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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Seems like you're leaving a lot of interesting stuff on the table out of nothing but stubbornness.

Not really, it provides an easy standard for everyone to work with and what to reasonably expect. We work with all 3 levels on a rather consistent basis, (though the Standard level is a little less often). To use your example, Case II is available on Anything Goes nights, which happen about twice a month on average.

As it is, we're getting a feel as to how much is too much for a night, and so eventually trying to just have a standard BV2 for the assigned tech level.

As it is, this past week was Introtech, and because of the low turnout on Black Friday, we'll be redoing it again.

When you have a group that meets up regularly, it is actually quite easy to come to a quick agreement on such things.

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Standard is defined as the tournament rules, custom mechs are not used in tournament. Just because the tech manual is how the units used in standard were created does not make it part of the standard rules.

Quoting Sarna

The Tech Manual contains the construction rules and statistics that were used to build the canon "Tournament Legal" units. While unit construction is not part of the standard rule set for playing games, this is the book that allows the player to build their own custom units. It also contains numerous short technical overviews of various weapons and equipment, as well as overviews of the technology behind BattleMechs themselves.

So basically someone says on these nights everyone here has to play with my home grown rules. Sorry but unless there's a tournament or multi player scenario, me and my opponent should be able to play whatever variant we wish on BattleTech night. Someone else dictating what we play unnecessarily rubs me the wrong way.

This probably comes off a lot more antagonistic than I want it to because for all of that, I'd love to sit down across the table from you and play a game of intro tech or anything goes.

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I didn't think "tournament rules" were a thing Battletech players really cared about.

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You might be confusing tournament rules with tournaments :b In all seriousness if you're having a pick up game or a multiplayer extravaganza its a good baseline. But normally you're far more likely to come to an agreement with your opponent on how to deviate from that baseline.
   
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chaos0xomega wrote:
I didn't think "tournament rules" were a thing Battletech players really cared about.


there's three "levels" of play in battletech, introductory, "tournment" and advanced this losely adheres to the old level 1, level 2 and level 3 standard from the FASA days. however they moved a few things from level 2 which where a bit more complex and tended to slow games down such as arrow IV artillery from level 2 to "advanced rules"

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And they've moved a bunch into standard as well.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And they've moved a bunch into standard as well.

And that is even variable as to when one is playing.

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LOL anyone else catch the 40k referance in the new recguide that came out today?

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 Ghaz wrote:
Duncan paints the Sword of Light...



>Sword of Light
Why Duncan, why?

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BrianDavion wrote:
LOL anyone else catch the 40k referance in the new recguide that came out today?


Do tell.
   
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>Sword of Light
Why Duncan, why?


Because he is an honorable and discerning man!



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 aphyon wrote:
>Sword of Light
Why Duncan, why?


Because he is an honorable and discerning man!


But he could have gone Genyosha!

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Jerram wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
LOL anyone else catch the 40k referance in the new recguide that came out today?


Do tell.


it's in the fluff for the Jade Pheonix Mech.

According to the design team, the chassis of each Jade Phoenix contains a one-milligram grain of armor from the
Timber Wolf Aidan Pryde heroically died in during the Battle of Tukayyid.


pretty clearly IMHO a playful referance to 40k Terminators containing a shard of the emperor's armor

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BrianDavion wrote:
Jerram wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
LOL anyone else catch the 40k referance in the new recguide that came out today?


Do tell.


it's in the fluff for the Jade Pheonix Mech.

According to the design team, the chassis of each Jade Phoenix contains a one-milligram grain of armor from the
Timber Wolf Aidan Pryde heroically died in during the Battle of Tukayyid.


pretty clearly IMHO a playful referance to 40k Terminators containing a shard of the emperor's armor


More like the references of medieval relics that had a splinter of the cross.
   
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looks more like both used the same historical legend on how some special armour/weapons were made rather than a direct copy from 40k

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 kodos wrote:
looks more like both used the same historical legend on how some special armour/weapons were made rather than a direct copy from 40k


Probably, but I guarantee you that more gamers are going to be familiar with the Terminator armor one than the actual historical one.

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 Platuan4th wrote:
 kodos wrote:
looks more like both used the same historical legend on how some special armour/weapons were made rather than a direct copy from 40k


Probably, but I guarantee you that more gamers are going to be familiar with the Terminator armor one than the actual historical one.


Wouldn't be so sure. I myself worked at GW for five years and didn't make the connection to terminator armor, whereas I did readily remember the stories about tha splinters of the true cross.

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Even me, as most of my gaming time was Space Marine, would not have got the reference before the Terminator text was mentioned here, mainly because the Crux Terminatus is not an essential part of the background any more and Terminators being sidelined anyway

yet the religious aspect of relics in historic armoury is something that is more common to me and also more important

similar as any reference to space Navigators says "Dune" to me and not "40k"

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Did anyone ever play the Solaris VII dueling rules from the original boxed set back in the day? I just got an immaculate copy of the box and it's a beautiful set, really want to try out the rules. It's 1/4 hex scale and 1/4 time scale so weapons are at 4x range and you have an extra sheet to make weapon groups because they have firing delays across multiple turns like in MechWarrior. Seems like the rules still work, they give you updated weapon profiles with 4x ranges to match the hex scale, and everything operates on a 120 max heat scale so weapon heat values are 4x standard but things like moving are still 1 or 2 heat so there's increased granularity there. The maps are also wild, really want to try the Factory with the elevated multi-story buildings. I'm finishing up a Yen-Lo Wang using the modern metal mini, will have to run him through a duel!

   
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I've heard SRMs were mighty dangerous back then because of the cycle times, but you paid for it in heat.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've heard SRMs were mighty dangerous back then because of the cycle times, but you paid for it in heat.


Indeed, all SRMs were Delay 1 (meaning they needed a solaris turn to reload after shooting), so you could shoot them on alternate turns, but every shot generatyed four times as much heat. All lasers save the large ones had the same. The heat table was expanded, yes, but heat sinks only dissipated their regular amount per turn, so...

OTOH, MGs were murder in Solaris, with 0 Heat, 0 Delay and up to 12 hexes of range...

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 Albertorius wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've heard

OTOH, MGs were murder in Solaris, with 0 Heat, 0 Delay and up to 12 hexes of range...


That explains the original Cudgel with its 10 MGs...

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Well i was not really following what was going on here as i was in the middle of my own DUST game but i did pop over every so often to snap some pics-

This was a fedcom combined double lance force going up against the clanners. in the manner of operation bulldog/serpent.


The had to proxy a couple of the clan mechs as we did not have the control sheet for them. the puma/adder was a jenner IIC, not sure what the grendal was being run as. the nova, madcat & gargoyle were all what they were.

On the IS side the davions sent a tank lance X3 Ajax's and a Manteufel. the Steiner's part was a highlander, marauder, marauder II and blackjack.

Spoiler:


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The next time i popped in the ranged had closed a bit.

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The last bit i saw was this pic, apparently the tanks were wrecking the clanners for an IS victory.

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Now i think the clans might have done better had the new player listened to the suggestions from the guy teaching him.... instead of doing silly things like using a jenner to DFA a tank.















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Yeah, DFAs are hard to hit.

I usually use them as a last ditch effort for the last turn of the game for fun, or if nothing else will work and the unit is already in retreat, but otherwise unarmed.

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I've loved mechwarrior since mechwarrior 2 came out ages ago, and I just recently picked up the beginner box for myself and my son to play. Seems pretty cool so far!

Also been reading a lot of the old novels. I read the Jade Falcon books when I was a kid and I remember really liking them. Started with the Warrior trilogy from Michael Stackpole and its pretty great!

   
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 daedalus-templarius wrote:
I've loved mechwarrior since mechwarrior 2 came out ages ago, and I just recently picked up the beginner box for myself and my son to play. Seems pretty cool so far!

Also been reading a lot of the old novels. I read the Jade Falcon books when I was a kid and I remember really liking them. Started with the Warrior trilogy from Michael Stackpole and its pretty great!


I just finished the Warrior Trilogy and it was great the whole way thru. I've got a bit more that I want to read before I start on any Clan stuff but I have the JF trilogy on my pile as well. I'm surprised at how well what I have read so far has held up.

   
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 Prometheum5 wrote:
 daedalus-templarius wrote:
I've loved mechwarrior since mechwarrior 2 came out ages ago, and I just recently picked up the beginner box for myself and my son to play. Seems pretty cool so far!

Also been reading a lot of the old novels. I read the Jade Falcon books when I was a kid and I remember really liking them. Started with the Warrior trilogy from Michael Stackpole and its pretty great!


I just finished the Warrior Trilogy and it was great the whole way thru. I've got a bit more that I want to read before I start on any Clan stuff but I have the JF trilogy on my pile as well. I'm surprised at how well what I have read so far has held up.


The warrior trilogy has, hands down, the best line in science fiction period.

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