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Ahhh Vendetta huh ? Nice !

I am really wanting Rough Riders to receive some love in the codex as I would love to field the ones I am working on, a stat boost would be nice for sure !


So far the models we've seen haven't really excited me as much as I had hoped it would when i first saw the IG were getting an update, however the vendetta model is a step in the right direction, I just hope the codex is good too !

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Oh I just saw people saying its the Forgeworld upgrade kit. This excites me less...

Kolbalt266 wrote:New Pics of Vendetta in WD

konst80hummel wrote:Sorry but no... It's the old kit with the forgeworld upgrade pack...

Agamemnon2 wrote:Isn't that just the Forgeworld kit?

Just wanted to show that the Vendetta in white dwarf

 Lansirill wrote:
Looks like that one might have 3 TLLCs, two wing-mounted turrets and then a hull mount (assuming symmetry on the wings.)

Exactly what the Vendetta already had.

Maybe, just maybe, we'll get lucky and GW will update the Valk box with parts to make a Ven. Granted, the conversion isn't difficult, but it would be nice to have all the parts in the kit.

Yeah, looks like the FW kit... so if the old FW one is pictured in the new WD, we probably won't be getting a new Valk/Vendetta kit.


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 spectreoneone wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, we'll get lucky and GW will update the Valk box with parts to make a Ven. Granted, the conversion isn't difficult, but it would be nice to have all the parts in the kit.

The conversion isn't difficult, but it's expensive if you go with FW and you need a bunch of spare lascannons around if you want to do it without the FW kit.

Did the vendetta always have a searchlight thing on the nose? I can't remember.

Looks like it:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Did the vendetta always have a searchlight thing on the nose? I can't remember.

Yup!

Not sure about the ogryn's yet, they look very plain compared to the current models.

Which could be a blessing when it comes to converting them for other IG forces other than cadia.

 Wolf wrote:
Ahhh Vendetta huh ? Nice !

I am really wanting Rough Riders to receive some love in the codex as I would love to field the ones I am working on, a stat boost would be nice for sure !

Spoiler:

So far the models we've seen haven't really excited me as much as I had hoped it would when i first saw the IG were getting an update, however the vendetta model is a step in the right direction, I just hope the codex is good too !

*Edit*

Oh I just saw people saying its the Forgeworld upgrade kit. This excites me less...

Also in the new codex. Rough Rider should gain access to carapace armor to make Cuirassier thing.

^ Absolutely it would help make them a little more durable if it gave +1 to armour saves.

 Red__Thirst wrote:
I for one would love to field some Rough Riders, but as with Ogryns and Ratlings, they don't exactly 'fit' my Regiment (Vostroyan Firstborn).

I dig the concept of them, and having a nice counter-charge unit I can keep back and use would be a nice element to add to my force. I typically only use one to two fast attack options in my army also, so there's typically room for them more often than not.

Sadly, the odds of even a third party making good miniatures that fit with the theme of the Vostroyans on horseback is slim at best.

That, and if I were to try and run Vostroyan Rough Riders, I'd want to have my Rough Riders riding bears, because bear Calvary is awesome.

Actually, I think the Attilan models are mostly there...they have the coats already. Just gotta cut down the hat and green stuff a big furry one. That's my plan for mine. I also might add wings from the Kislev lancers for a Hussar look, and then change the mount. Although I'm thinking Cold Ones for mine.

I hope RRs don't get the boot, because they're an IG classic.

I think a Hussar might be a little more 40k speed for a heavy elite infantry!

Don't have the IG codex, but do the rough riders have rules for something like a parthian shot? Or are they just meat holding melta's on a stick?

 Kirasu wrote:
The chainsaw arm for the catachan sentinels didn't make much sense. A NORMAL catachan guardsman has a bicep that is bigger than the weapon of a sentinel, why produce CC sentinels when you can produce super-bicep catachan soldiers?

They should just give Catachans a special rule called "We make Arnold Schwarzenegger look like a B#$%@" that gives them S7 and makes anyone shooting at them BS1 because bad guys can never aim. I'd buy those.

The valk/vendetta will be combined (I.e. valk that can be armed in many ways, including vendetta armament...) and still carry troops. In essense, the vendetta is gone, but a valk armed like a vendetta is what it will be in the new codex. Be on the lookout for new boxing, and additional sprue in gw valk kits...

 krazynadechukr wrote:
The valk/vendetta will be combined (I.e. valk that can be armed in many ways, including vendetta armament...) and still carry troops. In essense, the vendetta is gone, but a valk armed like a vendetta is what it will be in the new codex. Be on the lookout for new boxing, and additional sprue in gw valk kits...

Given the pics we've seen appear identical to the FW Vendetta, I'm not convinced we'll get a reboxing of the Valk with the Vendetta parts.

It never really made sense why the Valk and Vendetta were separate entries in the book anyway, so it wouldn't surprise me to see the codex entries consolidated.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Don't have the IG codex, but do the rough riders have rules for something like a parthian shot? Or are they just meat holding melta's on a stick?

You can pay for up to two models to drop their lances in favor of special weapons, and everyone's got laspistols. Allows for rapidly-redeploying firepower in exchange for less punch on the charge (y'know, the big draw of taking rough riders!) I do like taking a couple of flamers in large units, just so they've got something to do once they've exploded their main target.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
The valk/vendetta will be combined (I.e. valk that can be armed in many ways, including vendetta armament...) and still carry troops. In essense, the vendetta is gone, but a valk armed like a vendetta is what it will be in the new codex. Be on the lookout for new boxing, and additional sprue in gw valk kits...

Given the pics we've seen appear identical to the FW Vendetta, I'm not convinced we'll get a reboxing of the Valk with the Vendetta parts.

It never really made sense why the Valk and Vendetta were separate entries in the book anyway, so it wouldn't surprise me to see the codex entries consolidated.

I am having flashbacks here.

Way, way back, I posted when GW was making a plastic Valkyrie (even though FW had a resin one at that time) and heard same counter statements and shouts of heresy! "But FW already has a Valkyrie..."

Anyways, take it with a grain of salt if you want, but you'll see soon enough...... It jives with GW lowering points costs for guard across the board (so you have to buy more models) and also making the Valk/Vend a single fast entry, opens up a slot for folks to buy another fast model/s kit (more money for GW), it's all about the $$$$$$$$.

I know, I know, everyone says this, but I do have a very reliable source (same one from way back about plastic valk), and that source has never told me wrong (old military buddy of mine).


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BTW, the Vendetta from FW is just a conversion kit, why is it so hard to grasp that they would just add a (plastic) sprue to existing Valk kit (since they've completely replaced entire vehicles in the past)?

:Well it is at least still in, was fearing that it was removed.

 spectreoneone wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, we'll get lucky and GW will update the Valk box with parts to make a Ven. Granted, the conversion isn't difficult, but it would be nice to have all the parts in the kit.

I strongly doubt they would redo one of Valkyrie sprues to accommodate for the Vendetta configuration. The kit is 5 years old only, made with up-to-date 3D computer design. Even more striking with the Vakyrie kit, is its composition of no less than 4 full-size plastic sprues. It means it is already expensive to manufacture compared to more recent fliers / large monstrous creatures. To compare :

Valkyrie : 4 sprues, 52 €
Stormraven : 4 sprues, 65 €
Stormtalon : 2 sprues, 36 €
Heldrake : 2 sprues, 59 €
Trygon : 2 sprues, 46 €
Harpy : 2 sprues, 62 €
Riptide : 2 sprues, 65 €
Wraithknight : 3 sprues, 90 €
Paladin : 3 sprues, 110 €

So, above stupidity of GW's pricing, I'm struck on how how cheap the Valkyrie is, taking into account its size and the amount of stuff in the box !
I would not be surprised of a sudden price hike, however they seem to have stopped this hated practice, for now.

Of course the pics look like the FW one, the valk itself is GW plastic kit & "... the conversion kit for the plastic Valkyrie consists of just a nose- and wing-mounted lascannons and a replacement sensor pod." .... All they will do is recast it in plastic....

 krazynadechukr wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
The valk/vendetta will be combined (I.e. valk that can be armed in many ways, including vendetta armament...) and still carry troops. In essense, the vendetta is gone, but a valk armed like a vendetta is what it will be in the new codex. Be on the lookout for new boxing, and additional sprue in gw valk kits...

Given the pics we've seen appear identical to the FW Vendetta, I'm not convinced we'll get a reboxing of the Valk with the Vendetta parts.

It never really made sense why the Valk and Vendetta were separate entries in the book anyway, so it wouldn't surprise me to see the codex entries consolidated.

I am having flashbacks here.

Way, way back, I posted when GW was making a plastic Valkyrie (even though FW had a resin one at that time) and heard same counter statements and shouts of heresy! "But FW already has a Valkyrie..."

Anyways, take it with a grain of salt if you want, but you'll see soon enough...... It jives with GW lowering points costs for guard across the board (so you have to buy more models) and also making the Valk/Vend a single fast entry, opens up a slot for folks to buy another fast model/s kit (more money for GW), it's all about the $$$$$$$$.

I know, I know, everyone says this, but I do have a very reliable source (same one from way back about plastic valk), and that source has never told me wrong (old military buddy of mine).


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BTW, the Vendetta from FW is just a conversion kit, why is it so hard to grasp that they would just add a (plastic) sprue to existing Valk kit (since they've completely replaced entire vehicles in the past)?

I'm not saying it *because* FW have a model. Rather that the leaked pictures in the WD are of the FW model. If GW was releasing a plastic Vendetta sprue, I don't think they'd have several pictures of what appears to be the FW Vendetta.

Valk price is increasing too.

With all this talk of Valks and Vendettas, I am still hoping (praying, maybe) that Punisher Cannons make it into this codex on something other than the Russ. I know you can ally with IA to get the Vulture, but I would crap myself if IG could take a Valkyrie with TL Punisher cannons.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Of course the pics look like the FW one, the valk itself is GW plastic kit & "... the conversion kit for the plastic Valkyrie consists of just a nose- and wing-mounted lascannons and a replacement sensor pod." .... All they will do is recast it in plastic....

Maybe. Though usually it's not trivial to recast resin to plastic, as resin can have undercuts, plastic cannot. Most FW -> GW kits aren't just simple recasts, they are genuinely new parts that look similar but not exactly the same.

I forsee the Vandetta being the "Tervigon" of the IG codex, I.E. it'll have a massive points cost to punish all the people who bought so many of them last edition, but it'll have the same configuration and so will be considered an almost auto-take by most competitive players.

Well, regardless of the "sprue" aspect of it all, with Vendetta becoming/merged into a Valkyrie, basically the Valk now with option to have TLLC option (be a "vendetta"), and still transport troops, and maybe being lowered in point cost, PLUS the fact GW will carry Forgeworld product starting April 7th, I am sure we will see lots of these on the battlefield soon!

 krazynadechukr wrote:
PLUS the fact GW will carry Forgeworld product starting April 7th

Umm, since when is this a FACT?

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Well, regardless of the "sprue" aspect of it all, with Vendetta becoming/merged into a Valkyrie, basically the Valk now with option to have TLLC option (be a "vendetta"), and still transport troops, and maybe being lowered in point cost, PLUS the fact GW will carry Forgeworld product starting April 7th, I am sure we will see lots of these on the battlefield soon!

Yeah, it's a reasonable bet to say the Valk and Vendetta will share a codex entry. Probably more like the Leman Russ variants, the Hellhound variants, the Ordnance variants.

They already are identical other than the weapons load out. They both have searchlights, they both transport 12 models, they can both be taken in squadrons, they are both fast attack and they both have grab chute insertion, so it makes sense they'd be a single unit entry.

I disagree with you on the "lowered points cost". GW aren't very intelligent when it comes to balance, since Valks/Vendettas are currently very popular, I assume they'll get much more expensive.