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Sanguinary guard backpacks or swooping hawk wings might be a good start.

Spidey0804 wrote:I think the Idea is awesome! Never thought of doing something like that keep us updated on the the progress or start a tread in the WIP forums so we can check in on you.

Actually, I started a WIP thread (link in my signature) and have literally just got a digital camera so I could show my progress. I'm a little slow on the technical side of things, but once I figure out how to go [Camera] -> [Computer] ->[Web], I'll be happy to show a few snap shots of my tester model and a couple I had to assemble just to see how they would look... Plus my Orange Orks... Maybe I have a problem with going with the norm after all...

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Okay, So I figured it out quicker then expected! Here's the first viewing of the test model (note: I didn't bother shaving the mold lines, filing off the obvious chaos emblem on his grieves or basing the model, as this was just to make sure that the space marine arms and body would fit together smoothly.



I think that it looks decent, and fits together nicely. a bit of irony though, the Chaos Marauders heads and bodies fit a lot better then the Flagellants that I was initially interested in. the Flagellants can't even hold the bolters two handed, they're a little to thin on the x-axis, so my flagellants are just going to have to be the elderly veterans and Seraphim of my army.

pretre wrote:Sanguinary guard backpacks or swooping hawk wings might be a good start.

I'm actually converting all my Seraphim to take sanguinary guard jump packs. Be aware if you're going to do this conversion you will need a little green stuff, the "slot" to insert the wing tabs is on the body of the sanguinary guard trooper, not the pack itself so it needs a little modification.

I'm also using sanguinary guard packs for seraphim (sans wings, only celestine has those). I'm using rhino-turret-gunner arms and wire to give them control sticks, and then putting the weapons on shoulder mounts on the jetpack.

Up up, and AWAY!

I just feel I can't not give units named after a choir of angels wings, Celestine is getting some BIG wings to make up for it though.

My seraphim are normal seraphim backpacks with the vanes chopped and replaced with the wings from swooping hawks. From back when you could order bits.

There were some like that around here as well, looked cool. Think they used the exarch ones for the superior as well. But I think more or less the first thing that came into the mind of all the SoB players when the sang guard came out was "Seraphim backpacks".

Admittedly though...
Although the pewter exorcist models are a pain to put together, paint, balance on a table without it falling off...
It's an amusingly satisfying feeling to be able to say
"In a world surrounded by plastic hulls, only ONE gets Armour plating"

pretre wrote:I'm not going to replicate te argument here, but suffice to say that some vehemently disagree with the notion that you are freely allowed to remodel a mini to change the PW type.

I find their argument highly illogical...

CT GAMER wrote:

pretre wrote:I'm not going to replicate te argument here, but suffice to say that some vehemently disagree with the notion that you are freely allowed to remodel a mini to change the PW type.

I find their argument highly illogical...

As do I, but that's neither here nor there. So far all the local TOs agree that you can model what you want, so my DCA are sporting a nice mix of power weapons.

Tis the constant battle we must wage. Pewter models are a pain, and as I said before, if they would at lest make our troops plastic, I could manage the rest. But alas, it seems we are doomed to suffer for eternity.

That's pretty melodramatic. We aren't suffering with metal models; we just have metal models. Let's avoid the 'woe is me, long suffering SOB player' stereotype, eh?

Your right.
I just hate dropping lots of money on something that should be plastic.

On the brighter side, I was told that plastic may be coming for us soon.

This makes Vindi-Obsession happy. Anyone know where the rumors come from btw? I just get them second hand.

They came from an allegedly leaked list of production models for post June 2013.

n0t_u wrote:Yep, almost a year on and almost up to priming the thing. Gaps are so fun.

It looks like you haven't put it together correctly, which might explain some of the gaps.

Look at the 'cockpit' on your and compare with the pic from the GW website.



The skull on the side panel should be facing forward with the wing behind, so you've put them on the wrong sides and backwards.

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Oooh, good catch. I hadn't noticed that. It also accounts for the extreme angle on the front panel of the turret.

pretre wrote:That's pretty melodramatic. We aren't suffering with metal models; we just have metal models. Let's avoid the 'woe is me, long suffering SOB player' stereotype, eh?

Am I the only one who prefers the metal models?

You probably are Kalashnikov :p I simply don't bother all too much. I'm gonna update my Eldar army when their update comes and if the plastic sisters rumors solidify by then, I will wait with really getting started on my Sisters

I love our metal models, just wish there were more poses.

I love being able to drop a lady 4 feet onto a concrete floor where we play and pick her back up and put her on the table. I accidentally dropped a plastic marine the other day and I swear the dang thing exploded into more pieces than it started as...


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An actual tactics question...

With 6th and allies I've been toying with a footslogging (more counter-charge) battle conclave consisting of Jacobus, 5 Crusaders with Axes, 5 Assassins with Swords & Maces, and a Primaris Psyker (to unlock guard allies, provide some utility, and soak challenges I do not want Jacy involved in).

The question I have is, what powers would you guys take on the Primaris? I've toyed with biomancy (enfeeble is amazing the relentless/FNP power is handy, the AP2 shooty isn't horrible, and the two self-buffs are so-so if you roll well). I have also just started messing with telekinesis, and telepathy.

Have any of you tried the Primaris at all? What schools do you think would work best for a Psyker hanging out with Jacobus?

I just don't think the Jaco-blob works that well in 6th..... Sure, you can do a bunch of things to make it better but the unfortunate truth is that the other options are better: Celestine+Seraphim and Kyrinov+Aegis+whatever.

If we get a new codex, and if we get assault vehicles, then the BC will probably be a no-brainer (although i'd expect a big nerf to the PW choices). Until then it seems like the best plan is to take moar shooting

Yeah, I'm gonna run my final Jacobus Conclave this weekend, I think. I'll let you know how it goes.

For Primaris, I was going to go Telepathy + a PBS allied in for shenanigans. Keep in mind that you can choose right before the game as well, so if you are up against fearless opponents, you can ditch fearless, etc.

The Battle Sister models are superior to just about anything GW makes for 40K. Seven poses are adequate.

That said, I do look forward to having something different for the other infantry types, i.e. Dominions.

Multi-part models are a great deal more trouble, but plastic does have some advantages. Removing mold lines can be a bear in particular with metal models.

All IMO, ya' know.

pzbw7z wrote:The Battle Sister models are superior to just about anything GW makes for 40K. Seven poses are adequate.

That said, I do look forward to having something different for the other infantry types, i.e. Dominions.

Multi-part models are a great deal more trouble, but plastic does have some advantages. Removing mold lines can be a bear in particular with metal models.

All IMO, ya' know.

I can agree with this, some fresh molds would be cool too. Modeled Celestians for example. Conversion is also much simpler with plastic. I don't even try to convert for the most part with metal.

Ah, my beautiful saint has eagle wings from Fantasy in place of her usual robe and jump pack. She is no longer a saint, she is a godess .

Vindicare-Obsession
Ah, my beautiful saint has eagle wings from Fantasy in place of her usual robe and jump pack. She is no longer a saint, she is a godess

I personally gave my Celestaphim squad mechanical wings from Microartstudio, though I can't seem to find them on the website anymore... Maybe once I get a few more models painted, I'll put my project on the site.

J.Black wrote:I just don't think the Jaco-blob works that well in 6th..... Sure, you can do a bunch of things to make it better but the unfortunate truth is that the other options are better: Celestine+Seraphim and Kyrinov+Aegis+whatever.

Yeah, I definitely agree Celestine & Seraphim is better... but I am not sure Kyri is. I have tried running Kyrinov shooting a quad gun giving some retributors a "free" similacrum, and fearless to a bunch of nearby IS. Giving my guardswomen fearless is definitely nice, but I'm leaning towards that having other units soak the fire instead is better.

Even in this shoot-hammer edition, I feel having a counter-charge unit is almost a must-have. Some armies, yes, I can shoot things off the table before they can assault. However, with stormravens flying on the board and our limited anti-air/interceptor options, angry angry marines tend to assault out the following turn and I am stuck hoping they wipe units and let me shoot them on my turn, or that it is late enough in the game for them not to have a chance to run rampant (unlikely).

Could it be my seraphim? Maybe. I have not tried holding them back because they are so good at harassment and denial. If I go back to using a conclave, 5 Crusaders absorb a LOT of shooting whilst moving around the table table, and it just adds another high-threat target my opponent feels they must deal with (especially if they were on the receiving end in 6th).

Celestine? Conclave? Exorcists? Retributors with potentially 2+ cover? Waste a bunch of shots taking out the quad gun? BSS rhinos or Infantry squads holding objectives? Hard decisions.

Pretre: I thought about an allied PBS, but I just do not have the points. Have you tried telepathy without a PBS? Do you just hope for puppet master or terrify? (Oh how I wish I could cast invisibility, then it would be a no-brainer)
I think biomancy is still the best option, endurance, enfeeble, life leech and smite all being solid options.

pretre wrote:Yeah, I'm gonna run my final Jacobus Conclave this weekend, I think. I'll let you know how it goes.

For Primaris, I was going to go Telepathy + a PBS allied in for shenanigans. Keep in mind that you can choose right before the game as well, so if you are up against fearless opponents, you can ditch fearless, etc.

It'll be good to hear how that turns out as I'm seriously considering it aswell because I've had little success with the conclave since 6th. The two times it did work, in one game I jumped them out of the Rhino turn 1 against a BA jump pack army, the other I deployed them out of the rhino ready to counter assault some turn 1 deepstrike termies.

Last weekend I tabled a Draigo list despite my conclave dieing to a single unit shooting at them after disembarking. I was hoping they would at least last long enough to eat some more bullets or better yet cop a charge from the nearby termies to kill something before they die.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:

pretre wrote:That's pretty melodramatic. We aren't suffering with metal models; we just have metal models. Let's avoid the 'woe is me, long suffering SOB player' stereotype, eh?

Am I the only one who prefers the metal models?

Absolutely not. Wargaming is, above all else, a tactile hobby. The weight of a metal model conveys worth to me, and it feels substantial and real. Three of my four armies are all-metal and it doesn't bother me one bit. BTW, just for giggles, I weighed my Exorcist before paint and it came in at a shade over 15 ounces

KalashnikovMarine wrote:

I can agree with this, some fresh molds would be cool too. Modeled Celestians for example. Conversion is also much simpler with plastic. I don't even try to convert for the most part with metal.

First, the new rules would need to make Celestians viable again.

Conversion is obviously simpler with plastic or resin, but plastic models require many more pieces to approach the detail possible in resin or metal. It's just a pain to have to put together nearly a dozen pieces for every infantry model in an army. It's worth it for characters, not so much for grunts.

On the other hand, no one seems to have gotten the knack to make multi-part metal models. I can't say I'll miss those.

Im not saying I perfer metal models over plastic or vice versa, maybe my point was mistaken, I am just complaining about price difference