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Okay then. The state has a right to defend itself. Hezbollah were part of the Lebanese state and thus have right to defend the Lebanese state as part of the government.

Being a part of a government does not mean you are in charge of said government. Please revisit your civics classes.
When did Israel last attack Lebanon (not Hezzbullah-Lebanon)? When did Hezzbullah last attack Israel. I think you'll see a gross time differential.

Hezbollah have been part of the Lebanese government since 2005.

Again, thats doesn't mean they are in charge. The Texas Rangers are part of the Texas and therafter US government. That does not mean the Texas Rangers get to make policy and launch rocket attacks on Mexico. The arguments asinine actually.

I think in retrospect you can say the Oslo accords were a terrible idea

I am absolutely against the state of Israel. We should annex Canada first before we permit Israel to join as a state to the nation of Greater Texas.

 Ustrello wrote:

Implying Dome of the Rock is actually holy and wasn't a political ploy by the Umayyad caliphate to subvert the monopoly Ibn al-Zubayr had on pilgrimage because of the Ka'ba

Everything "holy" or related to religion is, by definition, a political ploy.


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I am absolutely against the state of Israel. We should annex Canada first before we permit Israel to join as a state to the nation of Greater Texas.

Fk the syrup chugging maple leaf loving oppressors of the North!

Not totally against the existence of Israel, but I must admit that I'm currently thinking they're kinda responsible for what is happening.
Still hope Israelis and Palestinians will finally get along, tho.

 LethalShade wrote:
Not totally against the existence of Israel, but I must admit that I'm currently thinking they're kinda responsible for what is happening.

I'd love to hear how it is the fault of a 72 year old woman waiting at a bus stop that hate ridden teenager decided to pull out a knife and stab her to death.

Tell me more please.

Sigh. The Israeli government. Better spelled like that ?

Your post was fine, he was just attacking a strawman, dipped in emotional appeal.

This is the last warning for this thread.


And a reminder that quoting and editing other users posts in some attempt to prove a point is not something we encourage or want.

Is someone editing posts for a nonfunny purpose?

the syrup chugging maple leaf loving oppressors of the North!

I fear all you have done is awaken a sleeping giant, and fill him terrible resolve....

The post our illustrious redness refers to has been deleted.

Thanks. That explains it more gooder.

 LethalShade wrote:
Sigh. The Israeli government. Better spelled like that ?

Its the Israeli government's fault that teenagers are choosing to stab Jews? Explain.

I'd say that murdering someone in the street, due to their ethnicity, is literally as racist as you can get.

Palestinians can't be racist or violent, hasn't the world told you that?

 CptJake wrote:

 Imposter101 wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Guess you are conveniently forgetting how Iran arms hezbollah and formerly hamas

Hezbollah have a sovereign right to defend themselves from Israel. As do Hamas. Both were elected, and one even drove out the occupying Israelis.

So, Hez are now a nation state with sovereign rights?

Your interpretation/understanding of the situation just gets better and better.

Was the USA s sovereign state when the colonists began their campaign against Britain?

Well, when you treat people like second class citizens while rejecting all form of talk with said people, you can expect them to be pissed off.
Sure, ISIS probably have some influence in what's going on there. Not going to deny it. But Palestinians are pissed off for a reason.
But, sure, stabbing innocent civilians in the street will not help at all and things will get worse for both sides.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Imposter101 wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Guess you are conveniently forgetting how Iran arms hezbollah and formerly hamas

Hezbollah have a sovereign right to defend themselves from Israel. As do Hamas. Both were elected, and one even drove out the occupying Israelis.

So, Hez are now a nation state with sovereign rights?

Your interpretation/understanding of the situation just gets better and better.

Was the USA s sovereign state when the colonists began their campaign against Britain?

Yes because a rebellion in another countries territory = a terrorist political party of a country


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 LethalShade wrote:
Well, when you treat people like second class citizens while rejecting all form of talk with said people, you can expect them to be pissed off.
Sure, ISIS probably have some influence in what's going on there. Not going to deny it. But Palestinians are pissed off for a reason.
But, sure, stabbing innocent civilians in the street will not help at all and things will get worse for both sides.

Would you be trustful of people who have tried to destroy your country more than once?

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 LethalShade wrote:
Well, when you treat people like second class citizens while rejecting all form of talk with said people, you can expect them to be pissed off.
Sure, ISIS probably have some influence in what's going on there. Not going to deny it. But Palestinians are pissed off for a reason.
But, sure, stabbing innocent civilians in the street will not help at all and things will get worse for both sides.

Would you be trustful of people who have tried to destroy your country more than once?

The French seem to get along with their German neighbours......

Until a line is drawn there can be no agreements and no end to violence.

 Ustrello wrote:

Would you be trustful of people who have tried to destroy your country more than once?

Would I ? Probably not. But Israel need to do the first step, and Palestinians need to be smart. Hell, both sides need to be smart, and currently they're not.

The French seem to get along with their German neighbours......

Actually its more that the French haven't been attacked by their German neighbors in a few years. Something about a cold war or something.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

The French seem to get along with their German neighbours......

Well, we get along with you too

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Well, when you treat people like second class citizens while rejecting all form of talk with said people, you can expect them to be pissed off.
Sure, ISIS probably have some influence in what's going on there. Not going to deny it. But Palestinians are pissed off for a reason.
But, sure, stabbing innocent civilians in the street will not help at all and things will get worse for both sides.

Would you be trustful of people who have tried to destroy your country more than once?

The French seem to get along with their German neighbours......

Until a line is drawn there can be no agreements and no end to violence.

Sure, but did the Kaiser or Hitler want to exterminate all of the french and possibly destroy all of their culture?

 LethalShade wrote:
Well, when you treat people like second class citizens while rejecting all form of talk with said people, you can expect them to be pissed off.
Sure, ISIS probably have some influence in what's going on there. Not going to deny it. But Palestinians are pissed off for a reason.
But, sure, stabbing innocent civilians in the street will not help at all and things will get worse for both sides.

I'm astounded at the rationalization of targeted ethnic killings of Jews while they go about their daily routines. Just look at the press releases from Hamas lionizing the stabbers as "heroes".....or did you not see the video reenactment they released of the bus slayings? Now a mob of youths burned a Jewish religious site in Nablus?

Thats functionally identical to the KKK burning crosses on black people's lawns, and lynching folks only a LOT worse.

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
I'm astounded at the rationalization of targeted ethnic killings of Jews

How do you rationalize the killing and stealing of land from Palestinians? Or is this just a one way street where Israel is fetishized and Palestinians are demonized? Both need to get their gak together; both have blood on their hands.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
I'm astounded at the rationalization of targeted ethnic killings of Jews

How do you rationalize the killing and stealing of land from Palestinians? Or is this just a one way street where Israel is fetishized and Palestinians are demonized? Both need to get their gak together; both have blood on their hands.

One side declared war on another, one side lost and lost territory because of it. Pretty simple

 Ahtman wrote:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
I'm astounded at the rationalization of targeted ethnic killings of Jews

How do you rationalize the killing and stealing of land from Palestinians? Or is this just a one way street where Israel is fetishized and Palestinians are demonized? Both need to get their gak together; both have blood on their hands.

You're not addressing my points, you are conflating your own ideological values with "on the ground" reality.

If a cohesive group of individuals were running around in your city stabbing senior citizens and ramming cars into bus stops what would you do?



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 Ahtman wrote:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
I'm astounded at the rationalization of targeted ethnic killings of Jews

How do you rationalize the killing and stealing of land from Palestinians? Or is this just a one way street where Israel is fetishized and Palestinians are demonized? Both need to get their gak together; both have blood on their hands.

One side declared war on another, one side lost and lost territory because of it. Pretty simple

Exactly.

Thats the way the world works, whether people like it or not.

 Ustrello wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
I'm astounded at the rationalization of targeted ethnic killings of Jews

How do you rationalize the killing and stealing of land from Palestinians? Or is this just a one way street where Israel is fetishized and Palestinians are demonized? Both need to get their gak together; both have blood on their hands.

One side declared war on another, one side lost and lost territory because of it. Pretty simple

One side declared war on another with extermination in mind, then played victim after it lost is more like it

 Peter Wiggin wrote:

 LethalShade wrote:
Well, when you treat people like second class citizens while rejecting all form of talk with said people, you can expect them to be pissed off.
Sure, ISIS probably have some influence in what's going on there. Not going to deny it. But Palestinians are pissed off for a reason.
But, sure, stabbing innocent civilians in the street will not help at all and things will get worse for both sides.

I'm astounded at the rationalization of targeted ethnic killings of Jews while they go about their daily routines. Just look at the press releases from Hamas lionizing the stabbers as "heroes".....or did you not see the video reenactment they released of the bus slayings? Now a mob of youths burned a Jewish religious site in Nablus?

Thats functionally identical to the KKK burning crosses on black people's lawns, and lynching folks only a LOT worse.

Yes, it's insane and Hamas' actions are outrageous, however the violence also not a one-way street. Israeli settler attacks on Palestinians are not at all uncommon, often just as unprovoked, and attacks on economic resources (such olive harvests) by settlers are almost a weekly occurrence.

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 Ustrello wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
I'm astounded at the rationalization of targeted ethnic killings of Jews

How do you rationalize the killing and stealing of land from Palestinians? Or is this just a one way street where Israel is fetishized and Palestinians are demonized? Both need to get their gak together; both have blood on their hands.

One side declared war on another, one side lost and lost territory because of it. Pretty simple

One side declared war on another with extermination in mind, then played victim after it lost is more like it

Let's not forget the actions & attitudes of groups like Lehi, Irgun, etc either here in that original conflict, that actively engaged in terrorist bombings, hangings, massacres, etc of their own, groups that, much like Hezbhollah, later formed the core of a national military and had members later go on to attain very high political standing.

 Peter Wiggin wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
I'm astounded at the rationalization of targeted ethnic killings of Jews

How do you rationalize the killing and stealing of land from Palestinians? Or is this just a one way street where Israel is fetishized and Palestinians are demonized? Both need to get their gak together; both have blood on their hands.

You're not addressing my points, you are conflating your own ideological values with "on the ground" reality.

If a cohesive group of individuals were running around in your city stabbing senior citizens and ramming cars into bus stops what would you do?

I'd throw ebola at them.


More seriously, why are you acting like the stabbings are occurring in a vacuum? You seem to be ignoring 60 years of historical context in your drive to make the Palestinians look like mindless, stab-crazy monsters.

Sure, stabbing civilians is ugly, ugly business. I don't think anyone here is condoning the stabbings, but to just focus on the stabbings and ignore everything that has occurred between the Palestinians and the Israelis is disingenuous at best. At best.

Your question could be flipped around and in place of stabbings and car attacks you could list all of the atrocities inflicted on the Palestinians by Israelis and the question would be just as obtuse.

The issue is that no one is clean there. Everyone has blood on their hands. For every stabbing there is a house bulldozed, or collateral damage from shelling. For every bus attack there is an air strike.

Even VICE can't make this NOT look like what it is....

Marches calling for the deaths of Jews in the streets. Or do you not understand the meaning of the word "intifada"?

https://news.vice.com/video/day-of-rage-intifada-30-dispatch-3