps dress blue uniforms, only NCOs and above wear the stripe, thus the ceremony regarding the transition)
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
Forar. Look up why the Canadian Airborne force was deactivated in early-mid nineties
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Is it really so hard to turn off the computer? I mean, really.
Actually, yes, it is.
When I read these threads, I see a bunch of old people who are out of touch with the complex social situations of young children.
My niece is 18. When she was 5, she had her own phone and other electronic devices. That was around 1999. Now imagine a 12 year old. Roughly, people who are 20 years or younger have lived and are living a life COCOONED within technology and online society. Sorry to be the bearer of new news, but times have changed my old grump friends.
Kids live a life enveloped within online social tendrils that permeates their entire lives to an extend we never did. When 'we' were bullied (I am 33) it was typically either at school, or at worst, in my neighborhood, outside my house. You know what kind of fear I lived in? I lived in fear of going to school and seeing the people bullying me on the bus, during recess, and after school. That was it. When I was HOME, I was safe. I played with my nintendo, gi joes, my next door neighbor, swam in my pool, etc... I had sanctuary to keep me safe and sane.
You know what kind of sanctuary these kids have now a days? None. Kids go home and everything social is done on their computers, on their phones, their handheld devices. Kids are wrapped in their social lives 24/7, literally. It is all around them, and they really can't escape it. The only way life when we were kids came close to this is when people called our house constantly, but eventually our parents would tell them to stop, or call their parents and that would normally end.
Kids these days don't have it that easy. They log on their computer to do research for the homework their teachers gave them, and they are receiving constant bombardment of hate and evil beeping, never ending. Alert! Jan says kill yourself. Alert! Jamahl wants you to die! Email! Marrissa says you are ugly and you aren't invited to any birthday parties in the neighborhood.
Basically, kids live in a world most of you say you understand, but obviously don't, due to the ignorant remarks always made here about "toughen up" or "turn your electronics off and play with dirt in the yard". Times are always changing, and 12 year olds have to live with the change, not us. How about we be a little more enlightened here?
Ayn Rand "We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality"
The bullied kid can turn have every single one of their electronic devices turned off, no problem there.
But the problem with cyber bullying is that it is not a 1-on-1 type of situation. Cyber Bullying includes the targeting of somebody in front of a huge audience.
The bullied kid might turn off his computer and not go on Facebook for a week. But during that week the bullies continue to post stuff, which continues to get shared to the rest of the school, which continues to get lots of comments and likes, which continues to contribute to real-life bullying when the kid goes to school the next day and has to deal with the 500 kids that saw the latest post making fun of him online and laughing at him in person now and continuing the taunts.
"Old school bullying" stopped once you got home. Cyber bullying doesn't stop.
"Turn off the computer, how hard can that be" is just as effective as telling a kid that is standing in front of an auditorium full of people screaming and laughing at him to "just stick your fingers in your ear and stop listening, how hard can that be".
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