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From Ynet

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4710508,00.html

Three murdered, more than 20 wounded in 5 attacks
Over a dozen wounded in two simultaneous attacks in Jerusalem's East Talpiot and Geula neighborhoods; in two Ra'anana attacks: 1 seriously hurt, 3 moderately and 1 lightly; fifth stabbing takes place near IKEA in northern city of Kiryat Ata.

I used to live in Kiryat Ata...didn't know they even had a mall. These have been happening all over Israel for about a week now, and all attacks follow the same pattern pretty much. Arab terrorist sometimes initiates by running as many people over as possible with a car, then commences to stab people until he's shot.

Thus far there's been no significant Israeli response, which is probably why there's been zero US media coverage about this.

Ya
I saw the video of the one who drove into the bus stop and hopped out swinging away with a butcher knife. Then some Israeli pulled a side arm out and engage the attacker. Thinking he opted out the guy with the butcher knife

Overheard quite a few kids talking about this on campus today.

My personal opinion? Big ups to the guy that shot that one dude after he'd stabbed a bunch of people. Big ups to the crowd that hospitalized the other one.

This is the so-called 'Lone Wolf' scenario. I don't think there is very much that can be done to anticipate and prevent this kind of attack.

It's impossible to mass screen users of public and private transport. It's impossible to regulate knives when every household needs several of them for normal cooking purposes. It's impossible to detect a conspiracy that consists of one guy deciding to make this kind of attack by himself.

You can only wait for the attack to happen, then react as quickly and effectively as possible.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
From Ynet

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4710508,00.html

Three murdered, more than 20 wounded in 5 attacks
Over a dozen wounded in two simultaneous attacks in Jerusalem's East Talpiot and Geula neighborhoods; in two Ra'anana attacks: 1 seriously hurt, 3 moderately and 1 lightly; fifth stabbing takes place near IKEA in northern city of Kiryat Ata.

I used to live in Kiryat Ata...didn't know they even had a mall. These have been happening all over Israel for about a week now, and all attacks follow the same pattern pretty much. Arab terrorist sometimes initiates by running as many people over as possible with a car, then commences to stab people until he's shot.

Thus far there's been no significant Israeli response, which is probably why there's been zero US media coverage about this.

AJ is covering but not from the perspective you would like.

Clearly Jerusalem needs some common sense knife control legislation.

Cracked me up.

Israel stabbing: Israeli man stabs fellow Israeli Jew after 'mistaking him for Arab'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/a6692536.html

Horrible attacks.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Cracked me up.

Israel stabbing: Israeli man stabs fellow Israeli Jew after 'mistaking him for Arab'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/a6692536.html

Stabbings are hilarious!

Dakka OT: Always classy.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Cracked me up.

Israel stabbing: Israeli man stabs fellow Israeli Jew after 'mistaking him for Arab'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/a6692536.html

Stabbings are hilarious!

Dakka OT: Always classy.

My thoughts exactly

 Kilkrazy wrote:
This is the so-called 'Lone Wolf' scenario. I don't think there is very much that can be done to anticipate and prevent this kind of attack.

It's impossible to mass screen users of public and private transport. It's impossible to regulate knives when every household needs several of them for normal cooking purposes. It's impossible to detect a conspiracy that consists of one guy deciding to make this kind of attack by himself.

You can only wait for the attack to happen, then react as quickly and effectively as possible.

That's just fatalism talk. Be proactive and ban all knife ownership for citizens, obviously.

Did I answer that right, KK?

What can Israel do?

There are no rocket or mortar positions to attack .

No mobs throwing stones with which to counter with CS gas, water cannons or small arms.

No outside agency is taking credit.

I wonder if the number of such attacks will increase. If so what can the state do?

I certainly have no idea.

Provide more guns to their citizens?

They are talking about sealing in the arab parts of Jerusalem, but you know how well that will go over with the world.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
What can Israel do?

There are no rocket or mortar positions to attack .

No mobs throwing stones with which to counter with CS gas, water cannons or small arms.

No outside agency is taking credit.

I wonder if the number of such attacks will increase. If so what can the state do?

Maybe start treating Palestinians as people?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Maybe start treating Palestinians as people?

And so it begins....

But trying to avoid the normal Israel/Palestine argument In regards to what they can do I'm not seeing a lot that can be done except to deal with it. If it's coordinated (which I feel like it has to be) they'll find the links at some point and if it's not then you just have to treat like we do random shootings by crazies and get on with your life.

Define what that would entail.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Mr. Burning wrote:
What can Israel do?

There are no rocket or mortar positions to attack .

No mobs throwing stones with which to counter with CS gas, water cannons or small arms.

No outside agency is taking credit.

I wonder if the number of such attacks will increase. If so what can the state do?

Maybe start treating Palestinians as people?

Since you're clearly rational and open to discussion I'd love to hear your ideas on how exactly Israel should treat them "as people."

Israeli doctors are even providing medical care to these terrorists. That alone speaks volumes.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Since you're clearly rational and open to discussion I'd love to hear your ideas on how exactly Israel should treat them "as people."

Israeli doctors are even providing medical care to these terrorists. That alone speaks volumes.

I don't even know why I'm bothering since you're clearly one of those people who think that good end evil is defined by allegiances, not actions, but for starters:

Stop treating them as second class citizens (on both Israeli and Palestinian land)
Stop occupying their land
Stop using them as slave labour
Stop executing them without trial
Stop shooting at them completely at random
Stop retaliating with massively uneven force

In general, stop the policy of subjugation and extermination of an entire people (we call this apartheid and genocide in civilized lands) and stop being outraged at the meager resistance the victims can mount.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Since you're clearly rational and open to discussion I'd love to hear your ideas on how exactly Israel should treat them "as people."

Israeli doctors are even providing medical care to these terrorists. That alone speaks volumes.

I don't even know why I'm bothering since you're clearly one of those people who think that good end evil is defined by allegiances, not actions, but for starters:

Stop treating them as second class citizens (on both Israeli and Palestinian land)
Stop occupying their land
Stop using them as slave labour
Stop executing them without trial
Stop shooting at them completely at random
Stop retaliating with massively uneven force

In general, stop the policy of subjugation and extermination of an entire people (we call this apartheid and genocide in civilized lands) and stop being outraged at the meager resistance the victims can mount.

Implying that a group which has been known for suicide bombings against civilian targets is "meager resistance"

Stop retaliating with massively uneven force

You can argue the other points you made, but this doesn't even reach the coherent test.

1) What do you think the purpose of retaliation is?
2) If Israel were really retaliating, there would be no Palestinians left alive.

To anyone who has been over there, could Israel split Jerusalem with a wall, one side to Israel, one side to Palestine?

Alternatively, could Israel move the Wailing Wall itself, stone by stone, to another location?

Forgive my ignorance here.

The temple is way more holy that the dome of the rock, which was created after muhammad died so how could he have traveled to the furthest north mosque on the night he died.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
What can Israel do?

There are no rocket or mortar positions to attack .

No mobs throwing stones with which to counter with CS gas, water cannons or small arms.

No outside agency is taking credit.

I wonder if the number of such attacks will increase. If so what can the state do?

Does Israel have Capital Punishment? If not, then it should be an automatic life sentence. Punish the crime as severely as the law permits. Deterring future attacks via harsh sentencing is about all they can do, short of abandoning the rule of Law (e.g. commit an attack like this, and your entire family will be made to suffer).

Its also only a matter of time till this sort of thing becomes more commonplace in the west. In fact I'm surprised we haven't already had more Lee Rigbys. This is something that literally takes ZERO planning and preperation. Just grab a bunch of kitchen knives, hop in your car and off you go.

 Ustrello wrote:
The temple is way more holy that the dome of the rock, which was created after muhammad died so how could he have traveled to the furthest north mosque on the night he died.

As a 3rd party individual I'm just going to accept that both are holy places and leave it at that. Can Israel move the Wall?

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
The temple is way more holy that the dome of the rock, which was created after muhammad died so how could he have traveled to the furthest north mosque on the night he died.

As a 3rd party individual I'm just going to accept that both are holy places and leave it at that. Can Israel move the Wall?

Not without provoking a wave of violence and retaliation from Ultra Orthodox Jews.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
The temple is way more holy that the dome of the rock, which was created after muhammad died so how could he have traveled to the furthest north mosque on the night he died.

As a 3rd party individual I'm just going to accept that both are holy places and leave it at that. Can Israel move the Wall?

Not without damaging both the wall AND potentially endangering the mosque. Way too risky...

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Mr. Burning wrote:
What can Israel do?

There are no rocket or mortar positions to attack .

No mobs throwing stones with which to counter with CS gas, water cannons or small arms.

No outside agency is taking credit.

I wonder if the number of such attacks will increase. If so what can the state do?

Does Israel have Capital Punishment? If not, then it should be an automatic life sentence. Punish the crime as severely as the law permits. Deterring future attacks via harsh sentencing is about all they can do, short of abandoning the rule of Law (e.g. commit an attack like this, and your entire family will be made to suffer).

Its also only a matter of time till this sort of thing becomes more commonplace in the west. In fact I'm surprised we haven't already had more Lee Rigbys. This is something that literally takes ZERO planning and preperation. Just grab a bunch of kitchen knives, hop in your car and off you go.

Pretty sure Israel doesn't do capital punishment and Arabs are treated too well in prison to make it a legitimate threat.

It's also impossible to act as though these are truly lone wolf incidents as weeks ago Hamas reps were calling for this specific type of attack.

Imo the problem is Hamas, and if the people elected Hamas then they are accountable for their actions. When the Arabs want peace they will elect a peaceful government. As it is they've shown that they want terrorism.

Eta: I think Israel makes exceptions for Nazis though.

 Frazzled wrote:

Stop retaliating with massively uneven force

You can argue the other points you made, but this doesn't even reach the coherent test.

1) What do you think the purpose of retaliation is?
2) If Israel were really retaliating, there would be no Palestinians left alive.

To anyone who has been over there, could Israel split Jerusalem with a wall, one side to Israel, one side to Palestine?

Alternatively, could Israel move the Wailing Wall itself, stone by stone, to another location?

Forgive my ignorance here.

Jerusalem is a holy city to two religions with good reason, Christianity and Judaism. Islam took the city over and destroyed almost every holy site that wasn't islam. The reason that Palestinians want Jerusalem is because jews have it. If there were enough Muslims in Tel-Aviv they would start claiming it as a holy city as well and attempting to take it over.

I thought Hamas was Gaza. I'm getting confused.

I am just trying to think out the box here. Don't know why, both sides are locked into the cycle of vendetta, with special dripping of religious fervor for that extra zing.

Personally I think a better solution that would cause MASSIVE unrest at first but would eventually lead to calmer heads would be for the removal of all Islamic sites and people from Israel. Force Syria, Lebannon, Egypt, Jordan and other Islamic countries to take in the "Palestinians" and then enforce a strict border policy to protect Israel. At first this would create a lot of backlash and attacks but in the end the removal of the Palestinian problem would probably calm the middle east and not continuously inflame it.

How are you going to force five countries to take Palestinians? That could be difficult.