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Looks like the sort of kit anyone should hope for.

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Flinty wrote:
I realise that GW has no idea of how weapons actually work, and that the rules abstractions are more important, but the choice of firing modes on a railgun are hilarious

Subsonic ammunition is 100% a real thing.
Railguns aren't, beyond theoreticals right now.

I'd say they have a firmer grasp on things than you seem to believe.


One of the main reasons that the catapults on the Ford Carriers are electromagnetic instead of steam is that they can dial up or down the power for different sized aircraft.

We also know that Tau rail guns can fire multiple loads, though they took the submunitions away from the hammerhead a codex or two back.


Thing is, you don't need different ammo for that. Certainly not "dart" ammo (whatever that means in comparison with the regular ammo).


It means they fire a literal tranquilizer dart really fast.

There are literally dozens of reasons why that's a stupid idea.


It's not a tranq shot, right? or at least there's no rules for that I guess?. I mean, it wouldn't exactly jive with it being Silent (slower) and AP1 at the same time, but otherwise I could see that, a tranq shot being shot slower.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Looks like the sort of kit anyone should hope for.


Indeed. Also, I like'em quite a bit. They will make very useful fodder for RPG minis, and Necromunda stuff.

...much more useful than the latest actual Necromunda stuff >_>

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 Albertorius wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Flinty wrote:
I realise that GW has no idea of how weapons actually work, and that the rules abstractions are more important, but the choice of firing modes on a railgun are hilarious

Subsonic ammunition is 100% a real thing.
Railguns aren't, beyond theoreticals right now.

I'd say they have a firmer grasp on things than you seem to believe.


One of the main reasons that the catapults on the Ford Carriers are electromagnetic instead of steam is that they can dial up or down the power for different sized aircraft.

We also know that Tau rail guns can fire multiple loads, though they took the submunitions away from the hammerhead a codex or two back.


Thing is, you don't need different ammo for that. Certainly not "dart" ammo (whatever that means in comparison with the regular ammo).


It means they fire a literal tranquilizer dart really fast.

There are literally dozens of reasons why that's a stupid idea.


It's not a tranq shot, right? or at least there's no rules for that I guess?. I mean, it wouldn't exactly jive with it being Silent (slower) and AP1 at the same time, but otherwise I could see that, a tranq shot being shot slower.



Well, i mean, i put that badly. What i meant is that it probably fires a Tranquilizer-style dart. but without the actual, uh, stuff in it. A lawn dart, probably.

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 tauist wrote:
I for one like the new sisters models. A lil headswap will do them wonders.

However, if they will remain as a separate faction in KillTeam, as in, I cant haz 1 regular SoB fireteam + 1 novitiate fireteam, I aint interested in fielding these in KT.


Agreed re the headswaps.

Interesting to see their 40k stats

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Well, i mean, i put that badly. What i meant is that it probably fires a Tranquilizer-style dart. but without the actual, uh, stuff in it. A lawn dart, probably.

That's what a regular railgun shot usually is: a penetrator and a sabot that gets discarded but helps the actual rail to accelerate the projectile (I mean, more or less ^^). But that could never be silent and deliver an effective payload (what with it killing by kinetic energy transfer and all).

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It's so fast that you don't hear it till after you're dead, which means you don't hear it

Also good to see GW's days, of having game mechanics based on some of your miniatures kinkily tormenting other of your miniatures for fun and profit, are coming to a middle

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Loving it all so far. It seems like Novitiates will effectively have 3 builds.

All autogun
all autopistol + blade
Kill Team variations.

Also, it's gotta suck to be a newbie and already be a penitent in training.
   
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New chad pathfinder so awesome they're using fist to fight instead of gunbutt like the loser normal pathfinder. Also they're strong enough to even hold a sister in a chokehold (with 1 arm!!!!) is extra hillarious despite being way too short for that feat.

Spoiler:


Miss opportunity for a dual knives wielding Pathfinder.

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 Ian Sturrock wrote:
It's so fast that you don't hear it till after you're dead, which means you don't hear it

Also good to see GW's days, of having game mechanics based on some of your miniatures kinkily tormenting other of your miniatures for fun and profit, are coming to a middle

So... like a laser ^^ (also, at KT discances that would be the case for all weapons).

What does Silent do, in game?

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 Albertorius wrote:

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Looks like the sort of kit anyone should hope for.


Indeed. Also, I like'em quite a bit. They will make very useful fodder for RPG minis, and Necromunda stuff.

...much more useful than the latest actual Necromunda stuff >_>


While I could (and probably will) use the Novitiates-kit for Necromunda, the Outcast-kit is far more useful in the game (Scummers, Hangers-on, Juves, NPCs, cultists, brood brothers...), even if it's a bit limited on bodies. But, well, the more (low tech/light armed kits), the better.

Chopstick wrote:
New chad pathfinder so awesome they're using fist to fight instead of gunbutt like the loser normal pathfinder. Also they're strong enough to even hold a sister in a chokehold (with 1 arm!!!!) is extra hillarious despite being way too short for that feat.

Spoiler:



Um... two of them are dead and the third will be killed soon by some girls with autoguns, as they don't care about hostages or better equipment.

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 Dryaktylus wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Looks like the sort of kit anyone should hope for.


Indeed. Also, I like'em quite a bit. They will make very useful fodder for RPG minis, and Necromunda stuff.

...much more useful than the latest actual Necromunda stuff >_>


While I could (and probably will) use the Novitiates-kit for Necromunda, the Outcast-kit is far more useful in the game (Scummers, Hangers-on, Juves, NPCs, cultists, brood brothers...), even if it's a bit limited on bodies. But, well, the more (low tech/light armed kits), the better.


So far, what I've seen of the outcasts sprue looks severely limited in options and variability.
   
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drbored wrote:
Also, it's gotta suck to be a newbie and already be a penitent in training.


When your school principal knows in advance you're gonna something up big time

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Killteam kits are being the best proper old school 40k kits that they are pumping with tons of options and still room for full "normal mook" 40k units.


 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
"When i finish my training, i want to go and die as fast as reasonably possible."


Shouldn't be training the point in a sister of battle life were a bigger percentage actually commit sins and fail hard enough to become repentia?

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
 Dryaktylus wrote:
Spoiler:
 Albertorius wrote:

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Looks like the sort of kit anyone should hope for.


Indeed. Also, I like'em quite a bit. They will make very useful fodder for RPG minis, and Necromunda stuff.

...much more useful than the latest actual Necromunda stuff >_>


While I could (and probably will) use the Novitiates-kit for Necromunda, the Outcast-kit is far more useful in the game (Scummers, Hangers-on, Juves, NPCs, cultists, brood brothers...), even if it's a bit limited on bodies. But, well, the more (low tech/light armed kits), the better.


So far, what I've seen of the outcasts sprue looks severely limited in options and variability.


With all those left-over bits from the other gangs this shouldn't be a problem. Sure, more options are always welcome, but a plastic kit for some generic underhivers you can use in multiple ways is something I appreciate. It also closes some design gaps between Cawdor, Neophytes and some of the existing hanger-ons.
   
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 Galas wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
"When i finish my training, i want to go and die as fast as reasonably possible."


Shouldn't be training the point in a sister of battle life were a bigger percentage actually commit sins and fail hard enough to become repentia?


I assume training with the goal of sinning and becoming a repentia in mind wouldn't be seen as a particularly good choice.

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12 builds for the sisters so:
1.Superior
2.Exactor
3.Penitent
4.Medic
5.Icon bearer
6.Zealous? With the laud-hailer
7.Two swords
8.Relic Mace
9.Relic Chalice
10.Condemor boltgun
11.Autogun warrior
12.Pistol and sword fighter

Unless the bottom two are just options and we've not seen a build like grenadier.

Tau have 16 operatives, but 7 of those are drones, leaving:
8.Shas'ui
9.Marksman
10.Drone controller
11.Maybe medic
12.Silenced pulse carbine/flechette special weapon
13.Grenadier?
14.Large black things guy
15.Regular Pathfinder
16.Regular Gunner with Railrifle or Ioncannon? If they let you have two railrifles.

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 Albertorius wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Well, i mean, i put that badly. What i meant is that it probably fires a Tranquilizer-style dart. but without the actual, uh, stuff in it. A lawn dart, probably.

That's what a regular railgun shot usually is: a penetrator and a sabot that gets discarded but helps the actual rail to accelerate the projectile (I mean, more or less ^^). But that could never be silent and deliver an effective payload (what with it killing by kinetic energy transfer and all).

It is mathematically possible to create a shape that generates two (or more if you want to get fancy) sonic boom shockwaves in antiphase, such that they cancel out (like active noise cancellation but louder) - various aerospace engineering types have been trying to make it work on the scale of a supersonic aircraft (because people on the ground don’t like sonic booms, even less when they break windows) but they keep running into problems where the perfect shape is also either impossible to make or impossible to fly. This might be less of an issue if you don’t have to worry about fiddly little things like engines, or passengers.

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 Crimson wrote:
The autogun Novitiates look decent. I still don't like the heads though, the giant forehead ornament /noseguard just looks daft. Also a bit ostentations for newbies. Isn't forehead fleur what Celestians have?

I really hope that they're troops in 40K instead of (bizarrely) elites like marine scouts.


my take on the headdress is its like a lot of "in training" uniforms: part of its purpose is to create a uniform appearance that overrides the recruits existing sense of "self" with a new one, that includes the unit as a whole. it hides old, varied distinctions of rank, caste and status form their old lives, and replaces them with a unified set of distinctions of rank, caste and status of the Sisterhood. its all part of training and melding process.


to quote Jarhead:

"You are no longer black, or brown, or yellow, or red. You are now Green! Do you understand?"

The use of a head-dress that is significantly more onerous than the regular Sisters attire is perfectly in keeping with this, creating both a clear distinction between the Novitiates and full Sisters, as well as an apparent privilege the full sisters enjoy for the Novitiates to aspire to. Sounds stupid, but when you have almost nothing thats "yours", even the littlest thing can be enough, especially if you and your peers associate that thing with a higher status (for example, schoolkids smoking because its a "adult" thing to do)


speaking form personal experience, when i went though (British) army basic training, after 7 weeks in training i was given a long weekend home with my family, and my own mother did not recognise which of the young men in uniform was her own son until i physically walked up to her and said "hi, mum".

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 Albertorius wrote:
 Ian Sturrock wrote:
It's so fast that you don't hear it till after you're dead, which means you don't hear it

Also good to see GW's days, of having game mechanics based on some of your miniatures kinkily tormenting other of your miniatures for fun and profit, are coming to a middle

So... like a laser ^^ (also, at KT discances that would be the case for all weapons).

What does Silent do, in game?
It let’s you shoot when hiding. It really should have been called Sniper.
   
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 Albertorius wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Looks like the sort of kit anyone should hope for.


Indeed. Also, I like'em quite a bit. They will make very useful fodder for RPG minis, and Necromunda stuff.

...much more useful than the latest actual Necromunda stuff >_>


I was gonna say the same thing. These are more Necromunda than most Nu-cromunda releases.

Sisters continue to have one of the best model lines.

 Galas wrote:
Killteam kits are being the best proper old school 40k kits that they are pumping with tons of options and still room for full "normal mook" 40k units.



It's too bad not everyone is getting them, poor Tau.

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Meh, Pathfinders are a good kit as is. Extra options are even better... if you ignore the price hike the'll receive.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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 Dryaktylus wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 Dryaktylus wrote:
Spoiler:
 Albertorius wrote:

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Looks like the sort of kit anyone should hope for.


Indeed. Also, I like'em quite a bit. They will make very useful fodder for RPG minis, and Necromunda stuff.

...much more useful than the latest actual Necromunda stuff >_>


While I could (and probably will) use the Novitiates-kit for Necromunda, the Outcast-kit is far more useful in the game (Scummers, Hangers-on, Juves, NPCs, cultists, brood brothers...), even if it's a bit limited on bodies. But, well, the more (low tech/light armed kits), the better.


So far, what I've seen of the outcasts sprue looks severely limited in options and variability.


With all those left-over bits from the other gangs this shouldn't be a problem. Sure, more options are always welcome, but a plastic kit for some generic underhivers you can use in multiple ways is something I appreciate. It also closes some design gaps between Cawdor, Neophytes and some of the existing hanger-ons.


That's always good... but given how Necromunda kits are designed, there's probably not too many bits you'll be able to use with these, particularly two handed bits.


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 alextroy wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 Ian Sturrock wrote:
It's so fast that you don't hear it till after you're dead, which means you don't hear it

Also good to see GW's days, of having game mechanics based on some of your miniatures kinkily tormenting other of your miniatures for fun and profit, are coming to a middle

So... like a laser ^^ (also, at KT discances that would be the case for all weapons).

What does Silent do, in game?
It let’s you shoot when hiding. It really should have been called Sniper.

Ok... so, it lets you shoot from hiding and still be hiding, then? well, silent sounds ok-ish then. Not sure it fits with this particular weapon, though.

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Hmm. A bit of scavenging conversion on these girls and they could do well for the currently non-existent female Cawdor gang.
   
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Posted in the GenCon thread but:

I've seen mentioned from someone on reddit that in response to a question about the Starstriders:
Bamtrix on Reddit
This sounded like it would be the case in the talk at Gen Con. When asked if rules would be released for both factions from the rogue trader expansion, they stated it would be reprehensible if they didn't release those rules through an easy to access means. So I would expect white dwarf or WarCom.
   
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I think we all anticipated "full" rules for the various factions previewed in the stopgap compendium book, but as someone who was looking forward to a proper Sisters Kill Team, I am disappointed. I like the aesthetic the Sisters armor has. These new models look rough. I realize that is a subjective opinion, but I have no desire to paint them. I hope Genestealer Cults, another faction I was keen to play in Kill Team, end up with better minis.

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 Albertorius wrote:
 Dryaktylus wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 Dryaktylus wrote:
[spoiler]
 Albertorius wrote:

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Looks like the sort of kit anyone should hope for.

...

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 alextroy wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 Ian Sturrock wrote:
It's so fast that you don't hear it till after you're dead, which means you don't hear it

Also good to see GW's days, of having game mechanics based on some of your miniatures kinkily tormenting other of your miniatures for fun and profit, are coming to a middle

So... like a laser ^^ (also, at KT discances that would be the case for all weapons).

What does Silent do, in game?
It let’s you shoot when hiding. It really should have been called Sniper.

Ok... so, it lets you shoot from hiding and still be hiding, then? well, silent sounds ok-ish then. Not sure it fits with this particular weapon, though.



I always interpreted the "Silent" rule being analogous to "No discernible muzzle flash", the sound of the gun itself will not help pinpoint the snipers position while concealed.

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jmw23 wrote:
I think we all anticipated "full" rules for the various factions previewed in the stopgap compendium book.

Not really, it was to be expected that dedicated Kill Teams are coming for other factions with the new boxes, not that there will be Codex like rules (at least for now, Kill Team Codex might come in 1-2 years with a revised core rule book)


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 kodos wrote:
jmw23 wrote:
I think we all anticipated "full" rules for the various factions previewed in the stopgap compendium book.

Not really, it was to be expected that dedicated Kill Teams are coming for other factions with the new boxes, not that there will be Codex like rules (at least for now, Kill Team Codex might come in 1-2 years with a revised core rule book)



My assumption would be some sort of 'Kill Team Annual' that helps compile things like White Dwarf and out-of-print box rules, like Octarius. This way, people will still be able to play with all their models and rules without needing tons of extra books and sources.
   
 
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