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Some posts in this thread makes me think of that line from Scarface. "You need people like me so you can point your fething fingers, and say 'that's the bad guy'"
The context you're talking about doesn't matter, because you haven't formally created one. But again, for the purpose of being a dumb racist, context isn't the driving argument or point. You're just a dumb racist, or you're not. It's up to you as an individual to understand the difference.
Hordini wrote:
I'm not talking about someone being a dumb racist. I'm just talking about someone being racist (or not).
No, you asked me a couple of random questions. I told you they really didn't make a difference to what I'm talking about. If you have some point to make, then make it, but don't try and twist my posting into something else.
Hordini wrote:
I'm absolutely not trying to twist your post into something else. I asked you a couple of relatively general, direct questions, because I'm looking for a bit of clarification on the points you are trying to make.
But it's so easy. I gave so many wonderful examples. Lets take just one to show that the type of context you are talking about doesn't matter because my general argument still works for all the situations l have described.
You take a young lady out for coffee and tell her your favorite racist joke. Then you say, "but I'm not a racist."
You are a dumb racist.
What do you mean the context I'm talking about doesn't matter? What context do you think I'm talking about? I'm not limiting it to the context you gave in your list. I'm just asking very broadly, does context matter? Yes, I agree with your example - if you take someone out for coffee and tell them a racist joke and then say "but I'm not racist," there's a good chance that person will still think you're a racist. But I personally can think of some other contexts where that might not be the case, so I would posit that context matters. For example, if Louis CK or Chris Rock tells a joke that uses racially charged language, I probably won't automatically think they are a racist. If I read a paper or hear a conversation in which someone quotes a racially charged statement, I won't automatically think that the author or speaker is racist (although I may feel that way about the person being quoted); it all depends on the context in which that statement is placed.
If you don't think that context matters, then just say so. You don't even need to give an example. Just a yes or no. And if your answer is yes, then I'll say "Very well, I think we agree." If your answer is no, my next question is going to be "Why don't you think it matters?" I'm not trying to trick you or trap you into saying one or the other, I'm just trying to figure out where you actually stand on the matter and have a discussion about it.
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The context you're talking about doesn't matter, because you haven't formally created one. But again, for the purpose of being a dumb racist, context isn't the driving argument or point. You're just a dumb racist, or you're not. It's up to you as an individual to understand the difference.
Hordini wrote:
I'm not talking about someone being a dumb racist. I'm just talking about someone being racist (or not).
No, you asked me a couple of random questions. I told you they really didn't make a difference to what I'm talking about. If you have some point to make, then make it, but don't try and twist my posting into something else.
Hordini wrote:
I'm absolutely not trying to twist your post into something else. I asked you a couple of relatively general, direct questions, because I'm looking for a bit of clarification on the points you are trying to make.
But it's so easy. I gave so many wonderful examples. Lets take just one to show that the type of context you are talking about doesn't matter because my general argument still works for all the situations l have described.
You take a young lady out for coffee and tell her your favorite racist joke. Then you say, "but I'm not a racist."
You are a dumb racist.
What do you mean the context I'm talking about doesn't matter? What context do you think I'm talking about? I'm not limiting it to the context you gave in your list. I'm just asking very broadly, does context matter? Yes, I agree with your example - if you take someone out for coffee and tell them a racist joke and then say "but I'm not racist," there's a good chance that person will still think you're a racist. But I personally can think of some other contexts where that might not be the case, so I would posit that context matters. For example, if Louis CK or Chris Rock tells a joke that uses racially charged language, I probably won't automatically think they are a racist. If I read a paper or hear a conversation in which someone quotes a racially charged statement, I won't automatically think that the author or speaker is racist (although I may feel that way about the person being quoted); it all depends on the context in which that statement is placed.
If you don't think that context matters, then just say so. You don't even need to give an example. Just a yes or no. And if your answer is yes, then I'll say "Very well, I think we agree." If your answer is no, my next question is going to be "Why don't you think it matters?" I'm not trying to trick you or trap you into saying one or the other, I'm just trying to figure out where you actually stand on the matter and have a discussion about it.
Now you're talkin. You set up context. Context has meaning. The examples you give are very different then the ones I was talking about. People reading out of a newspaper? I don't know, is the paper called "The Racist Times." I was being pretty specific about my examples. Racist joke followed by "but I'm not racist," makes for a dumb racist. As far as celebrity and stand up goes, you're on your own to decide what you enjoy.
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Key phrase though. He does not consider them "inferior"
Then he is a dumb racist.
Taken at face value, your reply here is a statement that someone is dumb for "not" thinking people of other races are inferior.
I guess context really does matter.....or that SWJ's are the real racists.
Later,
ff
Learn to read. The spoiler shows a person telling racist jokes to people and then saying "but I'm not racist and I don't consider them inferior." That's still a dumb racist. Anything else is a misquote and a smear. Or just lack of reading skills.
A) This post is deliberately rude and insulting. A direct violation of Dakka posting policy.
B)There was no spoiler in the response of yours that I quoted. Even if there were, such would have no negative impact upon the point that I made.
C)Nothing you have posted in this reply has refuted my point about context. In fact you have made my argument for me.
Lets break it down, shall we:
You:
Say context doesn't matter. That if someone says something that can be taken as racist then that person is a horribadracistwhomustbereeducatedordie.
I:
Provide a direct quote from you that could be interpreted as horribly racist because of poor sentence structure or Fruedian Slip.
You:
Respond, "Hey your response to my statement was out of context so this proves that context doesn't matter......and oh yeah, you can't read"(See the flaw in your logic here)
Btw, your insults only serve to prove that you know that your stance and the logic it is based upon are flawed. Hopefully, you will know of what I am referencing here.... But, in this age where political indoctrination has replaced education, your ignorance of such would be understandable.
Later,
ff
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Officially elevated by St. God of Yams to the rank of Scholar of the Church of the Children of the Eternal Turtle Pie at 11:42:36 PM 05/01/09
If they are too stupid to live, why make them?
In the immortal words of Socrates, I drank what??!
Key phrase though. He does not consider them "inferior"
Then he is a dumb racist.
Taken at face value, your reply here is a statement that someone is dumb for "not" thinking people of other races are inferior.
I guess context really does matter.....or that SWJ's are the real racists.
Later,
ff
Learn to read. The spoiler shows a person telling racist jokes to people and then saying "but I'm not racist and I don't consider them inferior." That's still a dumb racist. Anything else is a misquote and a smear. Or just lack of reading skills.
A) This post is deliberately rude and insulting. A direct violation of Dakka posting policy.
B)There was no spoiler your response that I quoted. If you have since added one that will speak volumes as to your character.
C)Nothing you have posted in this reply has refuted my point about context. In fact you have made my argument for me.
Lets break it down, shall we:
You:
Say context doesn't matter. That if someone says something that can be taken as racist then that person is a horribadracistwhomustbereeducatedordie.
I:
Provide a direct quote from you that could be interpreted as horribly racist because of poor sentence structure or Fruedian Slip.
You:
Respond, "Hey your response to my statement was out of context so this proves that context doesn't matter......and oh yeah, you can't read"(See the flaw in your logic here)
Btw, your insults only serve to prove that you know that your stance and the logic it is based upon are flawed. Hopefully, you will know of what I am referencing here.... But, in this age where political indoctrination has replaced education, your ignorance of such would be understandable.
Later,
ff
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You're misreading intentionally or unintentionally, I don't pretend to know. And you're trying to create drama where there is none. Everyone else has read my post and knows what l'm talkin about. If you tell someone a racist joke and then say,"but I'm not racist" you are a dumb racist. To try to frame what I am saying in any other way is just dishonest. Later.
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You are a racist in any of those situations. If you don't understand that, than you are a dumb racist.
"Everyone who disagrees with me is a dumb racist."
You might be getting the "Most offensive post of the month" award.
There's a difference in actually "being racist" and "doing something racist". The former is an attitude and persists over a long time whereas the latter is a singular behavior.
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I am not convinced Dakka Dakka is the best place for this kind of discussion but will leave the thread open for now. In any case, I would appreciate it if everyone involved would kindly scale back the rhetoric. Thank you.
You are a racist in any of those situations. If you don't understand that, than you are a dumb racist.
"Everyone who disagrees with me is a dumb racist."
You might be getting the "Most offensive post of the month" award.
There's a difference in actually "being racist" and "doing something racist". The former is an attitude and persists over a long time whereas the latter is a singular behavior.
By doing something racist you continue to be percieved by others as racist. Stop doing racist things and overtime people may stop seeing you as racist.
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By doing something racist you continue to be percieved by others as racist. Stop doing racist things and overtime people may stop seeing you as racist.
Incorrect. You are only perceived as racist if the other people perceive your actions as racist. Telling a racist joke does not necessarily mean that the other person considers you being an actual racist (and if limited to singular events, doing so would be telling more of the other person than the alleged racist).
By doing something racist you continue to be percieved by others as racist. Stop doing racist things and overtime people may stop seeing you as racist.
Incorrect. You are only perceived as racist if the other people perceive your actions as racist. Telling a racist joke does not necessarily mean that the other person considers you being an actual racist (and if limited to singular events, doing so would be telling more of the other person than the alleged racist).
If you want to argue that you should be able to tell racist jokes and not have people think of you as racist, good luck with that. I just can't recommend it as anything other than a dumb idea.
If you want to argue that you should be able to tell racist jokes and not have people think of you as racist, good luck with that.
That's how common sense usually works. If you immediately assume that someone is a racist because he's telling a racist joke, then you gotta reflect your own attitudes / behavior. I'd highly recommend doing so, at the very least.
If you want to argue that you should be able to tell racist jokes and not have people think of you as racist, good luck with that.
That's how common sense usually works. If you immediately assume that someone is a racist because he's telling a racist joke, then you gotta reflect your own attitudes / behavior. I'd highly recommend doing so, at the very least.
If you want to argue that you should be able to tell racist jokes and not have people think of you as racist, good luck with that.
That's how common sense usually works. If you immediately assume that someone is a racist because he's telling a racist joke, then you gotta reflect your own attitudes / behavior. I'd highly recommend doing so, at the very least.
If I think someone might be racist because I just watched them do something racist it is really a sign of my own racism?
If I think someone might be racist because I just watched them do something racist it is really a sign of my own racism?
It might just as well be
It most certainly is a sign of you being an extremely close-minded and judgemental person with no sense of humor. It's very likely that there are other issues just below the surface I'd highly recommend looking into.
I used to work as a physics teacher in Hackney, and my head technician was a Jamaican fella called Lincoln. Very good friend of mine.
One day, Lincoln offers me a cup of tea. I say, "no thanks."
A very short time later, probably less than thirty seconds, Liz (as English as it gets) walks in and also offers me a cup of tea. This time, having changed my mind, I say, "yes"
Lincoln, in his best, most exaggerated, OTT Jamaican accent says, "Wassa matta, mon, you no wanna drink tea from da black man?"
I reply, in my best fake-posh accent, "Lincoln, you know very well that you are a field slave, not a kitchen slave, and you don't make the tea."
Lincoln, Liz and myself all collapse in gales of laughter.
I'm assuming that at least half the people in this thread will now accuse me of racism. The fact is, Lincoln initiated the joke, I escalated it, and he found it funny. I would never have made that joke had a stranger even been present, let alone made that joke to a stranger. Lincoln makes jokes about the fact that me liking jerk chicken and curry goat must mean I am a black man inside. I make jokes about the fact that must mean I also have a large penis. Lincoln says that is untrue, but that he himself does, as a black man, have a massive penis.
In other news, one of my best friends is Natasha. She is half-Jamaican and worked with Lincoln and I. Often, with three people in the room, we had 50% white people and 50% black people. It was a toss-up which one of us got the piss taken. Sometimes me, for being white, sometimes Lincoln, for being black, and sometimes Natasha, for being neither.
Natasha also has a good friend who is Jewish. She regularly takes the piss out of big Jewish nose. He then takes the piss out of her big black nose. If I am present, they then take the piss out of my big nose and point out that I do not even have the excuse of being black or Jewish, so my big nose is actually worse.
One of mine and Natasha's friends, Monique, was born in Korea but adopted as a baby by Australian parents. She identifies 100% as Aussie, speaks no Korean, has never been there. We've had one adult, grown-up discussion about her background, but she said, very clearly, she doesn't like to talk about it, so we never do, and never refer to her birth ethnicity, only her Aussie-ness, which we happily rip the piss out of mercilessly. She doesn't like to talk about her Korean side, so we don't. She fakes outrage at us taking the piss out of her Aussie-ness, but joins in the banter and gives us good as she gets, all with a smile on her face. (In fact, writing this I realise that maybe taking the piss out of her Aussie-ness actually makes her feel more Aussie, which she wants...)
Anyway, please proceed to detail all of the different ways in which I am racist.
I'll start;
1) I felt the need to point out I worked in Hackney at the start of a thread about racism.
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Though guards may sleep and ships may lay at anchor, our foes know full well that big guns never tire.
There isn't much to decipher; it was said quite a ways back that context and history are important. In this scenario you all knew each other and where the lines were/weren't. If it had been done with complete strangers it could have easily gone a different way. The jokes we make with friends (of varying degrees) are not the same we make with strangers or associates, assuming we have a modicum of sense. Another mystery solved.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
I used to work as a physics teacher in Hackney, and my head technician was a Jamaican fella called Lincoln. Very good friend of mine.
One day, Lincoln offers me a cup of tea. I say, "no thanks."
A very short time later, probably less than thirty seconds, Liz (as English as it gets) walks in and also offers me a cup of tea. This time, having changed my mind, I say, "yes"
Lincoln, in his best, most exaggerated, OTT Jamaican accent says, "Wassa matta, mon, you no wanna drink tea from da black man?"
I reply, in my best fake-posh accent, "Lincoln, you know very well that you are a field slave, not a kitchen slave, and you don't make the tea."
Lincoln, Liz and myself all collapse in gales of laughter.
I'm assuming that at least half the people in this thread will now accuse me of racism. The fact is, Lincoln initiated the joke, I escalated it, and he found it funny. I would never have made that joke had a stranger even been present, let alone made that joke to a stranger. Lincoln makes jokes about the fact that me liking jerk chicken and curry goat must mean I am a black man inside. I make jokes about the fact that must mean I also have a large penis. Lincoln says that is untrue, but that he himself does, as a black man, have a massive penis.
In other news, one of my best friends is Natasha. She is half-Jamaican and worked with Lincoln and I. Often, with three people in the room, we had 50% white people and 50% black people. It was a toss-up which one of us got the piss taken. Sometimes me, for being white, sometimes Lincoln, for being black, and sometimes Natasha, for being neither.
Natasha also has a good friend who is Jewish. She regularly takes the piss out of big Jewish nose. He then takes the piss out of her big black nose. If I am present, they then take the piss out of my big nose and point out that I do not even have the excuse of being black or Jewish, so my big nose is actually worse.
One of mine and Natasha's friends, Monique, was born in Korea but adopted as a baby by Australian parents. She identifies 100% as Aussie, speaks no Korean, has never been there. We've had one adult, grown-up discussion about her background, but she said, very clearly, she doesn't like to talk about it, so we never do, and never refer to her birth ethnicity, only her Aussie-ness, which we happily rip the piss out of mercilessly. She doesn't like to talk about her Korean side, so we don't. She fakes outrage at us taking the piss out of her Aussie-ness, but joins in the banter and gives us good as she gets, all with a smile on her face. (In fact, writing this I realise that maybe taking the piss out of her Aussie-ness actually makes her feel more Aussie, which she wants...)
Anyway, please proceed to detail all of the different ways in which I am racist.
I'll start;
1) I felt the need to point out I worked in Hackney at the start of a thread about racism.
Deep down, everyone is racist to a certain point. Preferring "your own kind" over people who look different is a natural reaction. Simply think about this: Would you, as a white person rather live in a completely white neighbourhood or a completely black neighboorhoud? I suspect most people would choose the first option.
Now this kind of racism doesn't hurt anyone, but it is racism nonetheless.
You Millennial wussies. Everything is casual with you. Back in My Day, our racism was strictly formal, with top hat and cane.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I used to work as a physics teacher in Hackney, and my head technician was a Jamaican fella called Lincoln. Very good friend of mine.
One day, Lincoln offers me a cup of tea. I say, "no thanks."
A very short time later, probably less than thirty seconds, Liz (as English as it gets) walks in and also offers me a cup of tea. This time, having changed my mind, I say, "yes"
Lincoln, in his best, most exaggerated, OTT Jamaican accent says, "Wassa matta, mon, you no wanna drink tea from da black man?"
I reply, in my best fake-posh accent, "Lincoln, you know very well that you are a field slave, not a kitchen slave, and you don't make the tea."
Lincoln, Liz and myself all collapse in gales of laughter.
I'm assuming that at least half the people in this thread will now accuse me of racism. The fact is, Lincoln initiated the joke, I escalated it, and he found it funny. I would never have made that joke had a stranger even been present, let alone made that joke to a stranger. Lincoln makes jokes about the fact that me liking jerk chicken and curry goat must mean I am a black man inside. I make jokes about the fact that must mean I also have a large penis. Lincoln says that is untrue, but that he himself does, as a black man, have a massive penis.
In other news, one of my best friends is Natasha. She is half-Jamaican and worked with Lincoln and I. Often, with three people in the room, we had 50% white people and 50% black people. It was a toss-up which one of us got the piss taken. Sometimes me, for being white, sometimes Lincoln, for being black, and sometimes Natasha, for being neither.
Natasha also has a good friend who is Jewish. She regularly takes the piss out of big Jewish nose. He then takes the piss out of her big black nose. If I am present, they then take the piss out of my big nose and point out that I do not even have the excuse of being black or Jewish, so my big nose is actually worse.
One of mine and Natasha's friends, Monique, was born in Korea but adopted as a baby by Australian parents. She identifies 100% as Aussie, speaks no Korean, has never been there. We've had one adult, grown-up discussion about her background, but she said, very clearly, she doesn't like to talk about it, so we never do, and never refer to her birth ethnicity, only her Aussie-ness, which we happily rip the piss out of mercilessly. She doesn't like to talk about her Korean side, so we don't. She fakes outrage at us taking the piss out of her Aussie-ness, but joins in the banter and gives us good as she gets, all with a smile on her face. (In fact, writing this I realise that maybe taking the piss out of her Aussie-ness actually makes her feel more Aussie, which she wants...)
Anyway, please proceed to detail all of the different ways in which I am racist.
I'll start;
1) I felt the need to point out I worked in Hackney at the start of a thread about racism.
That post has a lot of racism in it. No doubt.
So you think your moral high ground is superior than other people? wouldn't that make you a .....?
Iron_Captain wrote: Deep down, everyone is racist to a certain point. Preferring "your own kind" over people who look different is a natural reaction. Simply think about this: Would you, as a white person rather live in a completely white neighbourhood or a completely black neighboorhoud? I suspect most people would choose the first option.
Now this kind of racism doesn't hurt anyone, but it is racism nonetheless.
Interestingly, I live in both.
In Austin, the neighborhood is primarily independent business people, lawyers, and professional types working at Dell. I feel comfortable there, shouting at kids to get off my lawn. Its pretty quiet. Interestingly, except for people walking or cutting grass, they don't hang outside very much.
In Houston I live in a neighborhood that is 50% hispanic (and majority illegal), 30% black, and 20% white. Its generally all working class. Its a very different vibe but not in a bad way to a great extent. Its much more...loud, like neighborhoods used to be before kids discovered video games and the internet. People are out all over the place. kids playing, teenagers, being teenagers, parents and grandparents hanging outside their front yards. It reminds me of decades ago.
chromedog wrote: Must be so wonderful to live in a world of just pure black and white, either/or. You either ARE something or you aren't.
Shame that the world I live in is more shades of grey than anything else.
Why's it gotto be black and white, huh? What are you, some kind of casual racist?
or he's a wiener dog, typing on the internet.
Roses are grey, violets are grey, I'm a dog.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I used to work as a physics teacher in Hackney, and my head technician was a Jamaican fella called Lincoln. Very good friend of mine.
One day, Lincoln offers me a cup of tea. I say, "no thanks."
A very short time later, probably less than thirty seconds, Liz (as English as it gets) walks in and also offers me a cup of tea. This time, having changed my mind, I say, "yes"
Lincoln, in his best, most exaggerated, OTT Jamaican accent says, "Wassa matta, mon, you no wanna drink tea from da black man?"
I reply, in my best fake-posh accent, "Lincoln, you know very well that you are a field slave, not a kitchen slave, and you don't make the tea."
Lincoln, Liz and myself all collapse in gales of laughter.
I'm assuming that at least half the people in this thread will now accuse me of racism. The fact is, Lincoln initiated the joke, I escalated it, and he found it funny. I would never have made that joke had a stranger even been present, let alone made that joke to a stranger. Lincoln makes jokes about the fact that me liking jerk chicken and curry goat must mean I am a black man inside. I make jokes about the fact that must mean I also have a large penis. Lincoln says that is untrue, but that he himself does, as a black man, have a massive penis.
In other news, one of my best friends is Natasha. She is half-Jamaican and worked with Lincoln and I. Often, with three people in the room, we had 50% white people and 50% black people. It was a toss-up which one of us got the piss taken. Sometimes me, for being white, sometimes Lincoln, for being black, and sometimes Natasha, for being neither.
Natasha also has a good friend who is Jewish. She regularly takes the piss out of big Jewish nose. He then takes the piss out of her big black nose. If I am present, they then take the piss out of my big nose and point out that I do not even have the excuse of being black or Jewish, so my big nose is actually worse.
One of mine and Natasha's friends, Monique, was born in Korea but adopted as a baby by Australian parents. She identifies 100% as Aussie, speaks no Korean, has never been there. We've had one adult, grown-up discussion about her background, but she said, very clearly, she doesn't like to talk about it, so we never do, and never refer to her birth ethnicity, only her Aussie-ness, which we happily rip the piss out of mercilessly. She doesn't like to talk about her Korean side, so we don't. She fakes outrage at us taking the piss out of her Aussie-ness, but joins in the banter and gives us good as she gets, all with a smile on her face. (In fact, writing this I realise that maybe taking the piss out of her Aussie-ness actually makes her feel more Aussie, which she wants...)
Anyway, please proceed to detail all of the different ways in which I am racist.
I'll start;
1) I felt the need to point out I worked in Hackney at the start of a thread about racism.
That post has a lot of racism in it. No doubt.
So am I a racist?
Though guards may sleep and ships may lay at anchor, our foes know full well that big guns never tire.
I used to work as a physics teacher in Hackney, and my head technician was a Jamaican fella called Lincoln. Very good friend of mine.
One day, Lincoln offers me a cup of tea. I say, "no thanks."
A very short time later, probably less than thirty seconds, Liz (as English as it gets) walks in and also offers me a cup of tea. This time, having changed my mind, I say, "yes"
Lincoln, in his best, most exaggerated, OTT Jamaican accent says, "Wassa matta, mon, you no wanna drink tea from da black man?"
I reply, in my best fake-posh accent, "Lincoln, you know very well that you are a field slave, not a kitchen slave, and you don't make the tea."
Lincoln, Liz and myself all collapse in gales of laughter.
I'm assuming that at least half the people in this thread will now accuse me of racism. The fact is, Lincoln initiated the joke, I escalated it, and he found it funny. I would never have made that joke had a stranger even been present, let alone made that joke to a stranger. Lincoln makes jokes about the fact that me liking jerk chicken and curry goat must mean I am a black man inside. I make jokes about the fact that must mean I also have a large penis. Lincoln says that is untrue, but that he himself does, as a black man, have a massive penis.
In other news, one of my best friends is Natasha. She is half-Jamaican and worked with Lincoln and I. Often, with three people in the room, we had 50% white people and 50% black people. It was a toss-up which one of us got the piss taken. Sometimes me, for being white, sometimes Lincoln, for being black, and sometimes Natasha, for being neither.
Natasha also has a good friend who is Jewish. She regularly takes the piss out of big Jewish nose. He then takes the piss out of her big black nose. If I am present, they then take the piss out of my big nose and point out that I do not even have the excuse of being black or Jewish, so my big nose is actually worse.
One of mine and Natasha's friends, Monique, was born in Korea but adopted as a baby by Australian parents. She identifies 100% as Aussie, speaks no Korean, has never been there. We've had one adult, grown-up discussion about her background, but she said, very clearly, she doesn't like to talk about it, so we never do, and never refer to her birth ethnicity, only her Aussie-ness, which we happily rip the piss out of mercilessly. She doesn't like to talk about her Korean side, so we don't. She fakes outrage at us taking the piss out of her Aussie-ness, but joins in the banter and gives us good as she gets, all with a smile on her face. (In fact, writing this I realise that maybe taking the piss out of her Aussie-ness actually makes her feel more Aussie, which she wants...)
Anyway, please proceed to detail all of the different ways in which I am racist.
I'll start;
1) I felt the need to point out I worked in Hackney at the start of a thread about racism.
You Brits seem very focusing on pissing.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I used to work as a physics teacher in Hackney, and my head technician was a Jamaican fella called Lincoln. Very good friend of mine.
One day, Lincoln offers me a cup of tea. I say, "no thanks."
A very short time later, probably less than thirty seconds, Liz (as English as it gets) walks in and also offers me a cup of tea. This time, having changed my mind, I say, "yes"
Lincoln, in his best, most exaggerated, OTT Jamaican accent says, "Wassa matta, mon, you no wanna drink tea from da black man?"
I reply, in my best fake-posh accent, "Lincoln, you know very well that you are a field slave, not a kitchen slave, and you don't make the tea."
Lincoln, Liz and myself all collapse in gales of laughter.
I'm assuming that at least half the people in this thread will now accuse me of racism. The fact is, Lincoln initiated the joke, I escalated it, and he found it funny. I would never have made that joke had a stranger even been present, let alone made that joke to a stranger. Lincoln makes jokes about the fact that me liking jerk chicken and curry goat must mean I am a black man inside. I make jokes about the fact that must mean I also have a large penis. Lincoln says that is untrue, but that he himself does, as a black man, have a massive penis.
In other news, one of my best friends is Natasha. She is half-Jamaican and worked with Lincoln and I. Often, with three people in the room, we had 50% white people and 50% black people. It was a toss-up which one of us got the piss taken. Sometimes me, for being white, sometimes Lincoln, for being black, and sometimes Natasha, for being neither.
Natasha also has a good friend who is Jewish. She regularly takes the piss out of big Jewish nose. He then takes the piss out of her big black nose. If I am present, they then take the piss out of my big nose and point out that I do not even have the excuse of being black or Jewish, so my big nose is actually worse.
One of mine and Natasha's friends, Monique, was born in Korea but adopted as a baby by Australian parents. She identifies 100% as Aussie, speaks no Korean, has never been there. We've had one adult, grown-up discussion about her background, but she said, very clearly, she doesn't like to talk about it, so we never do, and never refer to her birth ethnicity, only her Aussie-ness, which we happily rip the piss out of mercilessly. She doesn't like to talk about her Korean side, so we don't. She fakes outrage at us taking the piss out of her Aussie-ness, but joins in the banter and gives us good as she gets, all with a smile on her face. (In fact, writing this I realise that maybe taking the piss out of her Aussie-ness actually makes her feel more Aussie, which she wants...)
Anyway, please proceed to detail all of the different ways in which I am racist.
I'll start;
1) I felt the need to point out I worked in Hackney at the start of a thread about racism.
Radiation, I have to say, I find your attitude offensive. Your attitude, and others like it are the reason I posted in this thread. And after pontificating throughout this thread, when someone gives some real examples, you then won't actually either stick your neck out to say something is racist, or wind it back in and admit that racist jokes/comments between friends does not make someone a racist.
I just don't get how any of you feel you have the right to make your judgements on people you have never met, having conversations with people you have never met, then go out of your way to avoid admitting that context matters.
Let me ask this then. Was it racist when Lincoln joked that I did not want tea because he was black? Or was he only jokingly implying that I am a racist? And is that okay? And did it become racist when I responded to his joke by escalating it further?
Seriously, reference to race is not racism. Even by some of the broader definitions given from the dictionaries up there, how are the jokes racism if Lincoln, Tash and Monique do not take offense? Or would you suppose you can speak on their behalf and somehow think that they are secretly offended and are hiding it from me? And why would Monique pretend to be fine about the Aussie jokes whilst being obviously sensitive to Korean references, even in a non-joking, we-are-just-interested way? Or do you seriously believe that us telling each other we have big noses mean we think the other person is truly inferior?
I wonder, Radiation, have you been subject to racism yourself? In my read of this thread, I don't remember seeing you say so, but are your attitudes based on personal experience, or a desire to stand up for the oppressed?
For the sake of openness, I'll say that I am a white middle-class male. The only racism I have experienced is on a fairly petty scale when I lived in Japan, and really never affected me much. A few snide comments, some old lady who refused to understand my excellent Japanese and kept telling me she did not speak English and a few bouncers who would not let me in bars/nightclubs in cities where there were American marines.
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