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Is it me or does the Archon on the front cover look like Ted Cruz.

the_scotsman wrote:
I don't care about models or attention, here's all I want out of Dark Eldar:

"Hobby Creation" section with detailed instructions on how to create all the Official Character Conversions.

Take one "Reaver Jetbikes" (picture of kit) and parts from "Kabalite Warriors" (picture of kit). Glue on a power sword and a head of your choice from the warrior kit to create an Archon on Reaver Jetbike!

Take one Haemonculus and parts from "Wracks". Clip one of the Haemonculus' arms straight across at the wrist and swap for one of the following hands from the wrack kit: Agonizer, Poison Blade, Scissorhand, Flesh Gauntlet, Electrocorrosive Whip.

Converting dark eldar is easier than freaking anything. The kits are all plastic, all compatible, all similar scales. Just put it in a diagram and make it official.

"I want rules for units that don't have official models and official kits."

"Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha" is Nu-GW's reply. Setting yourself up for disappointment friend.

I'd agree and tell people to assume there won't be kit bashed models rules but then again there was a KDN Grand Master that happened lol.

Requiring different detachments seems like it'd be very limiting.

Yep, especially when tourneys are also limiting detachments(at least my FLGS).

They can't keep the old SC box as SC: Kabal because when GW took a meat cleaver to the already relatively slim pickings in the Dark Eldar codex and chopped it into 3, they chopped Reavers into the "wych cult only" section.

Old SC box would not be a functional kabal detachment.

Also, hilariously, the new SC box appears to include a 10 man troop unit with a transport that has a capacity of 5. But that's just so typical of GW's level of "I give a gak" with DE that I just have to laugh.

"take this start collecting: Dark Eldar set, with a transport your models can't all get in! Maybe you can put five wyches in it while the other 5 get shot to death turn 1 through their 6+ armor saves! Make sure you also pay the additional 5 points so your Succubus can have an extra melee weapon that doesn't do anything, and don't forget to take the special warlord trait that doesn't do anything until turn 3 with her! you can also use the relic - oh, wait, never mind, silly me, she can't take that any more."

Maybe they are thinking the Succubus should ride alone in the Venom.

Of course, one hopes that they change the transport capacity of Venoms to 6. One hopes at least.

It would've been pure wishlisting to expect Incubi in plastic, or even Grotesque's.

I also don't appreciate the idea of Trueborn and Bloodbrides going.

I've blasterborn and splinterborn converted out of Black Ark Corsairs, Just in-case I ever wanted to field them.

Bloodbrides also gave Wyches more variety and allowed for 3 specialist weapons in a full squad.

But DE are a massive afterthought rules wise for GW.

Even unloved armies seem to have more plot and rule's protection than the pure sadistic evil of DE.

Formations were sort of trial tested on Coven's first,but since then there's been little love, and certainly not a hint of any re-sculpts or new models.

DE is small, mostly plastic, heavily convertable, and one of the cheapest armies. But it is not a powerful force, and may never be.



It'd be great if stacked formations like a "raiding party", especially with all 3 sub-factions, would make for a force to contend with in the game.

For now I'll stick to just loving the sculpts, and wishing they weren't so fragile to transport.

DefiantLambdas wrote:
I also don't appreciate the idea of Trueborn and Bloodbrides going.

I'm surprised that anyone thought they'd be sticking around.

DefiantLambdas wrote:
It would've been pure wishlisting to expect Incubi in plastic, or even Grotesque's.

Right there with you. Plastic Incubi would be incredible, and plastic Grotesque's allow DE players to have them in more than one pose (they could do a Beast of Nurgle style kit with 3 main poses/details to choose from and lots of smaller options). It'd be fantastic. Mandrakes could get an update at the same time.

But no, this is one of the simple releases, like Necrons or Blood Angels or Guard. Nothing new. Just a book, cards and if you're lucky a new HQ.

Maybe next time Drew Carey players.

Some codexes have had rules for models that don't exist in 8th. Thousand sons twrminator sorcerwr- listed as a conversion in the modeling section & the grey knight NDK grandmaster- also no model.

That said I don't think we will see rules for any DE character on a bike or skyboars or with scourge wings in the codex.

People keep saying that about the nemesis dreadknight grand master, but there is a kit for that. It's just the nemesis dreadknight kit, with no mandatory conversions. GW doesn't seem to have a problem with introducing new uses for existing kits (see ogryns, for instance). Grand masters don't really look appreciably different from other GK terminators, after all.

Likewise, they do sell a terminator sorcerer kit. It doesn't look like a thousand sons model, but it seems like all GW's concerned about is having a kit that makes the thing listed in the book, and they're otherwise happy to encourage purely cosmetic conversions. They did the same thing with terminator chaplains in the grey knights book and non-Cadian infantry in the astra militarum book. Interestingly, I would have thought trueborn and bloodbrides might fall under this umbrella. They're just slightly beefed up kabalites and wyches in a different battlefield role, right?

Last time around (index time) Trueborn and Bloodbrides were listed as upgrades to their respective Kabalites and Wyches. Has that changed?

blaktoof wrote:
Some codexes have had rules for models that don't exist in 8th. Thousand sons twrminator sorcerwr- listed as a conversion in the modeling section & the grey knight NDK grandmaster- also no model.

That said I don't think we will see rules for any DE character on a bike or skyboars or with scourge wings in the codex.

No, that does have an official model. You get the Terminator Sorc out of the Occult Scarab box.

I really hope Orks get 'Ard Boyz in their codex; that said, there's no official model, so...

 Eldarsif wrote:
Maybe they are thinking the Succubus should ride alone in the Venom.

Of course, one hopes that they change the transport capacity of Venoms to 6. One hopes at least.

The Venom chassis is very close to the Starweaver one, which has a capacity of 6. So it would make sense.
Raiders with capacities of 11 would also help a lot.
The problem DE have with HQ comes mainly from their bad rules, but having no way to transport them with other units doesn't help at all.

blaktoof wrote:
Some codexes have had rules for models that don't exist in 8th. Thousand sons twrminator sorcerwr- listed as a conversion in the modeling section...

You mean a Sorcerer in Terminator Armour? No, that exists.

 Accolade wrote:
Last time around (index time) Trueborn and Bloodbrides were listed as upgrades to their respective Kabalites and Wyches. Has that changed?

Bloodbrides were laughably bad at their job considering the fluff - decades of arena combat made them as skilled as............... your average poet turned craftworld guardian.....

Maybe they have rolled Brides and Wyches into one unit

New info

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/26/codex-drukhai-preview-assembling-your-raiding-party/

So, I hope there won't be detachment limits in tournaments in the future. That might screw with the Drukhari.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/26/codex-drukhai-preview-assembling-your-raiding-party/

Ninja'd!

So we can use that stratagem repeatedly, right?

Thats pretty cool - multiple Warlords. Will certainly be FAQ'd to be useable only once per battle.

That Patrol rule looks sweet at the 3 mark, where it requires only 1 additional HQ than a Brigade to get you 1 more command point.

I don't know if I'd ever go for the 6 mark, because Dark Eldar HQs just...arent spammable in any sense of the word. They're bar none the most awkward HQs to try and get benefits out of in the game - no mobility options, no ability to fit into transports, no good auras you want more than one of, and no good gear to make them operate independently.

But as a guy who owns and frequently fields 1 Haemonculus, 1 unit of Wracks, 1 Archon, 1 unit of Kabalites, 1 Succubus and 1 unit of Wyches in his army...two severed thumbs up!

 Eldarsif wrote:
New info

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/26/codex-drukhai-preview-assembling-your-raiding-party/

So, I hope there won't be detachment limits in tournaments in the future. That might screw with the Drukhari.

There has been since day one?

For those who didn't want to click the link:

So a base 3 Patrol would get you 7CPs - that's not too bad.

Raiding force sucks for tournament play, and will likely be ignored in favour of the standard 2 brigade +something else. It's fun for us casuals though.
Hopefully our HQ's get a buff to make it worthwhile.

 Eldarsif wrote:
New info

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/26/codex-drukhai-preview-assembling-your-raiding-party/

So, I hope there won't be detachment limits in tournaments in the future. That might screw with the Drukhari.

Three Patrols allows 6 HQ, 9 Troops, 6 Elites, 6 Fast Attack, 6 Heavy Support, 6 Flyers and up to 45 Transports if you max all that. That seems like plenty for 1500-2000 points. It's not like Dark Eldar have any Lords of War that will get left out.

Just means you lose out their special bonus if you want to soup in Ynnari.

Leggy wrote:
Raiding force sucks for tournament play, and will likely be ignored in favour of the standard 2 brigade +something else. It's fun for us casuals though.
Hopefully our HQ's get a buff to make it worthwhile.

I doubt they will leave HQs untouched as they have been a focal point of a lot of Drukhari complaint.

 Mr Morden wrote:
So a base 3 Patrol would get you 7CPs - that's not too bad.

The main issue I see is that matched play only allows for 3 detachments. Meaning in order to utilize that rule, your entire army needs to be from those 3 patrols and it's literally impossible to take the 6 patrol combo in matched play. Maybe they will clarify or FAQ DE to be the exception to the minimum, but right now that kind of sucks.

The problem of this is the ETC rules of not duplicated detachments, a rule that I hate but most of the local tournaments here, even in differen FLGS, have that same rule.

Maybe they could add an exception to patrol detachments.

 Asmodai wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
New info

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/26/codex-drukhai-preview-assembling-your-raiding-party/

So, I hope there won't be detachment limits in tournaments in the future. That might screw with the Drukhari.

Three Patrols allows 6 HQ, 9 Troops, 6 Elites, 6 Fast Attack, 6 Heavy Support, 6 Flyers and up to 45 Transports if you max all that. That seems like plenty for 1500-2000 points. It's not like Dark Eldar have any Lords of War that will get left out.

Just means you lose out their special bonus if you want to soup in Ynnari.

Sure, but then you could take a brigade more easily from any other faction and get more CP's... IDK, will need more time to settle on that one.

 Galas wrote:
The problem of this is the ETC rules of not duplicated detachments, a rule that I hate but most of the local tournaments here, even in differen FLGS, have that same rule.
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And that's a problem with these ETC/ITC house-rules.