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they get dropped from thunderhawks apparently.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Why do Land Raiders Deep Strike?

That just seems... absurd.

The BA sparkle so much you don't see them drive up.

Pretty Marines...always that time of month...every day of the month!
The red rage, bitchy 24/7.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Why do Land Raiders Deep Strike?

That just seems... absurd.

Imagine, if you will the Blood Angel Battlebarge Blood of the Sanguin Blood (Yes, that's its name) orbiting the planet Blood Prime.

Blast doors open, a dozen thunderhawks with names that all have "Blood" in them descend swiftly like blood drops through Blood Prime's atmosphere. Underneath there is a landraider clamped on with special magna blood clamps.


The thunderhawks make a pass at the planetary fortress they are assaulting - Blood missiles and blood cannons firing everywhere.

Las weaponry hisses and singes the Thunderhawk Bloody Sword of Suinguinius' Blood, but it's to no avail.

50 feet

40 feet

30 feet...

Magna blood clamps disengage - Raider Bloody Coathanger appears to be in a free fall on to the harsh, rocky planet surface. Fitted Grav Thrusters activate, buffering the 'Raider's descent.

With a loud unrelated blood sound they land shaken, but ready to show that they, the Blood Angels of Sanguinius will draw the most blood this day from their impenetrable Bloody Coathanger.




Atleast, that's how I see it.

lord_blackfang wrote:Or you could... accidentally... drop the codex... onto a scanner... 96 times...

I'm probably not allowed to say that, huh.

lol

Sergeant Horse wrote:they get dropped from thunderhawks apparently.

Yes, they do, and it works the same way for every other chapter. Why suddenly do the BA get this ability?

Sergeant Horse wrote:Sanguinary Guards can have Death Masks, enemy must make leadership or be reduced to WS1 for the assault.

Are you sure it's WS and not I?

so a 10 man assault squad can drop pod in with 2 meltaguns and a sarge infernus pistol + a SP infernus pistol for maximum melta fun.

i think the FC + FNP benefit of the SP makes them a worthy addition just as corbulo was in the pdf, but better.

So the BA are even better army then the SM tooled up as Salamanders?
Thats just great!

I wonder exactly what the hell vanilla SM are supposed to be better at then BA and SW?

The more super dexes come out, each with their series of power builds normal SM cant match, the less generic normal SM will be as nobody will use builds that dedicated SM codexes do better.
Thus we will end up with 1-2 BA builds that no other can match, 1-2 SW builds and SM will be left to pick up the trash, the extremely slim margin where only they do better then the rest.
Wow, talk about killing SM variety in tournaments.

On the other hand, in 8 years when SM gets their codex redone maybe GW can finally make vanguards and legion of the damned that are worth taking...just hope I dont die of old age before that happens!

Upon retrospect, my off color humor will likely offend most people. I retract my post.

Please Space Marines get a new codex ever addition, and if the past is any track record that should be with in the next 3 years. Stop being a Drama Queen until the codex actually comes out.

oni wrote:

Sergeant Horse wrote:Sanguinary Guards can have Death Masks, enemy must make leadership or be reduced to WS1 for the assault.

Are you sure it's WS and not I?

its weapon skill.. basically the same thing as banshee masks

Sergeant Horse wrote:no different. flamers and missiles still free if you have 10, need ten to get them etc

assault squad's meltaguns?

same point cost as flamers?

10pts each

I heard termy assault squad is the same as C:SM, but you can pay 5 pts per model for TH/SS.... true?

coteaz wrote:
I heard termy assault squad is the same as C:SM, but you can pay 5 pts per model for TH/SS.... true?

That would not surprise me at all.

We all know , that TH/SS termies were too good for the points in the marine dex, and at 60 some points too much in the Space wolf dex. No one with the basic marine dex takes the lighting claw termies because the TH/SS ones are so much better for the same points.

I actually doubt 5 point will have people taking claws over TH/SS but that combined with a sang Priest might.

Its a balance issue

bah multipost.

"Why do Land Raiders Deep Strike?

That just seems... absurd. "

Absurdly Awesome!

its ture, I hadn't noticed that before, you have to pay 5 pts extra for TH/SS




and as a side, I always take 2-3 LCs with my termie assaults, but then, I usually run Pedro Kantor, so 15 LC attacks is nice!


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I don't think its going to be hideously broken, I mean some stuff is out there, but overall, it looks like a really fun list, its the first one in ages that made me genuinely excited to play

Sergeant Horse wrote:

oni wrote:

Sergeant Horse wrote:Sanguinary Guards can have Death Masks, enemy must make leadership or be reduced to WS1 for the assault.

Are you sure it's WS and not I?

its weapon skill.. basically the same thing as banshee masks

Banshee masks make them I10. It's warshout that makes the enemy WS if they fail a leadership test.

Arschbombe wrote:

Sergeant Horse wrote:

oni wrote:

Sergeant Horse wrote:Sanguinary Guards can have Death Masks, enemy must make leadership or be reduced to WS1 for the assault.

Are you sure it's WS and not I?

its weapon skill.. basically the same thing as banshee masks

Banshee masks make them I10. It's warshout that makes the enemy WS if they fail a leadership test.

my bad. either way, fail your leadership vs a death mask, and your WS 1 enjoy those 5s to hit

i think your going to start seeing a few LC armed guys thrown in with the thunder hammers. Especially combined with sang priests and the preferred enemy ability libbys get.

Sprinkle of each Termy with Furious Charge and FNP on top with a close by priest...yes please?

Storm Shields for low AP.
2+ FNP for small arms.
Furious Charge claws for more numerous opponents and slower opponents.
Str 9 THs for everything else.

The only issue is getting them into combat...which is hit or miss

Sanctjud wrote:Sprinkle of each Termy with Furious Charge and FNP on top with a close by priest...yes please?

Storm Shields for low AP.
2+ FNP for small arms.
Furious Charge claws for more numerous opponents and slower opponents.
Str 9 THs for everything else.

The only issue is getting them into combat...which is hit or miss

thats easy, deep strike them in a land raider crusader onto a locator beacon!

Sanctjud wrote:Sprinkle of each Termy with Furious Charge and FNP on top with a close by priest...yes please?

Storm Shields for low AP.
2+ FNP for small arms.
Furious Charge claws for more numerous opponents and slower opponents.
Str 9 THs for everything else.

The only issue is getting them into combat...which is hit or miss

Thats what the Flying Land Raiders are for

or just use a crusader normally like everyone else does lol

Khornatedemon wrote:or just use a crusader normally like everyone else does lol

thats no fun!

I know this has probably been posted, but this how it deep stikes, I am just waiting for the Model

Anpu42..... Your My hero....

Oh i'm sure we'll see land raiders with wings as stand in storm ravens.

So to build this I need
-A Land Raider Crusaider with and extra set of Assualt Cannons
-A Valkery
-And a Noize Marine
Thats a lot of $$ for one Model

Please Space Marines get a new codex ever addition, and if the past is any track record that should be with in the next 3 years. Stop being a Drama Queen until the codex actually comes out.

What? Tacs for the sme price as SM tacs but with 2 flamers?
Assault marines with flamers and meltas?

Damn dude, my Vulkan army would love this.



The hammer termie cost in SW and BA codexes is probably to offset and balance other cheaper things. They cant get it all I believe.

Finally, many of the units in the C:BA are the same as C:SM.

1) which of these are exactly identical? (equipments...point cost..)

2) is there a standard point cost for the "FAST" upgrade? +20, +30...? or it's different for each type of vehicle?