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I think so long as your army doesn't include allies, and you point out that they are Henchmen before the game starts, you shouldn't have too many troubles.

Magc8Ball wrote:Oh, dammit. I just realized that the allies rules are going to make entire units that I've already built useless because they'll be too damned confusing. My =I= army has two units of henchmen that use Eldar and Orks respectively. Since they were constructed with the Henchmen unit rules in mind, they're not really usable as anything else, and I suspect that if I field them in 6E it's going to cause problems for my opponents.

Drat. :\

Just explain to them beforehand, "by the way those eldar/orks are actually henchmen". Can GK even ally with Eldar/Orks?

Im excited for the possibility of counts as you could maybe use the allies system for. Among friends anyway. Say I want some Eldaresque storm shield terminators and I convert up some wraithguard with sheilds and hammers. BOOM aliies! There will obviously(like already stated) be at least a moderate amount of house ruling needed. If the mechanics of allies is totally broken it wouldn't be the first rule to be overruled in practice by the player base.

Eldar Craft wrote:Im excited for the possibility of counts as you could maybe use the allies system for. Among friends anyway. Say I want some Eldaresque storm shield terminators and I convert up some wraithguard with sheilds and hammers. BOOM aliies!

Allies, not roommates! Geez...

Magc8Ball wrote:Oh, dammit. I just realized that the allies rules are going to make entire units that I've already built useless because they'll be too damned confusing.

That's why I started a Deathwatch army and an Adeptus Mechanicus army. GW can't invalidate my choices if they never made the army in the first place!

Ha but alarmingrick my eldar are so racist . They apparently prefer to ally with dark eldar over any type of human. So I can just make an eldar version of what I wanted to run. Like Roided out swooping hawk assault marines :b

Magc8Ball wrote:Oh, dammit. I just realized that the allies rules are going to make entire units that I've already built useless because they'll be too damned confusing. My =I= army has two units of henchmen that use Eldar and Orks respectively. Since they were constructed with the Henchmen unit rules in mind, they're not really usable as anything else, and I suspect that if I field them in 6E it's going to cause problems for my opponents.

Drat. :\

Just run them like you want and brief opponent. Allies in tournies probably wont happen. Im sure NOVA will set the standard. Everything else is NOVA style!

Can you guys imagine what those Gamer's Edition bags are going to be going for in a couple of months on Feebay?
Remember the Backpack? That thing was selling pretty well for a while. I'm sure there's always someone willing to shell
out whatevers asked if they want it bad enough.

Oh, and I've found out why some of the things weren't put up for advanced order in Aus + Others, namely concerning the new dice.

GW wrote:'Just an announcement for everyone unfortunately due to unforeseen circumstances the new dice (besides the ones in the gamers edition) have been delayed and will not be released until further notice'

So with the new flier rules coming into play...particularly the one where other fliers can shoot at fliers at normal ballistic, certain fortifications shooting with surface to air guns, shooting when a plane enters from reserves...I suspect the ally rule is kinda of there to help armies with non-fliers, space wolves being an example. There would be virtually no way unles it was luck to drop a flier without one yourself or a fort to shoot them unless they are unloading their payload. 6 to hit is far and few in this case. How would the tour seen Resolve this?

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Oh, and I've found out why some of the things weren't put up for advanced order in Aus + Others, namely concerning the new dice.

GW wrote:'Just an announcement for everyone unfortunately due to unforeseen circumstances the new dice (besides the ones in the gamers edition) have been delayed and will not be released until further notice'

Must have run out of finecrap? Pity.

I'm so glad that guard can ally with pretty much every army, yay for hydras!

So I can put a bunch of guns on some killa kans and say they're obliterators? Or put some rokkits on the backs of some meganobs and say they're raptors? That's pretty cool thinking. I now wonder what other devious ploys I can use to confuse the hell out of my enemies.

warpcrafter wrote:So I can put a bunch of guns on some killa kans and say they're obliterators? Or put some rokkits on the backs of some meganobs and say they're raptors? That's pretty cool thinking. I now wonder what other devious ploys I can use to confuse the hell out of my enemies.

Have Sisters talk with a deep voice and say they're Black Tempers? They'll have to fart alot and tell sexist jokes....

I realize not everybody loves counts-as which I get. That's why it would have to be friendly game. I'm with you If I'm across from you at a tournament and I have to remember more that one or two exceptions you might as well just make up what ever rules you want at that point because I will quickly lose track.

Oh well, these new allies rules also make my EXTREMEY radical xenos inquistor army list that I've been planning for a while more viable, as I now don't have to rely on just GK, I can have alied guard + xenos (hopefully)

Now if black templars and sisters don't get on well, well, that's weird. my future eldar and space marines will be good though.

My mind's replete with the word ORKTAU!

I hope that a week from now it still is

Sorry if this has been covered, but in the gamers edition i cant find what the little skull statues are. Read description on GW, but cant seem to find it at all.

Anyone know?

Davylove21 wrote:My mind's replete with the word ORKTAU!

I hope that a week from now it still is

I hear ya, those are my two main armies currently...the thought of them together seems very.....interesting...


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Dave-c wrote:Sorry if this has been covered, but in the gamers edition i cant find what the little skull statues are. Read description on GW, but cant seem to find it at all.

Anyone know?

Dice holders, for the marker dice.

http://antidotetoignorance.com/pics/diceholder.JPG

lol, farsight tau + orks is legal.

im actually sad that IG are able to be grabbed up by everyone.

now instead of me owning an army , I am reduced to being everyone elses accessory

yayyyyyy......

RegulusBlack wrote:im actually sad that IG are able to be grabbed up by everyone.

now instead of me owning an army , I am reduced to being everyone elses accessory

yayyyyyy......

IG - Not just the lap dog of the Emperor anymore..now they're lap dogs for everyone!

I read that and snorted coffee.... lol

IG are just now everyones scrubs.......

Space Marines+GK (to get devastations that can fire through terrain)

Tau+Orks (for CC support)

I like some of these possibilities (for friendly games of course). I agree that this would probably break tournaments because it gets rid of some of each lists handicaps that you would otherwise have to work around.

TechMarine1 wrote:Space Marines+GK (to get devastations that can fire through terrain)

Tau+Orks (for CC support)

I like some of these possibilities (for friendly games of course). I agree that this would probably break tournaments because it gets rid of some of each lists handicaps that you would otherwise have to work around.

I've seen this sentiment a lot since the allies rumors started flying, and now with confirmation in the WD even more so.

So i pose this question:

What is wrong with every army being able to shore up it's weaknesses? Once all armies are solid all-rounders, if commanded by the proper generals, we should see the MOST fair, balanced version of 40K ever. An all-round army like Tau+Orks still has both armies weaknesses - Assault the codex:tau units and shoot down the codex: orks units. I'm not seeing the bad side here, since everyone has access to everyone else's drugs in this case.

I like how people are proposing eliminating what may be core rules of the game. But we don't even know that. Definitely time to make tournament amendments. *facepalm*

In fact, it seems that the RUMOR part of this thread is being overlooked and all we have is a few page scans and some GW store promo pages. Seems like the ideal time to PANIC!

At least we aren't going on about video games anymore in a 6th ed news/rumor thread.... Or are we?

tetrisphreak wrote:

TechMarine1 wrote:Space Marines+GK (to get devastations that can fire through terrain)

Tau+Orks (for CC support)

I like some of these possibilities (for friendly games of course). I agree that this would probably break tournaments because it gets rid of some of each lists handicaps that you would otherwise have to work around.

I've seen this sentiment a lot since the allies rumors started flying, and now with confirmation in the WD even more so.

So i pose this question:

What is wrong with every army being able to shore up it's weaknesses? Once all armies are solid all-rounders, if commanded by the proper generals, we should see the MOST fair, balanced version of 40K ever. An all-round army like Tau+Orks still has both armies weaknesses - Assault the codex:tau units and shoot down the codex: orks units. I'm not seeing the bad side here, since everyone has access to everyone else's drugs in this case.

Probably cherry picking making the game dumber.

Don't think Tau + Orks. Think Tau + Space marines, where they get a HQ + Terminator + Dedicated LR Transport and a cheapo scout unit. Now you've got some very serious problems. Railguns + JSJ Suits (that can buy terrain that always blocks LOS, that always is available - where you want it), with a massive counter-charge unit?

Nvm, saw the other link.

Griever wrote:It's annoying when all people do is talk about allies when they're obviously not going to be apart of non team games

You guys do realize that page is part of a rules packet for a DOUBLES TOURNAMENT right?

Stop talking about this stuff like in a regular game of 1v1 40k you're going to be able to take Tau & Orks in the same army. It's not happening.

It's also preventing people with reading comprehension from discussing actual possible rules.

You're so wrong I'm embarrassed for you.