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Also, given that this is a transparent excuse to get a new kit out, let’s wait to see if the actual list for KT that comes with the set is just the novices or if it includes options for power armoured fire teams before we criticise it for not doing so? Please?

I mean you’re right that sending a bunch of half-trained under-equipped kids alone on a long term infiltration mission is stupid on many levels. Sending them out with actual veterans for close supervision would be closer to an apprenticeship thing like the black templars do and makes more sense even if it still seems like a bad plan.

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by now I guess that the SoB List in the Box will be in addition to the Compendium and not replacing it

Same like Krieg has their own list next to standard AM.

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 kodos wrote:
by now I guess that the SoB List in the Box will be in addition to the Compendium and not replacing it.


Lists don’t replace lists, they are all in addition to. Admech in WD is an additional list to the one in the Compendium. This SoB list is for this kit alone.
   
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 Galas wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
drbored wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
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 KidCthulhu wrote:
The Sisters look less like an infiltrating commando unit and more like inexperienced Sororitas-in-training who are repelling a surprise Tau panty-raid.

It really looks like they were minding their own business of prayer and training when suddenly the party was crashed by some Pathfinders. It would explain the limited arms and lack of tacti-cool gear.


There's not a ton of 'tacti-cool' gear in any of the Sisters of Battle models. They bring bolters, chainswords, and lots of purity seals.



And this kit seemingly comes with 0 Bolters, 1 Chainsword and 2 Purity Seals. The fact they're painted very much unlike Sisters for the most part, and don't wear the helmets associated with them doesn't help.


We also haven't seen the entire kit. The main 'novitiate' unit for 40k is likely autopistols and combat blades, and all the bits they're showing off are the ones designed more for Kill Team, to show a group of ladies in various phases of their specialized training.

Either way, your point doesn't bother me.


I'm not sure what's the logic behind Sisters of Battle fielding squads of recruits equipped worse than Cultists would be, since one assumes they'd want some to survive the recruitment.


Space Marines and specially Black Templars have been doing it since forever and one Space Marine recruit is more logistically expensive than a Sisters of Battle neophite.


The diffrence being, the Space Marine recruits, specially Black Templars, given how we just got a new bloody version of them, wear actual armour and use actual weapons. Meanwhile, the Sisters are seemingly sending their recruits to the frontline equipped with a leather corset, thigh-high boots, and skinny jeans, like a family-friendly dominatrix. And also equipped with one of the worst guns in the entire Imperium, worse than the a Guardsman conscript or random Chaos Cultist.

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The Imperium doesn't equip sisters, they are outside of the Departmento Munitorium's preview. The Ecclesiarchy has to buy the guns, and there's likely too much competition from the guard for lasguns - not to mention they might not have the same logistics chains for high tech equipment.
   
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Who's the poster with the quote about a 12 year old Sororitas novice beating up a Primarch in their sig?

That sig may be becoming canon, if these Novitiates are considered to be "balanced" against Custodes.

It's worth mentioning that by the time you would get to the Novitiate stage of selection and the Training Convents of the Adepta Sororitas...you would have already gone through the Schola Progenium and gone all the way through the training that lays the foundation for the Scions.

With that knowledge in mind?

These aren't "newbies". They're highly motivated and highly trained killers who were singled out for their faith in addition to their military skills.

It still going to leave a pretty sour taste in the mouth when a player's elite/veteran/allowed to use full-fledged equipment killteam gets their teeth kicked in by teenagers.

Already weeping at the thought of my veterans of the long war getting shredded by Battle Sisters But Not Quite Yet.
   
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First up, since the Mechanicus and the Eclisiarchy are not really on good terms, you can expect them to always be last in line, probably even after the Penal Legions, when it comes to the run of the mill deliveries. The Munitorum will do their best to avoid beef with the AdMech.

Apart from that, we have no indication if there might be alternative weapon options, even the veterans have access to 2 bolters after all. So it might be that they have more firepower options than we know so far. Or maybe they can call down the heavens/get resurrected etc. I doubt they will be lacking the punch to compete, so far almost all compendium lists are playable and even the WD list for Hunter Clades works.

Yes, there might be slightly cringy 'red dawn' vibe to the Sisters, but I'm willing to wait and see what their background is.

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Rihgu wrote:It still going to leave a pretty sour taste in the mouth when a player's elite/veteran/allowed to use full-fledged equipment killteam gets their teeth kicked in by teenagers.
Imagine, how awful would it feel if mere mortals could beat, let alone go toe to toe, with the Mighty Space Marines, or worse yet, Custodes!

Oh, that's been possible from the start.

These Sororitas are no worse an offender than a basic Guardsman. If these would leave a "sour taste", then we should really be getting rid of Guardsmen too, right? And Tau drones too, because they're just helper robots? And Eldar Guardians, because they're just Eldar civilians with a gun, not "elite veterans"?

Sorry, I don't understand this criticism - these Sororitas novitiates are still more than a match for many of the long-term contenders in the Kill Team roster, because they're still Sororitas, much better trained than most Guardsmen. If we start banning things because "they're not supposed to be able to beat an elite/veteran force!", then what are we left with?

Already weeping at the thought of my veterans of the long war getting shredded by Battle Sisters But Not Quite Yet.
I weep at the thought of Custodes being killed by anything less than a Space Marine - a famed Custodian being killed by a human would be too much to handle.


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To be clear I'm not talking about banning anything. I just think Kill Team as the "grand unveiling" of this unit is a really odd place.

"Kill Team that already exists, but is worse". That's really strange. Oh, but they're actually equal! A Sisters of Battle Novitiates squad has equal chance against a Sisters of Battle Real Squad. Great!

Love the unit, love that it opens up the setting on the tabletop, don't love it in Kill Team this way.
   
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Rihgu wrote:
To be clear I'm not talking about banning anything. I just think Kill Team as the "grand unveiling" of this unit is a really odd place.
Ah, I see - I think for me, I've always seen Kill Team as something for these kinds of auxiliary/non-standard units, so this feels right at home for me.

"Kill Team that already exists, but is worse". That's really strange. Oh, but they're actually equal! A Sisters of Battle Novitiates squad has equal chance against a Sisters of Battle Real Squad. Great!
However, is this much worse than Guardsmen vs Veteran Guardsmen? In much the same way that Scions are supposed to have an equal chance against regular old Guardsmen, there'll *hopefully* be some way in which their differences are made clear.


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All the while, Genestealer Cults, roving Ork warbands, and heretical cults sow mayhem throughout the civilised worlds. It’s safe to say that almost every faction has a stake somewhere in the Chalnath Expanse.

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I still hate the squares and circles. Literally no reason they couldn't just be in inches.

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I realise that GW has no idea of how weapons actually work, and that the rules abstractions are more important, but the choice of firing modes on a railgun are hilarious


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 Flinty wrote:
I realise that GW has no idea of how weapons actually work, and that the rules abstractions are more important, but the choice of firing modes on a railgun are hilarious



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 GiToRaZor wrote:
First up, since the Mechanicus and the Eclisiarchy are not really on good terms, you can expect them to always be last in line, probably even after the Penal Legions, when it comes to the run of the mill deliveries. The Munitorum will do their best to avoid beef with the AdMech.


Nah, the two religions actually get on quite well. The Ecclesiarchy are constantly sending missionaries out to "lost" human worlds, and they turn up all kinds of weird tech. The Ecclesiarchy turns this straight over to the Admech, and in return gets very good rates on super-high tech gear like power armour.

They don't LIKE each other, but get a lot of mutual benefit.
   
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Good pic of the Novitiates with "normal" weapons:


The leader lady appears to have an alternate head.

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 Flinty wrote:
I realise that GW has no idea of how weapons actually work, and that the rules abstractions are more important, but the choice of firing modes on a railgun are hilarious

Subsonic ammunition is 100% a real thing.
Railguns aren't, beyond theoreticals right now.

I'd say they have a firmer grasp on things than you seem to believe.
   
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The autogun Novitiates look decent. I still don't like the heads though, the giant forehead ornament /noseguard just looks daft. Also a bit ostentations for newbies. Isn't forehead fleur what Celestians have?

I really hope that they're troops in 40K instead of (bizarrely) elites like marine scouts.

   
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I think the mix of straight mags and banana mags is weird. Some of the straight mags even look to be different length, although that could be perspective/angles.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Good pic of the Novitiates with "normal" weapons:


The leader lady appears to have an alternate head.


Finally, now they can almost go toe-to-toe with cultists.

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Given the size of the leader's hat, I assume it provides a force field for the whole unit.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Flinty wrote:
I realise that GW has no idea of how weapons actually work, and that the rules abstractions are more important, but the choice of firing modes on a railgun are hilarious

Subsonic ammunition is 100% a real thing.
Railguns aren't, beyond theoreticals right now.

I'd say they have a firmer grasp on things than you seem to believe.

"Theoreticals" is pushing it a little - while there may not be working examples in service, the US Navy has done test fires of railgun systems at least as recently as 2010, while there are a whole host of amateur projects that look at it. Hacksmith Industries, for example, produced a man-portable prototype a year or two back.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Good pic of the Novitiates with "normal" weapons:
Spoiler:


The leader lady appears to have an alternate head.


Yeah, that's better. I'll take that as a new unit for the army.

 Crimson wrote:
The autogun Novitiates look decent. I still don't like the heads though, the giant forehead ornament /noseguard just looks daft. Also a bit ostentations for newbies. Isn't forehead fleur what Celestians have?

I really hope that they're troops in 40K instead of (bizarrely) elites like marine scouts.


The fleur on the forehead is a mark of distinction. You don't have to be a Celestian to have it, but for obvious reasons it'll crop up a lot on Celestians. It's an odd choice in universe for Initiates, but I could see the designers worry that the models don't look sisterly enough need a visual tie-in. And that's the best they could think of.

Agreed on them being Troops. I'm going with that being equally likely as what happened to Scouts. It would be a great benefit to have a second Troops choice because it helps get some visual diversity in the army. On the other hand, we all know that Scouts are only Elite because GW wants to force people to play a battle company and Scouts aren't seen as fit for the Troops role because they are only temporarily joined to the company. I could very well see the same issue with Novitiates where regular Sisters are so ingrained as the core of the army that players must not be tempted to forgo them in favor of cheaper Troops.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think the mix of straight mags and banana mags is weird. Some of the straight mags even look to be different length, although that could be perspective/angles.


They might have been going for an M16 vibe with the 20 and 30 round mags. If they did, they missed the fact that the bottom plate of the 20 round mag is still angled. The guns themselves kind of remind me old armalite ARs.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Flinty wrote:
I realise that GW has no idea of how weapons actually work, and that the rules abstractions are more important, but the choice of firing modes on a railgun are hilarious

Subsonic ammunition is 100% a real thing.
Railguns aren't, beyond theoreticals right now.

I'd say they have a firmer grasp on things than you seem to believe.


One of the main reasons that the catapults on the Ford Carriers are electromagnetic instead of steam is that they can dial up or down the power for different sized aircraft.

We also know that Tau rail guns can fire multiple loads, though they took the submunitions away from the hammerhead a codex or two back.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Flinty wrote:
I realise that GW has no idea of how weapons actually work, and that the rules abstractions are more important, but the choice of firing modes on a railgun are hilarious

Subsonic ammunition is 100% a real thing.
Railguns aren't, beyond theoreticals right now.

I'd say they have a firmer grasp on things than you seem to believe.


Railguns rely on firing small things very quickly. Its the idea of subsonic railgun ammunition that I am having difficulty with, to be honest. I just get this vision of a sewing needle being propelled by a rubber band and bouncing of the target

Granted the submunitions thing. I probably just didn't think for long enough before posting.

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I for one like the new sisters models. A lil headswap will do them wonders.

However, if they will remain as a separate faction in KillTeam, as in, I cant haz 1 regular SoB fireteam + 1 novitiate fireteam, I aint interested in fielding these in KT.
   
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Flinty wrote:
I realise that GW has no idea of how weapons actually work, and that the rules abstractions are more important, but the choice of firing modes on a railgun are hilarious

Subsonic ammunition is 100% a real thing.
Railguns aren't, beyond theoreticals right now.

I'd say they have a firmer grasp on things than you seem to believe.


One of the main reasons that the catapults on the Ford Carriers are electromagnetic instead of steam is that they can dial up or down the power for different sized aircraft.

We also know that Tau rail guns can fire multiple loads, though they took the submunitions away from the hammerhead a codex or two back.


Thing is, you don't need different ammo for that. Certainly not "dart" ammo (whatever that means in comparison with the regular ammo).
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Flinty wrote:
I realise that GW has no idea of how weapons actually work, and that the rules abstractions are more important, but the choice of firing modes on a railgun are hilarious

Subsonic ammunition is 100% a real thing.
Railguns aren't, beyond theoreticals right now.

I'd say they have a firmer grasp on things than you seem to believe.


One of the main reasons that the catapults on the Ford Carriers are electromagnetic instead of steam is that they can dial up or down the power for different sized aircraft.

We also know that Tau rail guns can fire multiple loads, though they took the submunitions away from the hammerhead a codex or two back.


Thing is, you don't need different ammo for that. Certainly not "dart" ammo (whatever that means in comparison with the regular ammo).


It means they fire a literal tranquilizer dart really fast.

There are literally dozens of reasons why that's a stupid idea.

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