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It'd play into GWs mentality but maybe if they had a larger unit size and lower point cost they could be more effective. Then like all new kits they make a second elite version of the unit with all the bells and whistles.

I wouldn't mind being able to use RR if they had better rules even though I'm more of a mech guy. Does anyone wish they would make sentinels better? I love the idea of them but their so weak. I've taken the scout a few times and its missed every time expect when it one shot a ironclad dreadnought with a missile launcher which I found very funny.

I don't think Rough Riders of Psyker Battle Squads will make it into the new book.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't think Rough Riders of Psyker Battle Squads will make it into the new book.

Well, pysker battle squads do *technically* have models. They're just metal/finecast. We may not see the exact unit stay intact but I'm sure we'll get some sort of cheap pysker unit with similar abilities.

Also, I would love to see Sentinels get a buff (or more likely, a points decrease) Maybe make them an addition to platoons. Since the fast attack slot is fairly crowded, it would be nice to see the Sentinel have the option to be taken as an "infantry support platform" with platoons, at the small cost of making them troops and losing their fast attack ability for the scouring.

For example, if a base Scout sentinel with multilaser was 25pts and could be taken as an add on to a platoon, I'm sure you'd see a lot more of them. Even if you could only buy one per platoon, it would give people a lot more incentive to use them.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't think Rough Riders of Psyker Battle Squads will make it into the new book.

...or the Colossus... Penal legion is a maybe since GW seems okay with variations on generic regiment minis. Just adding to the endangered units list.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't think Rough Riders of Psyker Battle Squads will make it into the new book.

Well, pysker battle squads do *technically* have models. They're just metal/finecast. We may not see the exact unit stay intact but I'm sure we'll get some sort of cheap pysker unit with similar abilities.

Truthfully, I would not be surprised to see some plastic psyker models. Whether it's just a single plastic model or a box of 5 for a kidney? I don't know.

Also, I would love to see Sentinels get a buff (or more likely, a points decrease) Maybe make them an addition to platoons. Since the fast attack slot is fairly crowded, it would be nice to see the Sentinel have the option to be taken as an "infantry support platform" with platoons, at the small cost of making them troops and losing their fast attack ability for the scouring.

For example, if a base Scout sentinel with multilaser was 25pts and could be taken as an add on to a platoon, I'm sure you'd see a lot more of them. Even if you could only buy one per platoon, it would give people a lot more incentive to use them.

I have been saying for ages that Sentinels should be a support option for Infantry Platoons--or purchasable as a "Troops" choice at a 1:1 ratio to mounted veteran/infantry squads.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:


For example, if a base Scout sentinel with multilaser was 25pts and could be taken as an add on to a platoon, I'm sure you'd see a lot more of them. Even if you could only buy one per platoon, it would give people a lot more incentive to use them.

I have been saying for ages that Sentinels should be a support option for Infantry Platoons--or purchasable as a "Troops" choice at a 1:1 ratio to mounted veteran/infantry squads.

Seriously. The units only about as useful as a heavy weapon team. They're such neat little models it's a shame GW has just hasn't made them work.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Well, pysker battle squads do *technically* have models. They're just metal/finecast. We may not see the exact unit stay intact but I'm sure we'll get some sort of cheap pysker unit with similar abilities.

The "Psyker Battle Squad" co-opted the Sanctioned Psyker miniatures and turned them into a unit so everyone who owned any had to go out and buy more (and they were already a 0-5 group of models that came in packs of 3, meaning in order to get 5 you had to buy 6). Them reverting back to advisors makes sense given the material they're made of. Unless they release a 5-man plastic psyker box, I don't see them hanging about. Same goes for RR's.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Also, I would love to see Sentinels get a buff (or more likely, a points decrease) Maybe make them an addition to platoons. Since the fast attack slot is fairly crowded, it would be nice to see the Sentinel have the option to be taken as an "infantry support platform" with platoons, at the small cost of making them troops and losing their fast attack ability for the scouring.

For example, if a base Scout sentinel with multilaser was 25pts and could be taken as an add on to a platoon, I'm sure you'd see a lot more of them. Even if you could only buy one per platoon, it would give people a lot more incentive to use them.

Or make them T5 W2 Sv3+ very bulky infantry models and that would solve a lot of problems. Or even Sv4+, with Fleet/Outflank/Scout, and Extra Armour gives a 5+ FNP and Enclosed Cockpit gives them Sv3+ but takes away the Fleet/Outflank/Scout.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:


For example, if a base Scout sentinel with multilaser was 25pts and could be taken as an add on to a platoon, I'm sure you'd see a lot more of them. Even if you could only buy one per platoon, it would give people a lot more incentive to use them.

I have been saying for ages that Sentinels should be a support option for Infantry Platoons--or purchasable as a "Troops" choice at a 1:1 ratio to mounted veteran/infantry squads.

Seriously. The units only about as useful as a heavy weapon team. They're such neat little models it's a shame GW has just hasn't made them work.

I think the problem is that there is no real focus on what they are.

Should they be scouty, quick moving units? But wait--what would be the point of that if they're not CC beasts?
Maybe they should be heavy, slow units with heavy firepower? But wait--what would be the point of the other FA slots if Sentinels were cheaper but packed a nifty punch as well?

Sentinels should get a "Stomp" attack when in CC, and should get something allowing for them to serve as either flank harassers or to give up the chance for the Sentinel to attack in CC in order to be able to fire their main armament.

One thing I would not be surprised about is Flakk Missiles for the Missile Launcher Sentinel loadout--and for the standard Guard heavy weapon teams to boot.

I always hoped they'd make that catachan chain blade arm standard and have it represent something more.

The chainsaw arm for the catachan sentinels didn't make much sense. A NORMAL catachan guardsman has a bicep that is bigger than the weapon of a sentinel, why produce CC sentinels when you can produce super-bicep catachan soldiers?

Only just noticed that the hydra is slightly different from the FW model.

I now have images of ork conversions of an ork in the middle of those guns, screaming "DAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKA!"

I'd love to see Sentinels get some love. I'm currently about to start painting a pair of them for my Vostroyans (Armored crew compartment type, the old metal/plastic Steel Legion Armored Sentinel box). I got them for a steal from my FLGS, just 30 bucks for two of them. Hoping to see them get a little cheaper in the near future. We'll see I suppose.

Take it easy.

-RT-

 LazzurusMan wrote:
Only just noticed that the hydra is slightly different from the FW model.

'Slightly different'...?

 Kirasu wrote:
The chainsaw arm for the catachan sentinels didn't make much sense. A NORMAL catachan guardsman has a bicep that is bigger than the weapon of a sentinel, why produce CC sentinels when you can produce super-bicep catachan soldiers?

I forgot that unlike the rest of the Imperium Catachan is the planet where sentinels ride the guardsmen. Why?-Because their planet just isn't hard enough on them.

Psykers made into grek knights, battle conclave for as, and inquisition. I don't see pbs being dropped, but I can see their stats being changed to be the same as gk/as/inq psykers with an overseer.

I don't think psykers will go, not unless GW is willing to invalidate the Imperial Guard psychic choir datasheet for Apocalypse, I don't see them doing that just yet.

 BrookM wrote:
I don't think psykers will go, not unless GW is willing to invalidate the Imperial Guard psychic choir datasheet for Apocalypse, I don't see them doing that just yet.

It seems like a terrible idea. Therefor, I predict GW will do it.

I do hope the Psychic Battle Squad stays in the codex. I rather like mine and enjoy running it immensely. Very useful little elite choice. I don't expect the unit to be removed. Changed up? Sure. Removed Entirely? Doubtful.

Just my thoughts, take it easy.

-RT-

I made my own Catachan rough riders a long time back.

 Red__Thirst wrote:
I do hope the Psychic Battle Squad stays in the codex. I rather like mine and enjoy running it immensely. Very useful little elite choice. I don't expect the unit to be removed. Changed up? Sure. Removed Entirely? Doubtful.

Aye, spent quite some time tracking down blisters of the metals to get the squad up to full strength. I think the biggest change will be the powers they have access to.

Those Catachan Rough Riders are great!

So... No rules rumours at all yet?

I'm using a mix of Empire Pistoleer horses and Victoria Miniatures bits myself:



And yeah, I'm surprised that pics of the rules haven't been leaked yet, we got those pretty swiftly when the Knights first got "unveiled".

Those rules were in WD, rather than a Codex.

[Not a rumour]
One way they could do the Rough Riders is to make it a dual kit for Rough Riders (lances and pistols, fight from horseback) and Dragoons (lasguns, heavy and special weapons, can dismount to fight as a Veteran squad).

Half the IG heavy weapons already have the little wheeled trolleys, so it's not hard to imagine GW making one that can be pulled by a beast of burden.
[/Not a rumour]

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Those rules were in WD, rather than a Codex.

What does HBMC stand for?

New Pics of Vendetta in WD

Looks like that one might have 3 TLLCs, two wing-mounted turrets and then a hull mount (assuming symmetry on the wings.)

Sorry but no... It's the old kit with the forgeworld upgrade pack...

Isn't that just the Forgeworld kit?