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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

If you act like a racist, people will treat you like a racist. That includes racist jokes.

It doesn't matter what definition you quite. It doesn't matter what your feelings are. It doesn't matter if you are buddy buddy with lots of minorities.

Act like a racist, people will treat you like a racist.

Right, so apparently racism boils down to "making a joke". Its good we've established just how broad and all encompassing your definition of racism is.

I on the other hand think that actual racists do and say things that are a hell of a lot worse than trivial innocuous jokes.

Your just seeing that one aspect of it. Your not included the additional aspect of the situation.

We all know your not racist but will you tell a racist joke on Dakkadakka not related to game content?

 Jihadin wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

If you act like a racist, people will treat you like a racist. That includes racist jokes.

It doesn't matter what definition you quite. It doesn't matter what your feelings are. It doesn't matter if you are buddy buddy with lots of minorities.

Act like a racist, people will treat you like a racist.

Right, so apparently racism boils down to "making a joke". Its good we've established just how broad and all encompassing your definition of racism is.

I on the other hand think that actual racists do and say things that are a hell of a lot worse than trivial innocuous jokes.

Your just seeing that one aspect of it. Your not included the additional aspect of the situation.

We all know your not racist but will you tell a racist joke on Dakkadakka not related to game content?

I wouldn't tell a joke that I considered to be racist period, whether on Dakka Dakka or elsewhere. But the thing is, you consider certain jokes to be racist which I do not. We're all arguing past each other, using different definitions and criteria.

Joking that "Black people are apes" - would be racist, because it carries the implication of inferiority.

Joking about an aspect of a race or ethnicity that is humourous to others, such as a difficult to understand accent or a wordplay, would not be racist if it does not carry the implication of inferiority.


It is no more racist for a British comedian to do a funny impression of an Indian accent than it is for an Indian to do a funny impression of the Queen's English.

I have quoted a few times in OT I am not racist but towards one type of group. Yet I maintain two type of "jokes" for the longest running time of posting in this forum in plain view.

One does not have to consider another race/or ethnicity to be considered Racist.



Edit

Correction.
I removed one line from my sig

not to mention I created a Waffen SS units from my Tau I had posted in my Sig

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

If you act like a racist, people will treat you like a racist. That includes racist jokes.

It doesn't matter what definition you quite. It doesn't matter what your feelings are. It doesn't matter if you are buddy buddy with lots of minorities.

Act like a racist, people will treat you like a racist.

Right, so apparently racism boils down to "making a joke". Its good we've established just how broad and all encompassing your definition of racism is.

Aren't you the guy with the dictionary fetish? Why you no like dictionary definitions now?

I on the other hand think that actual racists do and say things that are a hell of a lot worse than trivial innocuous jokes.

Racist actions encompass a very wide scope of things, from giving someone the stinkeye to jokes to genocide. Just because somebody does a worse racist thing doesn't mean that the lesser thing can't be percieved as racist as well.




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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Joking about an aspect of a race or ethnicity that is humourous to others, such as a difficult to understand accent or a wordplay, would not be racist if it does not carry the implication of inferiority.

It would still be racist if it carries the implication of intolerance, the implication of poor treatment, or the implication of prejudice.

 Jihadin wrote:
I have quoted a few times in OT I am not racist but towards one type of group. Yet I maintain two type of "jokes" for the longest running time of posting in this forum in plain view.

One does not have to consider another race/or ethnicity to be considered Racist.



Edit

Correction.
I removed one line from my sig

not to mention I created a Waffen SS units from my Tau I had posted in my Sig

Speaking of your sig...

Proud Member of the "Pork Eating Crusade"

Some people would call that racist.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
I have quoted a few times in OT I am not racist but towards one type of group. Yet I maintain two type of "jokes" for the longest running time of posting in this forum in plain view.

One does not have to consider another race/or ethnicity to be considered Racist.



Edit

Correction.
I removed one line from my sig

not to mention I created a Waffen SS units from my Tau I had posted in my Sig

Speaking of your sig...

Proud Member of the "Pork Eating Crusade"

Some people will call that racist.

Yet its label we applied to ourselves (military) going into the "Sand Box"

The other was
"CEO of the 72 Virgin Dating Service"

Both are geared towards one specific group. No one has called me out on it.
Since I brought attention to myself and those, well one line I have left in my Sig I need to find a replacement for it.

I know where you are coming from, along with Ahtman, it still does not justify among my "peers" to have that line

Don't change your sig on my account. I loved both those lines and neither are racist.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Don't change your sig on my account. I loved both those lines and neither are racist.

That's because "Muslim" isn't a race.

 Jihadin wrote:

Was the audience though.

Edit

So MASH falls into a racist column in today's "perception"

Well I'm the audience and I understood what was going on. If you judge everything only by the least capable to understand things then you will be in a world of trouble in general.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Don't change your sig on my account. I loved both those lines and neither are racist.

That's because "Muslim" isn't a race.

True. But that doesn't stop people making the accusation.

Of most the people ive met from around the world Americans seem to view race alot differently than everyone else

I can't quite put my finger on it but it has always just seemed to me that Americans take it alot more seriously. It seem's to be less of an issue everywhere else

Also with the non-stop influence of american culture into our societies i see that it's taking root here as well, people talking alot more about race and what they consider racism where as before it just wasn't that much of an issue at all

The more people obsess over it the bigger the issue becomes

race isn't really anything significant culture is the bigger one it's like if you have an asian mate born in oz and meet someone from the same country who was born overseas and there both completely different people. race really isn't a factor in anything unless you make it

which Americans really like to do unfortunately that is make a big fething issue out of it.

Where not becoming more racist or even identifying more racism, where just being Americanized

Something ive noticed in school as well, race wasn't even talked about or an issue with anyone now well it's all of a sudden a big issue.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Don't change your sig on my account. I loved both those lines and neither are racist.

That's because "Muslim" isn't a race.

True. But that doesn't stop people making the accusation.

It doesn't help that there are folks using "Muslim" and "Arab" interchangeably.

Casual racism? I thought you were a racist if you thought blacks should go back to Africa or something. Man, how the times change.

 mitch_rifle wrote:
which Americans really like to do unfortunately that is make a big fething issue out of it.

It is still a pretty big deal to those that live under it's influence and those that are aware of it. It is certainly better than it was, and will continue to get better but we can't act as if everything is ok and there is nothing to talk about. Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it go away anymore than pretending a house is on fire puts the fire out.


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 TheCustomLime wrote:
Casual racism? I thought you were a racist if you thought blacks should go back to Africa or something. Man, how the times change.

Racism has never been that simple.

True. Racism is often a mix of negative stereotypes and blatant feelings of racial superiority. Popular culture is excellent at perpetuating these stereotypes whether they be in jest or not.

 mitch_rifle wrote:
Of most the people ive met from around the world Americans seem to view race alot differently than everyone else

I can't quite put my finger on it but it has always just seemed to me that Americans take it alot more seriously. It seem's to be less of an issue everywhere else

Also with the non-stop influence of american culture into our societies i see that it's taking root here as well, people talking alot more about race and what they consider racism where as before it just wasn't that much of an issue at all

The more people obsess over it the bigger the issue becomes

race isn't really anything significant culture is the bigger one it's like if you have an asian mate born in oz and meet someone from the same country who was born overseas and there both completely different people. race really isn't a factor in anything unless you make it

which Americans really like to do unfortunately that is make a big fething issue out of it.

Where not becoming more racist or even identifying more racism, where just being Americanized

Something ive noticed in school as well, race wasn't even talked about or an issue with anyone now well it's all of a sudden a big issue.

Unfortunately, race is still a huge issue in America, because racism is so prevalent. Also, I think it is a much bigger here due in large part to the variety of cultures. Almost every race has immigrated to America in some way, so I think that's why its such a large issue. Compare it to places like England, where their main immigrants are of Arab descent.


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To the OT, I don't think Casual Racism exists. I think there is Prejudice and Racism, prejudice obviously being that you can feel equal with other races, but always see them as having certain characteristics.For example, someone could be completely fine with black people, but if they always assume they are great at sports, said person is prejudice. Compare this with someone who thinks black people are stupid and inherently inferior, that is racism.

There is the old saying, "much truth is said in jest." I think people can be kind-hearted and well meaning while still being inherently prejudiced. I know most people carry some inherent prejudice, my dad is extremely prejudiced and I've grown up around, carrying it with me.

I think you can make the conscious decision to not be racist or prejudice, but you have to have the inherent knowledge of your thoughts and behaviors.

In short, racism is often bred out of hate and fear. Do you fear or hate being around people of other ethnicities? If not, you're probably not racist. However, do you laugh at jokes because they're funny like a caricature or because you think people of said ethnicity actually act like that? If you think said race actually acts like that, you're probably prejudiced.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

Was the audience though.

Edit

So MASH falls into a racist column in today's "perception"

Well I'm the audience and I understood what was going on. If you judge everything only by the least capable to understand things then you will be in a world of trouble in general.

Your totally missed what I trying to get you to understand. I recommend attending a Equal Opportunity Course and if possible a Equal Opportunity Advance course. I will though bow to your Subject Matter Expertise in this matter since I appear to in a "world of trouble" since I have no experience as a Comapny EO and a BDE EOA

I think everyone needs to remember the parable of the black and white cookie.

What about the black and white Space Marine?

 Jihadin wrote:
Your totally missed what I trying to get you to understand.

Then you are not explaining yourself very well.

 Jihadin wrote:
I recommend attending a Equal Opportunity Course and if possible a Equal Opportunity Advance course.

So because you were unclear I now should attend some classes. Doesn't seem quite right.

 Jihadin wrote:
I will though bow to your Subject Matter Expertise in this matter since I appear to in a "world of trouble" since I have no experience as a Comapny EO and a BDE EOA

I meant 'you' in a general sense not you specifically, so it is my fault on being unclear on that. It still stands that when a person tries to tailor everything to the least capable there are bound to be problems. Some things are simple, some are not.

 d-usa wrote:
What about the black and white Space Marine?

Do you mean the black and white Space Marine on the black and white bike?

 easysauce wrote:
I think everyone needs to remember the parable of the black and white cookie.

We must look to the cookie.

And let's not forget that Jerry felt pretty sick later on after eating that cookie.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And let's not forget that Jerry felt pretty sick later on after eating that cookie.

You're ruining the ending!

 mitch_rifle wrote:
Of most the people ive met from around the world Americans seem to view race alot differently than everyone else

I can't quite put my finger on it but it has always just seemed to me that Americans take it alot more seriously. It seem's to be less of an issue everywhere else

I dunno, I think at least a few other countries have some race-based issues in their recent past as well.

I thought casual racism went along the lines of:
'Hey I like you but the rest of you (insert race/colour/creed here) are all (*insert sterotype/negative comment/foul language).

Or

'I'm not racist but......'.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
I thought casual racism went along the lines of:
'Hey I like you but the rest of you (insert race/colour/creed here) are all (*insert sterotype/negative comment/foul language).

No, that would be full on racism.

Or 'I'm not racist but......'.

Don't get me started on this

At least we now have racism insurance:

I don't see what's hard to understand about how if you do things that could be perceived as racist, people might think you're racist.

Also I think Ahtman said something earlier about when and where you do these things. I say some pretty unpleasant things with friends in private, but I generally try not to make the really poor taste jokes in public.

*Also I'm probably racist

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Dictionaries. USE THEM.

1The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races:

Oh, the irony. The clause in massive font is not a prerequisite for the first part of the sentence to be true, it's just an example of the most typical one. Per your own definition, one can be racist without believing that a race is inferior to another.

Dictionaries, use them.