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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I don't feel like I know enough to make the call. We don't even know how much time passed between fall of Cadia and the great rift opening, or how long it took for the great rift to open, or when the Indomitus Crusade happens relative to those.


I don't think we're going to find out, either. To my knowledge GW has abandoned precise time lines in favor of ages with AoS 1st ed and 40k 8th ed and has not gone back on that decision.

Given that the Indomitus situation is somewhat exceptional in that it provides some sense of timing, and because of changing information apparently also provides clear evidence of a retcon, I expect this will only reinforce the background writers' current approach of being wary of pinning anything down for fear of being held accountable for errors and inconsistencies.

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Yeah, I think the approach to using 'blocks' of time rather than precise dates works much better.

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"Yeah, I think the approach to using 'blocks' of time rather than precise dates works much better."

Yes, GW is not known for precision or consistency.

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From Lexicanum, because I wanted to know exactly what happened here:

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Indomitus_Crusade

Originally as outlined in the Dark Imperium novel series, the Indomitus Crusade lasted roughly 100 years and ended with the Plague Wars. However in 2021 Black Library retconned the events of the novels to take place only 12 years after the Crusade had begun and no known end-date is currently set.

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Essentialy Haley wanted to have references between his Dark Imperium and Dawn of Fire series, so he altered the timeline to make less narrative sense, but fit what he wanted to do better
   
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I'm not sure that one person would have the power to alter the direction of 40k like that, least of which a BL writer.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm not sure that one person would have the power to alter the direction of 40k like that, least of which a BL writer.



Couldn't agree more !

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm not sure that one person would have the power to alter the direction of 40k like that, least of which a BL writer.



Properly phrased that should read "I really, desperately hope that any one person wouldn't have the power to alter the direction of 40k like that, least of which a Black Library writer."

Because it's hard to put it past GW to actually work like that.

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Well, everything that is not in the current Codex book is not considered canon for GW anyway

there is no one who guides the direction things are going, just writers who get a guideline what need to be covered and with the next Edition things changes anyway


actually there should be 1 person with the power to do it, but I fear that there is none, hence there is also none checking what is going on with the fluff at all

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm not sure that one person would have the power to alter the direction of 40k like that, least of which a BL writer.

*shrug* That's what Haley says in the interview referenced in the Lexicanum article.

This isn't the craziest setting-altering thing to come out of Black Library by a looong shot.

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 Lord Damocles wrote:
This isn't the craziest setting-altering thing to come out of Black Library by a looong shot.

The Horus Heresy novel which brings the Hive Mind's attention to this galaxy, for example.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army... 
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
This isn't the craziest setting-altering thing to come out of Black Library by a looong shot.

The Horus Heresy novel which brings the Hive Mind's attention to this galaxy, for example.

My go-to is always the time travel implications hidden away in Devourer. The whole setting only exists because Necrons are morons, apparently.
   
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Anyone wanting to hear some crazy, ill-thought fluff reveals should listen to Malcador by LJ Goulding, prime example of why all fluff should be disregarded as canon at will.
   
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 kodos wrote:
Well, everything that is not in the current Codex book is not considered canon for GW anyway

there is no one who guides the direction things are going, just writers who get a guideline what need to be covered and with the next Edition things changes anyway


actually there should be 1 person with the power to do it, but I fear that there is none, hence there is also none checking what is going on with the fluff at all


There should definitely be someone with oversight, but I don't think giving them the power to change things at a whim is any more desirable than to give that power to someone who's lower in the hierarchy. The challenge with a stable of creatives is to unify their works. Change isn't a bad thing per se and the goal is to steadily expand the background. But you need someone in a position of authority to rein the creatives in and veto changes that don't mesh. Possibly even a full team so that power doesn't rest with any single person and to prevent their biases from becoming too influential.

I don't get the impression GW works with that kind of managerial oversight, or anything even approaching that for that matter.

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 Dysartes wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
This isn't the craziest setting-altering thing to come out of Black Library by a looong shot.

The Horus Heresy novel which brings the Hive Mind's attention to this galaxy, for example.

My go-to is always the time travel implications hidden away in Devourer. The whole setting only exists because Necrons are morons, apparently.


Good thing GW retconned Necrons into Saturday morning cartoon villains ten years ago, eh? I don't know what you're referring to, but you sure make it sound like it's a good fit for modern Necron background.

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If we assume the novel series happens as a prequel to 8th/9th edition the timeline works out reasonably well. Or at least as well as it could given the context.

@Necrons are morons, yeah they were morons even before the retcon. Kind of the ole 'a person is smart, but people are dumb' thing.

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I can totally imagine it.

Another lore writer had it in is head that "Indomitus ends with Plague Wars and lasts 100 years", probably thinking that what they would do is fill in the space between the Indomitus Crusade beginning and the Plague Wars ending. In a way, this is how they handled writing the Horus Heresy series. We've known for a long time where the Horus Heresy ends and where it begins, and so the mystery is in the middle.

Then, Guy Haley comes along and says he wants to write events after the Plague Wars and since so many ideas were likely still pretty fresh at the time, they went ahead and slid a little retcon in there, scrapping the idea to 'fill the middle' and having the Indomitus Crusade and Plague Wars be the beginning and then they'll just continue the story outwards from there.

In a committee sort of setting, I could totally see this happening.
   
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 Geifer wrote:
Properly phrased that should read "I really, desperately hope that any one person wouldn't have the power to alter the direction of 40k like that, least of which a Black Library writer."

Because it's hard to put it past GW to actually work like that.

See Phil Kelly and his retcon of Riptides (which until then were late 3rd sphere walker design copied from Imperial Knights sightings) into something actually predating Tau-IoM contact in his utterly garbage Farsight book series (alongside Inquisitors having no idea what daemons are). Maybe someone should give him a memo early Tau always used mechanized conventional forces, grav tanks/transports/light infantry, for majority of their existence and their battlesuits (all of them, never mind very late designs like Riptides) are a relatively late design itself implied to be a copy of Imperial designs. They are developing race, not 'we always had everything' Eldar types. And this is the dude GW put in charge of 40K lore...
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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We don't have a price for Chalnath yet, do we? Would be nice if it was under £100.

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Price will probably come out early-to-mid-week, as independents start to get their order sheets.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army... 
   
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chaos0xomega wrote:
GW is in the business of pushing plastic to middle class nerds, not storytelling through a carefully curated multimedia narrative. The books exist to help push plastic and keep peoples minds stuck in their money-making machine. The powers that be aren't actually interested in the narrative or ensuring continuity or cohesion, etc. 40k is not Star Wars, GW is not Lucasfilm


If you think star wars and lucasfilm isn't and hasn't nearly always been a thing that exists to make money, then I have an Ewok tm Village Playset to sell you.

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"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

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I was hoping we'd get a release for the DKK and kommandos by the time the second Kill Team set dropped, but oh well.

I wonder if the novice arms will work on a full battle sister? Might be a good way customize some of the more generic heroes, like giving the mace to a sister to make a not terrible looking domata. The hospitalier in training is already perfect, though I imagine you'll have to give her the same sized base as the standard model
   
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 GaroRobe wrote:
I was hoping we'd get a release for the DKK and kommandos by the time the second Kill Team set dropped, but oh well.

I wouldn't be shocked if there might be some kind of holdup on the DKK/Kommando setups. Don't forget that they'll also be in the actual starter set too.
   
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It just had to be the week after the Great Gang Stronghold Scare of '21, didn't it?

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It just had to be the week after the Great Gang Stronghold Scare of '21, didn't it?


With limited Gang Strongholds to go around, the Tau and Sisters have to fight over them, so they don't fall prey to the Gang Stronghold Gap!
   
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 the_scotsman wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
GW is in the business of pushing plastic to middle class nerds, not storytelling through a carefully curated multimedia narrative. The books exist to help push plastic and keep peoples minds stuck in their money-making machine. The powers that be aren't actually interested in the narrative or ensuring continuity or cohesion, etc. 40k is not Star Wars, GW is not Lucasfilm


If you think star wars and lucasfilm isn't and hasn't nearly always been a thing that exists to make money, then I have an Ewok tm Village Playset to sell you.


You've missed the point. Lucasfilm/Star Wars is in the business of selling stories. Lucasfilm does not design or manufacture a single toy, model kit, or any other consumer good. The company exists solely to create, write, and develop films (and once upon a time also video games) and provide narrative oversight to independent authors writing novels/comics. With Lucasfilm, story is first, the toys and merchandise exists to support that. With GW, the toys and merchandise is first, and the story exists to support those goods.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
 the_scotsman wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
GW is in the business of pushing plastic to middle class nerds, not storytelling through a carefully curated multimedia narrative. The books exist to help push plastic and keep peoples minds stuck in their money-making machine. The powers that be aren't actually interested in the narrative or ensuring continuity or cohesion, etc. 40k is not Star Wars, GW is not Lucasfilm


If you think star wars and lucasfilm isn't and hasn't nearly always been a thing that exists to make money, then I have an Ewok tm Village Playset to sell you.


You've missed the point. Lucasfilm/Star Wars is in the business of selling stories. Lucasfilm does not design or manufacture a single toy, model kit, or any other consumer good. The company exists solely to create, write, and develop films (and once upon a time also video games) and provide narrative oversight to independent authors writing novels/comics. With Lucasfilm, story is first, the toys and merchandise exists to support that. With GW, the toys and merchandise is first, and the story exists to support those goods.


I would argue that GW seems to make its money on the codex's more so then the kits, considering how many they put out there and how often.
   
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Meh, framing it that way is just so oversimplified.

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 Ohman wrote:


We don't have a price for Chalnath yet, do we? Would be nice if it was under £100.


Does it contain a core rulebook, does anyone know?
   
 
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