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Harlequins will probably be a splash release, like GKs or AdMech.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Harlequins will probably be a splash release, like GKs or AdMech.

And AM and Tau

 Crazyterran wrote:
Harlequins will probably be a splash release, like GKs or AdMech.

Whenever you see someone from GW corporate or any of the shops who deal with them talk about splash releases, it means that the items will be available "while stocks last" and then go to direct only...

Now, if you're trying to say that you think it will be a release with no new models? Yeah, you're probably right.

I don't care about models or attention, here's all I want out of Dark Eldar:

"Hobby Creation" section with detailed instructions on how to create all the Official Character Conversions.

Take one "Reaver Jetbikes" (picture of kit) and parts from "Kabalite Warriors" (picture of kit). Glue on a power sword and a head of your choice from the warrior kit to create an Archon on Reaver Jetbike!

Take one Haemonculus and parts from "Wracks". Clip one of the Haemonculus' arms straight across at the wrist and swap for one of the following hands from the wrack kit: Agonizer, Poison Blade, Scissorhand, Flesh Gauntlet, Electrocorrosive Whip.

Converting dark eldar is easier than freaking anything. The kits are all plastic, all compatible, all similar scales. Just put it in a diagram and make it official.

 Lord Perversor wrote:

I don't expect much coming from Harlequins maybe 1-2 new units top like a new HQ like mimes or a Great Harlequin model as much.
In the other Hand they may Create the *Avatar of Cegorach* if keep moving a bit the lore showing them getting closer to the final Battle against Slaanesh but wouldn't expect it until Slaanesh Demons are updated.

Having Avatars of multiple gods to act as the Eldar's Primarch equivalents would work for me. Breaking Isha out of Nurgle's garden or taking back a Blackstone fortress to get a shard of Vaul could make for a decent Eldar vs Chaos campaign book.

the_scotsman wrote:
I don't care about models or attention, here's all I want out of Dark Eldar:

"Hobby Creation" section with detailed instructions on how to create all the Official Character Conversions.

Take one "Reaver Jetbikes" (picture of kit) and parts from "Kabalite Warriors" (picture of kit). Glue on a power sword and a head of your choice from the warrior kit to create an Archon on Reaver Jetbike!

Take one Haemonculus and parts from "Wracks". Clip one of the Haemonculus' arms straight across at the wrist and swap for one of the following hands from the wrack kit: Agonizer, Poison Blade, Scissorhand, Flesh Gauntlet, Electrocorrosive Whip.

Converting dark eldar is easier than freaking anything. The kits are all plastic, all compatible, all similar scales. Just put it in a diagram and make it official.

That would be nice, but I doubt that will ever happen again. I spit coffee laughing when they decided to do it for the Grand Master Dread Knight, though I am not sure yet that they didn't do that just to keep us all guessing on GW's official policies

I expect very little for the Harlequins book, especially in the form of new units. They really are hurting for options however, and access to flyers would be nice. I think we might see a character on bike as it can be made from the existing box.

Did the units from the Triumvirate of Ynnead ever get released individually? I kinda want the warrior dude model.

My source of hope for this is the recent codex thousand sons actually, which had conversion only wargear options on:

-exalted sorceror
-sorceror
-Terminator Sorceror
-Rubric Marines
-cultists (indirectly encouraging using kairic acolytes for cultists in a couple places)
-Defiler

Generally there was a picture or artwork showing the "official" conversion.

the_scotsman wrote:
My source of hope for this is the recent codex thousand sons actually, which had conversion only wargear options on:

-exalted sorceror
-sorceror
-Terminator Sorceror
-Rubric Marines
-cultists (indirectly encouraging using kairic acolytes for cultists in a couple places)
-Defiler

Generally there was a picture or artwork showing the "official" conversion.

My source of downer for this is the Tau Empire codex which gave us rules for an XV8 Commander(the 'old' suits/not the Commander box) but nothing else.

I hope you get cool stuff but I'm starting to think it's a dartboard of whether or not it will happen.

the_scotsman wrote:
My source of hope for this is the recent codex thousand sons actually, which had conversion only wargear options on:

-exalted sorceror
-sorceror
-Terminator Sorceror
-Rubric Marines
-cultists (indirectly encouraging using kairic acolytes for cultists in a couple places)
-Defiler

Generally there was a picture or artwork showing the "official" conversion.

Kairoc acolytes are bigger than MARINES, let alone cultists. I bought twenty with that exact intention ad was shocked by how big they are.

No they aren't. They're the same size as other recent human models. They're bulkier than cultists, but they're about the same height.

the_scotsman wrote:
My source of hope for this is the recent codex thousand sons actually, which had conversion only wargear options on:

-exalted sorceror
-sorceror
-Terminator Sorceror
-Rubric Marines
-cultists (indirectly encouraging using kairic acolytes for cultists in a couple places)
-Defiler

Generally there was a picture or artwork showing the "official" conversion.

A lot of these conversion only options are...well...legacy nods or allowing for the character from the newer infantry kits to be used.

Plasma Pistol? Legacy nod to the 2nd ed Sorcerer. Warpflame pistol? Now you can use a spare Aspiring Sorcerer as an Exalted! Power Sword? Nods to the 2nd ed Sorcerer, the Aspiring Sorcerer from 3rd and the 6th ed Finecast Sorcerer.

Sorcerer/Termi-Sorcerer - Legacy model nods and the Staff and Sword option lets you use a spare Scarab Occult character as a HQ character. Even then it omits the option for a Force Axe - sad day for the 2nd ed Sorcerer with a Force Axe who was a GW Thousand Sons staple since 2nd edition.

Rubrics - Pistol's a legacy nod to the 2nd ed Sorcerer with Staff and Plasma Pistol.

Cultists - Literally no conversion only things there. Flamer and Stubber were staple parts of DV, the brutal assault weapon is a fancy way of chainsword. Gun or Pistol CCW is standard for the cultist kit.

The only one I'll give you is the Defiler - the twin heavy bolter or twin lascannon options are only feasible by using the Razorback sprue 's turret (which fits in the same slot as the Reaper) but was around since 3rd ed.

The combi-melta is an option on the Vehicle Upgrade sprue from Apocalypse.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
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Reds8n

I'll never know if that was about me .

I hope Dark Eldars will get a Vect model, it's been asked so much on Facebook.

Preorders next week!

I actually like the old start collecting better!

Does this one have better savings? It would be cool if this one was "Wytch Cult SC!" and the one could remain as "Kabal SC!" just like you have the imperial guard and the tempestus scions one.

Shoot, I better pick up an original Dark Eldar Star Collecting. I like it much more than this new one.

Are those wyches new? I don't remember there being a naginata.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Are those wyches new? I don't remember there being a naginata.

That's the new plastic clam-pack Succubus that was released a few years back.

Not happy about the new SC. Seems like less savings and if they fail at addressing the shittiness that is Wyches and Reavers this SC will be Dead on Arrival.

We had some rumors in the DE tactical thread that appeared from some French beta testers(supposedly). Apologies if it has been pasted in this thread before.

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- 4++ on haemies

-reavers are supposedly awesome, they move 18", still advance 8" and can then charge, I don't know if that requires stratagems, specific faction however, but definitely a can-do

-lightly implied that one cult trait could be advance+charge (allowing the above)

-strongly implied (everything is "strongly implied" let's not say that anymore) bonus for pure kabal/coven/cult detachment
(comparison with daemon locus), likely it's just the <faction> trait that only works on a full <faction> detachment

-Trueborn/Bloodbrides are not an entry in the codex

-Coven with armywide -1 AP in CC (likely a faction trait)

-leaving the first turn to a drukhari cc list, not a good idea (apparently)

-Drahzar fights twice in some way (compared to berzerks)

-mandrakes and incubi not being linked to factions doesn't work too good for them (obviously linked to full faction detachment boni)

-they did say drukhari were a decent cc army

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Another idea: Could be that they might sell both the old SC and new SC at the same time to represent that Drukhari are now in fact 3 unique sub-factions.

 Eldarsif wrote:


Another idea: Could be that they might sell both the old SC and new SC at the same time to represent that Drukhari are now in fact 3 unique sub-factions.

yeah, if they keep one SC! Kabal and this new SC! as Wytch Cult then I have 0 problems, but I doubt it, they are selling it as SC! Drukhari. I don't think Dark Eldar are gonna have the luck Imperial guard has with the tempestus scion SC!

 Galas wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:


Another idea: Could be that they might sell both the old SC and new SC at the same time to represent that Drukhari are now in fact 3 unique sub-factions.

yeah, if they keep one SC! Kabal and this new SC! as Wytch Cult then I have 0 problems, but I doubt it, they are selling it as SC! Drukhari. I don't think Dark Eldar are gonna have the luck Imperial guard has with the tempestus scion SC!

True...

(I better get a box from my FLGS before they disappear...)

Buying both gives you a nice set of Dark Eldar at a really cheap price point. 6 Reavers, a Raider, a Venom, Kabalite Warriors, Wyches, an Archon and a Succubus.

Wishlisting - I hope the Dark Eldar (and Harlequin vehicles) get a few melee attacks to represent all the guys hanging onto the sides holding melee weapons. A Zephyrglaive upgrade on Starweavers would be awesome.

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Buying both gives you a nice set of Dark Eldar at a really cheap price point. 6 Reavers, a Raider, a Venom, Kabalite Warriors, Wyches, an Archon and a Succubus.

Would be almost the same quality as the old Drukhari Megaforce.

 Galas wrote:
I actually like the old start collecting better!

Does this one have better savings? It would be cool if this one was "Wytch Cult SC!" and the one could remain as "Kabal SC!" just like you have the imperial guard and the tempestus scions one.

I expect the Scions/Guard ones to get redone when they finally sell through them all.

It's $7USD or so less in savings but everything would have the Wych Cult keyword most likely.

I really hope there are a few extra characters. DE is woefully underrepresented since the 5E codex. But, I won't hold my breath.

 Rinkydink wrote:
I really hope there are a few extra characters. DE is woefully underrepresented since the 5E codex. But, I won't hold my breath.

Unless they reveal a second week with new models for DE I think this is it. And, if the rumors happen to be true, we are also going to have two less units(again) if they cut out Trueborns and Bloodbrides.

I do have some trepidation regarding this release, but based on unconfirmed rumors. If they are going to cut down Drukhari into 3 sub-factions that each stand on their own it will mean that for faction traits to work you are going to play with a very limited army or multiple detachments.

I'm a bit dubious about this codex. Dark Eldar don't really have enough units to be split into three factions. Wyches won't be able to build a brigade, and unless Scourges count as neutral neither will Kabals or Covens. Lists are going to be very limited.

The Start Collecting box is ok. The saving is £4 less than the old one (the difference between a Raider and a Venom) but it's all stuff you can use a lot of (especially if you've already brought the old one a few times).

I'm not to keen on the idea that Trueborn and Bloodbrides are gone, but It's to be expected. No models, no rules

It's possible that Coven/Cult/Cabal won't conflict with each other - that is, you can have 1 unique Coven/Cult/Cabal in each detachment but not 2 different Covens, etc. Even if they do, its relatively easy to build different detachments - many armies do this already. It will only be a problem if the army relies on specific aura buffs or such from characters - and a glance at the index it seems like this is more on a unit by unit basis vs. faction keyword basis.

 rollawaythestone wrote:
It's possible that Coven/Cult/Cabal won't conflict with each other - that is, you can have 1 unique Coven/Cult/Cabal in each detachment but not 2 different Covens, etc. Even if they do, its relatively easy to build different detachments - many armies do this already. It will only be a problem if the army relies on specific aura buffs or such from characters - and a glance at the index it seems like this is more on a unit by unit basis vs. faction keyword basis.

I really hope that's true. Requiring different detachments seems like it'd be very limiting. It also depends on the codex having an unprecedented number of playable units.

The first big problem is going to be HQs -- Dark Eldar HQs as-is are almost pure tax. One Haemonculus is nice, but of course you could only put them in a coven. You can't just throw Reavers in your Cabal battalion; you'd need two Archons for the battalion and then a Succubus for the Reavers.

Of course, you've actually got to take a lot more than just the Succubus. You need to at least fill an Outrider now. That's two more Wych-compatible FA units. Or you could take another Succubus and three units of Wyches.

On top of this you're probably still taking lots of transports, and those don't fill slots at all so you're already struggling for CP. And this whole thing makes it much harder to ally in Craftworlders. Maybe you don't like soup in general, but that's almost certainly a big disadvantage.

Basically, requiring separate detachments means that you need tons of HQs, which need to be at least decent, and you really want some very solid choices in several categories for each subfaction, especially in Troops where if any of Warriors, Wyches, or Wracks are bad that's going to be a huge hit to that subfaction's ability to generate CP. Like, Craftworlders would be just screwed if you split up Farseers and Autarchs and then Guardians and Rangers and then Reapers and Spears, and we're talking about a smaller codex being split three ways? I really hope you can combine subfactions without losing traits.